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Hi there.
I finally managed to force myself to take a saliva test. These are my results:
Progesterone 111.00
Ratio of Pg/E2 42.00
Testosterone 87.00
DHEA 958
Cortisol Morning 6.00
Cortisol Noon 2.42
Cortisol Evening 0.86
Cortisol Night 1.00
My Dr said because of the levels of testosterone, I most likely have PCOS but I don't have any symptoms of it so that confuses me.
He told me I need to start adrenal supplements twice daily and take a progesterone topical cream along with a metabolic support drink. I'm just so terrified this may not be right for me and I think he's an excellent doctor but just wanted the opinions of others.
I feel dead all of the time and I work so it's hard on my body and when I get home, I just lay in bed and can barely get out. On days off, I don't even have a social life anymore and just stay in bed as I can barely move a foot. I also wake up every 30 minutes at night and have had insomnia so for the past 2 years. Not only that but I have gained 35 pounds. No one in my family believes adrenal fatigue exists, they tell me to go to a real doctor primary doctor and they say I should just exercise and stop being a hypochondriac. I feel I have good intuition and if I keep on going in this path, I expect to die in the next few years. I am thinking of going on disability because I have no energy at all and I am done forcing myself to work. No one at work seems to believe me and one of my coworkers said I need to get myself together and stop being depressed because I cried twice at work. I never in my life ever cried in public before as far as I can remember. There's just too much imbalances and pain in my life, I can't help it. I wasn't depressed before this happened, I wasn't even depressed until about a year ago.
I don't know what to do and I hope my dr has me on a good road to recovery. I know it's going to be a hellish road but I will try my best to stick to it. If anyone can give me any input, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thank you so much and best wishes to all of you
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This is a reply to # 2,163,486All the information to get started on a road to recovery is on this forum.
I suggest consulting with either Dr Neville at Clymer Healing Centre, or Dr Lam, there are pros and cons of both, self navigating at the stage you are in will be futile and could make you worse, many of us have learnt through our own experience!
Also, some good books to read
Chronic Fatigue Unmasked - Dr Poesnecker
Adrenal Fatigue ' 21st Century Stress Syndrome - Dr Wilson
Adrenal Fatigue - Dr Lam
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - Dr Myhill
Also for diet look at the Schwazbien Principal, Dr Lam and Dr Wilson also recommend there own variants off it. Stay off the Sugar and keep the carbs down to rest your system. You will also get an email quite shortly off a person who is banned from this forum, recommending a vegan 80/10/10 diet and asking about your calorie intake - this is the worse thing you can do. Look up on this forum using the search engine for further reading on this.
You will also possibly get a comment or an email about high dosing vitamin C with a load of jargon that isnt relevant to those with AF. Be weary of this advice, megadosing has its pro's but when very unstable with severe AF it can be extremely problematic, especially if the dosage is not catered for your bodys condition, tolerance and clearance.
There is some good starting points, its a long journey and you have to dedicate your life to it, but it wont be forever. The search engine on here is a valuable asset! Some good posters to have a look at ,Feo66, Sherpa, AdrenalSuccess, Nounicorns...
you will have lots of questions, so once youve educated yourself on the condition, the questions will be less and more directed, and lots of experienced folk on here will help out.
Good Luck to you!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,163,489Thanks wired, just added your comment to my favourites list! Right on the money!
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This is a reply to # 2,163,486Pay attention to the first post as it is very very helpful. I have just read one of the recommended books and it is great. Too bad it´s supplement plan did not help my sleep one bit which is what I and you lovelynight assume you need most... - Re: Test results came back terrible,... shotsee
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This is a reply to # 2,163,486Hi Lovely,
You may be interested in taking an OVERALL approach to your health situation. If so, the following may be of interest:
As "grist for YOUR mill," are you aware of the almost miraculous results many tens (hundreds?) of THOUSANDS of people have experienced, dealing with MOST of the physical health issues known to humankind, from ingesting the universally powerful ANTIOXIDANT, ascorbic acid?
If you are seriously interested in finding a solution to your health problem(s), and gaining better health in ALL areas of your body, I encourage you to read [at least the first ten paragraphs of] this article, written by Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D.
http://vitamincfoundation.org/www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm
It may just solve some or all of your health issue(s). You have only better health and well-being to gain by applying its recommendation. What have you got to lose?
These three quotes are very instructive:
"There are more than ten thousand scientific papers that make it quite clear that there is not one body process (such as what goes on inside cells or tissues) and not one disease or syndrome (from the common cold to leprosy) that is not influenced - directly or indirectly - by vitamin C." -- Dr. Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D., Dr. Marshall Ringsdorf, D.M.D., and Dr. Emily Sisley, THE VITAMIN C CONNECTION.
"The evidence unequivocally shows that mega-gram doses of vitamin C can prevent and cure a vast list of conditions that plague mankind. It is both inexpensive and completely safe. My conclusion: vitamin C is THE 'Primal Panacea.'" -- Dr. Thomas E. Levy, M.D.
