What you are trying to say is that the HPA axis has been knocked out and needs to be restored before healing can occur.

This is why people get CFS, Adrenal fatigue, heavy metal poisoning and all sort of other things.

Your brain regulates your immune system , body defense against toxins and well practically everything.

Ways to restore the HPA axis include:

*Meditation

* Neurofeedback (In particular Alpha/Theta training)

* Trauma release exercises (TRE)

* Funneling ozone into the brain

* Therapy

* Antidepressants if the individual is not sensitive to them

* Gupta retraining program

* Yoga and breathing exercises

* Reiki

* Pellowah

And probably others I don't know about. There are many ways to skin a cat as they say.

I am getting excellent results with the Alpha/Theta training using the Neurofedback machine I own.

I absolutely agree. I have been through a series of major stress events in my life and I know they have contributed.

I honestly believe there needs to be a combination of mental/emotional retraining as well as physical treatment. When your mind is overrun with stress/anxiety/ Depression it actually triggers a release of the calming minerals, which is natural. And in the short term these are easily replenished. But if we continue in fight or flight mode our body cannot keep up with the demand so that even if we have removed the stress and have retrained our brains we often still need supplementation because the body has just been too depleted.Otherwise the vicious cycle continues. Negative emotions lead to release of calming minerals, which in turn, promotes further anxiety and negative emotion.

Well your right, healing requires the discovery and addressing of underlyind emotional trauma. But, the body has some positive feedback loops that cause stress to feed into more stress.

Initial stress in the mind can create conditions in the body that make stress in the mind to happen more frequently.

Oversimplified example: Stress causes one's metabolism to speed up - thereby the body uses up its energy stores quickly and dumps calcium, magnesium and zinc - all of which are needed to relax again. For most ppl the stress goes away, they eat some nutritional food, and rebuild their reserves. However, for some, if the stress is chronic the stores of certain vitamins and minerals can become so depleted the body literally does not have the building blocks needed to function well. The mind is likely at the root, but the body might need a boost to get itself back on track and out of the self reinforcing feedback loops.

Sorry, I have to disagree. There are people like myself, Onwards, and Anatomydoll who have had to deal with nasty chronic infections and autoimmune issues like lyme, h pylori, parasites, herpes, hpv, celiac...and the list goes on. No amount of meditation is going to get rid of these nasty bugs, and no amount of meditation is going to work if one continues to eat a nutrient deficient diet. Not to say that dealing with the mental component is not important, but like Seattle said, it is merely a piece of a whole puzzle.

I spent years ignoring my infections and "thinking myself well". I did yoga, went to reiki circles, meditation retreats, and counseling. Yes, it has done my mental state a world of good (especially on the days when I was in so much pain I just wanted someone to shoot me), but I didn't start seeing real progress until I started addressing my nutrient deficiencies, and clearing out some of the bugs.

I hate medication and always have. I never took synthetic pills. I think I had Antibiotics maybe twice in my life (except of course the ones they slip into our conventional meat supply without us knowing). Never took birth control. Lived as an 80% raw vegan for many years. I still hate supplements and take the minimum amount, but sometimes they are necessary. Being on the right diet is absolutely imperative to healing.

The body naturally goes into fight or flight because it is the natural response to threat. Then we ask, what is that threat? Yes, mental issues and negative thought patterns do activate the sympathetic system, but so do those silent invaders.

I had an awesome childhood, and lived life to the fullest as an adult. I can count more happy times in my life than sad ones. Marie64 is another example of someone who's AF came from a silent invader- mercury poisoning.

So Craig, I believe that you need to understand that everyone is different, and you should not downgrade an approach that has seemingly worked so well for many. It's insulting to listen to you say that "it's all in our heads", parroting the words that many of us have heard doctor after doctor say. Don't assume that everyone's case is the same as yours.

Believe me, I wish I could meditate my lyme away but it just doesn't work that way. Not in the real world anyway. I keep a positive attitude, two feet on the ground, and I take care of myself with a good diet and mineral replacement program.

The new people are here for support and some guidance. We are all here stumbling along and trying to lend a helping hand to others. Bullying your way through with your opinions makes you no better than Natway telling people to go eat 30 bananas a day.

Craig, I don't post much these days, but I read a book just 3 months ago called 'Be in Health...' by Henry Wright (which you can find on Amazon and it's testimonials). It's a book that lists most of all the common diseases and disorders, and then states what is at the root of the problem. The root is most always psychological/spiritual.

I found that his medical diagnosis and understanding of AF and how emotions affect our physical to be profound and groundbreaking. I had never read anything like this in any book or material. It was highly accurate for me and it helped convince me completely of the true origin of my illness and helped me to know exactly what and how to target this illness. I don't feel like I am swimming around in a big ocean anymore.

AF is mentioned as MCS/EI/CFS in the book. In very short explanation he explains it as a severe & complex anxiety disorder with contributing factors or emotions of a broken heart,fear,guilt,insecurity/abandonment and mistrust.

The book goes into further detail into explaining how one can be healed.



Take care