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Pawnzo
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I used to fast a lot more in the past, its been a long time since I've fasted consistently. My fasts would typically be a juice fast (for 5-11 days) or a 3-4 day Water Fast or a coffee+tea+water fast for 5-6 days.
Right now I'm on day 18 of a fast(not entirely water) and I'm not sure how healthy or effective anything I am doing is. Probably total days of water only would be about 8 in this fast so far, the rest has been either a combination of random sugary drinks, or water + coffee/tea.
The way I am doing things at the moment is: Monday water/coffee/tea, Tuesday - Friday water only, sat/sun juice/tea/random sugary drinks. (I work and deal w/ customers w/ a light amount of lifting and which is what makes Water Fasts exclusively very difficult)
I have never fasted longer than 11 days in the past and I was a lot skinnier then so it was a little easier to listen to my body. Now that I'm on day 18, I feel like how I'm handling my fast is inefficient and maybe down right ineffective for detox and getting that "clear headed" feeling I used to get after 7 days. Any tips?
Secondly, I have never had this problem before. After about 10 days, I am getting extraordinarily thirsty. On an average I'm drinking 3-4 liters of water a day (on the WF days) and the next morning I still feel dry mouth and there is heavy color in my urine. I almost feel as if my body isn't absorbing water? is this normal?
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... hopinso
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This is a reply to # 2,037,092It sounds like a juice fast would be best for you. Since you being strong , active and clear headed is essential , Water Fasting is not a good idea. With juice fasting the veggie juices will give you strength and endurance , and fruit juice will provide energy. Avoid caffine and sugary drinks, at most limit yourself to one cup of green tea a day. Sweeten with fresh squeezed orange or apple juice if you need sweetened tea. If you want to incorporate water fasting, do it on your days off and rest.
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... archus
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,037,092pawnzo,
What you are doing is called starvation, IMO. It would be good for your mind and body to be on juice fast or water only fast. Roller coaster of fasting especially with sugary drink and coffee/tea is not a good thing.
You probably have read about Ketosis. There are many messages here on this forum that will help you with that.
Archus- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,037,228Why would you consider it starvation?
What is bad about coffee and tea on a water fast? And I didn't realize that bouncing between fasts was that bad. I thought it was a comfortable in between of the goofiness of the master cleanse, a typical juice fast, a Water Fast and office work.
If I stuck with one would that make me less thirsty? And I've read up little in ketosis, ill read more, I don't see how coffee or tea prohibits that. I'll begin reading more- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... inthemoment
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This is a reply to # 2,037,407About ketosis:
The first 2-3 days of Water Fasting your body burns mostly your muscle and little fat. When it goes through ketosis after the first 3 days it switches and burns mostly fat instead of muscle. But if you consume any amount of calories even in plain coffee you stop ketosis from happening. So you would be losing a lot of muscle mass instead of fat, it could make you skinny fat. Also coffee and fasting is bad for your heart.- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,037,441That is very interesting actually. I always figured the 2 calories or so in coffee would be negligible as far as ketosis is concerned.
So is that to say that people on a juice fast/master cleanse, as they're drinking calories will never ever hit ketosis and primarily be eating away at their muscle?
and is the constant thirst thing normal (which actually has kind of gone away in the past few days)- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... hopinso
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This is a reply to # 2,037,473the body does not start feeding on muscle immediately . The liver stores fuel for the body in the form of glycogen, there is normally a 48-72 hour supply. When the supply is exhausted the body starts breaking down fatty tissue and uses ketones for its primary fuel. Muscle wasting is usually minimal as long as there is body fat to convert. True Water Fasting brings the body into ketosis fastest. True Water Fasting is water plus NOTHING, no juice, coffee, tea , sweet drinks, gum, mints, nothing but water. With juice fasting or Master Cleanse you need to consume just enough carbs to stay out of ketosis so muscle wasting will not begin. You can buy Ketosticks to measure ketones in your urine.
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,037,477I still dont understand then the limited amount of calories in black decaf coffee or herbal tea will impact ketosis, i'll get some strips today (hoping cvs or walgreens or something sells them) and do some tests to see if herbal tea stops ketosis
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... inthemoment
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This is a reply to # 2,037,555from what I've read, you will lose some fat but more muscle mass than if you just did water only. it also will slow down your metabolism for 4 to 6 weeks after fasting, so you have to eat really carefully afterwards for a long time or the weight will just come right back quickly.
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... hopinso
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 2,037,407Anything consumed on a water-only-fast such as coffee or tea will allow meager nourishment of sorts, but the body will not conserve its nutrient reserves (vitamins/minerals/electrolytes and others) as well, as on water only: this is what archus meant by starvation, but could be more accurately described as eventual "malnutrition", and well before our fat reserves have been depleted. Shelton described this as "lop-sided feeding".
It is well known for example that a calorie-restricted diet deficient in Vitamin C, will lead to the deficiency-disease of scurvy, but on a water-only-fast this does not occur.
Full ketosis is only achieved on water-only, but partial ketosis is achieved when we consume a calorie-restricted reducing diet: this is how we lose weight on a restricted diet because of fat-burning for fuel.
I agree totally with the posts by Hopinso in this thread. Words of wisdom as always.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,037,872I want to thank everybody for helping me out thus far. I went through a lot of starving i guess, no scurvy yet so thats good. May have burnt a lot of muscle, which i don't think is that big of a deal.
Anyways, Since I originally read the first post I have switched to a water only fast, and things are feeling pretty much the same.
I was considering dry fasting, but I remember I tried dry fasting a few years ago and after about 3 days I thought my tongue was going to crack.
I was reading a lot on the dry fasting forum, and now I even have more questions when it comes to water fasting, like what type of water should I drink? How much should I drink? I'm going to try to end my fast w/...25 day water fast?
Any Water Fasting enthusiasts here ever rotate in a dry fast before the end?- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,038,097"- squeezing fresh lemon or lime juice into the water
- adding an alkalizing, pH boosting supplement to the water such as Alkalive pH Booster"
would squeezing lemon into my water be against the whole Water Fasting thing even if it is just to alkalize the water? the more research i do the scarier it gets, distilled water bad, purified water bad, putting anything in my water is bad..
ahhhh!!!!!!!!!
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... inthemoment
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... RONBN49
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This is a reply to # 2,037,092Never heard of a fast that used caffeine and sugar. seems counter productive to me. Why fast to cleanse and put junk into the body at the same time? Are you insane?
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,038,108The general idea was that the junk that i was putting in was less than the amount of junk one would normally put in, with a fast should overall still have positive effects.
Also, gives you a lot more energy to fast and drink sugar/caffeine as opposed to eating + Sugar + caffeine? *shrug*
and I figured that caffeine would be fine because it is far below the limit of how many carbs would release insulin.
hell even fasting and drinking alcohol makes u feel better than food and alcohol- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... RONBN49
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This is a reply to # 2,038,177If it was me I would do the juice fast instead of a caffeine and Sugar water fast. That's crazy especially when you consider the damage Sugar and caffeine do to the body. Well it's your body, so far be it from me to critic what you do with it.
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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This is a reply to # 2,038,183;p
I already switched to a water fast, think this is ugh day 5 or something iono i dont really keep count
I was trying to get the best of juice/master/water fast all in one mix.
I read somewhere where if you start feeling lightheaded, add a lot more fruit to your juices. I saw that as a carbs, so i figured carbs are are carbs and sugars are sugars. I don't really see the difference, but in the end too much to research and worry about, so i guess i'll finish off the rest w/ water cause its easier
- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... RONBN49
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... Pawnzo
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- Re: Alternating juice/water/water+ca... hopinso
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