“I have NEVER seen a patient that Vitamin C would not benefit.” -- Dr. Frederick Klenner, M.D.
I wish you BEST success, Lovely, in your search for better health!
Sincerely,
David
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This is a reply to # 2,163,585There are dangers to Megadosing Vitamin C when in Adrenal Fatigue, so be very careful on the advice from those that do not understand the condition like the above - Dr Lam uses this protocol, it has harmed some AF'ers (which you will find on here the ones who where harmed by Dr Lams Megadosing), but he had also helped others.
Key is dosage up take at a very slow rate, never do the bowel clearance check. and take it very slow - we are talking 250mg increases once a week.- Re: Test results came back terrible,... shotsee
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This is a reply to # 2,163,595Hi Wired,
I dispute that ANYONE has EVER been "harmed" by ingesting vitamin C. Detoxified, yes [which, therefore, may need to be moderated], but "harmed" no.
These three quotes from Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D. speak volumes:
"After over 15 years of researching and personal observation, I can categorically say that high-dose vitamin C is a clinical miracle when compared to all of our modern drugs. Furthermore, volumes of studies exist that say it works. It's one of the SAFEST substances known to man -- we have yet to discover a toxic dose for vitamin C, a bit of a miracle in itself. Even when hundreds of grams have been administered within a few days, the only side effect is good health....Many of the diseases and conditions that vitamin C has been shown to cure remain "incurable" with conventional medications....The evidence unequivocally shows that mega-gram doses of vitamin C can prevent and cure a vast list of conditions that plague mankind. It is both inexpensive and completely safe. My conclusion: vitamin C is the "Primal Panacea."
"The three most important considerations in effective vitamin C therapy are "Dose, Dose, and Dose." If you don't take enough, you won't get the desired effects. Period!...you will rarely ever fail to observe a DRAMATIC response...IF you take a large enough dose for a long enough time."
"I am absolutely convinced of one thing -- when enough vitamin C is given...for a long enough time, vitamin C helps virtually every condition, resolves many of them, and prevents still others....Furthermore, I have never found a single article showing properly dosed and administered vitamin C to fail to improve the status of a toxic or infected patient."
You are, of course, Wired, welcome to your opinion/viewpoint. At any rate, let each decide what approach they prefer [to try].
Respectfully,
David
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This is a reply to # 2,163,604As I have mentioned before , instead of trolling the Af forum, why not join in discussion and learn about people, the illness and the methods that people have used in the attempt tp get well? you might learn but also be able to help.
Many people have been harmed by megadosing vitamin C on Dr Lams protocol. I for one. I cannot tolerate even small amount of vitamin C anymore, and this common, for example Faith110 cannot either, nor can NYCKid. Healthyartist was also harmed by Lams megadosing.Very common with Af sufferers. It crashes us within an hour.
As I have personal experience with megadosing vitamin C when having severe AF, and have talked to others for years who have had the same problem on here, my i quite a lot of knowledge on the subject/illness.
Even Dr Lam writes in his work that severe AF cases cannot and should not take high dose vitamin C from the outset.
Please learn about the condition? itll only take a wee while to view old posts by people.
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This is a reply to # 2,163,610Hi Wired,
HOW were you "harmed," i.e. what DAMAGE did ingestion of vitamin C do to you [or others]? And HOW do you [or others] KNOW it was the vitamin C that did the [alleged] "harm?" And HOW is it you KNOW the vitamin C was not simply detoxifying you?
Your assertions/beliefs fly in the face of [virtually] all research and [a vast body of] experience, unless you consider your inability to ingest "even small amount[s] of vitamin C anymore" the "harm?"
People like to think their condition is unique, and so medical Science "humors" them [very profitably to medical science, I might add] by coming up with thousands upon thousands of different names for different symptoms, i.e. [so-called] "diseases." But the reality is as Dr. John Tilden, M.D., wrote, "Normal persons are deadly to ALL germs and parasites peculiar to the human habitat." In other words, the BODY can and does heal ALL maladies IF given a chance.
From my study [of the matter], Wired, barring calorie restriction, the "free"/extra/alkalinizing/toxin neutralizing/anioxidizing ELECTRONS in ascorbate [IF one can ingest them in sufficient quantities (or get them intravenously)] is that [next] best "chance."
I cannot but quote Dr. Levy again:
"Electron flow: Whether electrons are taken away, or whether electrons are donated, is the final common denominator as to whether you make somebody better or worse."
"Electron flow supply > high flow = health; low flow = illness; no flow = death."
"ALL disease symptoms are induced by oxidants, i.e. electron depletion."
"ALL therapy is electron repletion. ALL therapy."
I understand you have formed your own [set] views about AF and ascorbate, Wired. Apparently this is not an approach you wish to pursue [to completion]. I am simply making this [typically] little known approach/knowledge available to any and all that may care to find out more about it and/or try it.
Best wishes,
David
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This is a reply to # 2,163,615I know you love the caps lock key but no need for shouting :)
Why not join in the dicussions on the Af forum, all your questions will be answered I have already answered your questions many times over my years on this forum.
a scenario...
When an AF sufferer could once take 10,000 of vitamin C, then started to become violently sick on the stuff, yet the physician continues to up the dose till the body literally gags as the substance enters ones mouth - that is harm by vitamin C, and it crashes them so hard, their adrenals become atrophied by all the stimulation, that it took over a year to stabilise, and can now not tolerate vitamin C. That is harm.
I dont think you have full understanding of the physiological aspects of AF, its a complicated condition, i dont think any of us know fully, but what we lack in knowledge we make up for in experience!. Dr Lams site is great to learn about the condition if you wanted too..
Anyhow enough said now, the OP dosent need to be battered with information!
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This is a reply to # 2,163,616My apologies [for the caps], Wired. I would prefer to use an underscore, but it does not seem to be available on CureZone.
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Hi Wired,
I have no questions about AF, any more than I have questions about any other health malady. All health maladies [genetic deformities excepted] are caused, either directly or indirectly, by cell oxidation [of course, assuming adequate nutrition]. Therefore it is simply [as in uncomplicated, not as in easy] a matter of getting those antioxidants into the body in sufficient quantity in order to allow the body to heal itself. The name of the disease/malady/symptom is unimportant.
We humans like to think we are special, and so whatever malady/symptom we happen to be manifesting must be "special" also. It has been a very profitable undertaking for big pharma/business and big medicine to cater to that feeling [in people] by coming up with an ever increasing list of [disease] names for those symptoms. But true science and history have shown that a healthy body can always heal/rid itself of any and all toxins/germs/parasites, etc., etc., etc., and/or [virtually] anything else that might try to harm our health. To quote Dr. John Tilden, M.D., again, "Normal persons are deadly to all germs and parasites peculiar to the human habitat."
The correct approach, Wired, is not to quit completely ingesting the ascorbate, but simply to back off to a dose one can tolerate. The scenario you wrote can be nothing more than an overly aggressive detoxification, i.e. a too rapid detoxification, e.g. once the cleansing/healing progressed to a deeper level/stage, the detoxification needed to be moderated in order to not be too severe. In healing/detoxification, that can often be an ever changing scenario. And yes [since you spoke about "harm"], a person can indeed die from too agressive a cleansing/detoxification.
I get the impression you have been unsuccessful in completely curing/resolving your AF, and it is also understandable to me why you have ruled out ascorbate as the solution. But I believe you have made a tragic mistake/error in ruling out this most useful of all antioxidants as the answer. I suspect you disagree with me in this conclusion, and that is most certainly your prerogative. I simply wish to make this information available to those who might be open to it.
Best wishes,
David
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This is a reply to # 2,163,486Your post has launched an avalanche of good advice here. I have taken vitamins/minerals and supplements for over 50 and do not have had any health issues or a doctor. Our immune system is capable of preventing or curing almost all ills, IF SUPPORTED with vitamins/minerals, supplements, exercise and a healthy Diet devoid of toxic foods. Refined sugars, oils, processed foods, junk food soft drinks, pharmaceutical drugs tobacco, alcohol and more. All are toxic to our immune system.
Do not expect an overnight cure. Persistence and perseverance are the keys to a life time of good health. In time, all your health issues will fall away. Do you know anyone over 80 who has cleared 30 acres of sage brush and forest and still going. See my other posts for specifics. …dez... - Re: Test results came back terrible,... purplepixie
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This is a reply to # 2,163,486If you give the reference ranges for the lab you used it'll help us better see where your results fall in their given ranges.
Unfortunately, labs have different reference ranges and units of measuring hormones.
All doctors will diagnose PCOS in ANY woman with high testosterone - yet it's not the only etiology that presents with high T levels so keep an open-mind on that diagnosis.
Most women with PCOS have high T and E2 levels - aswell as a plethora of other symptoms, menstrual oddities too - so if you elaborate on your cycle symptoms that'll help with indicating PCOS as a true cause of your hormonal imbalances.
Because PCOS causes ovary mayhem - the adrenals and thyroid become imbalanced too.
Same goes for the scenario of adrenal dysfunction as the primary problem - will cause ovary and thyroid dysregulation.
The 3 glands work in 'tandem' with each other - regulating each other...so if one becomes problematic for *whatever* reason - all 3 eventually become imbalanced in their function.
Regarding vitamin C - i cannot tolerate large doses above 1500mg in a day - VITAMIN C LOWERS CORTISOL - So if a person has 'late-stage LOW cortisol AF' - taking vitamin C in large doses can be problematic potentially lowering cortisol levels further.
Symptoms i experienced due to the above scenario was extreme fatigue, sleeping 16 hrs, dizziness, inability to walk in unaided, lack of appetite, severe weakness, stomach pains and brain-fog.
When i stopped the 5g vitamin C i was taking i recovered in a couple of days from the symptoms.
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