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longterm
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Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,011,895The cure was not really the vermilionectomy. The cure was the injections. I just posted a link since some might have a chronic infection in the minor salivary glands. I can see how the injection might help since it has some Antibiotic mixed with hydrocortisone ointment.
The 1971 article about the vermilionectomy was short, and the type was hard to read. I just posted the summary, which was basically the whole article. It did not mention the outcome of the patients who had the surgery. I did not post it to recommend the surgery, but to list a possible problem causing EC like chronic infection in the minor salivary glands. The article did not explain the cause of the chronic infection or more details.
I suppose a dentist/oral surgeon can find out if one has enlarged minor salivary glands or an infection in them. I do not know if anyone had a biopsy of the minor salivary glands.
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- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
12 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,011,925Here is a link to possible causes of salivary gland infections. Interestingly, it states "Acute salivary gland infections rarely affect the minor salivary glands or sublingual glands. The acute conditions more typically involve the parotid and submandibular glands." Perhaps dentists are not as familiar with the swollen, crusted lip symptom since infections are more rare in the minor salivary glands.
http://www.advancedotolaryngology.com/Pages/PatientServices/1060.html
The minor salivary glands lie just below the mucous membrane lining.
Since I developed this while I was on antihistamines for allergies, it is possible it caused an infection in my salivary glands (if I have an infection). Or viruses could be the cause as well.
"One of the most common settings for acute bacterial salivary gland infection to occur is in the dehydrated individual. This can result from simple dehydration but is most frequently seen as a result of medical therapy with diuretics and certain antidepressants and antihistamines that decrease saliva flow rates as a side effect."
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- Amylase! longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,011,925The elevated amylase blood test results I had might be connected to EC- if it is a salivary gland infection. I also have thickened saliva- another sign.
"As the gland is damaged by the infection, there is release of salivary gland amylase (which helps to break down starches) into the bloodstream, and therefore, there is often an increase in blood amylase levels."
The link is in the last post about the causes of salivary gland infections.
"Examination and culturing of the saliva emanating from the gland- In a viral infectious process it is typically clear, and in bacterial infections it is usually more yellow.
For the patient with a chronic bacterial infection, low-dose radiation may be useful to destroy the involved salivary tissue."
- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
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- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip JayeJaye
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- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip lipshitz
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,011,895Welcome, and thanks for sharing your experience. Where are you from? How long did you do the ionized nano silver treatment? Did you try anything else you didn't list? Were you ever tested for allergies or deficiencies?
I'm truly sorry to hear you've suffered three times as long as I have. Consider me an ally in your search, and if you're interested, I've compiled most of the research I've found on a group wiki page.
For journal articles: http://peelinglips.wikispaces.com/Medical+Literature
And to evaluate all claims of being cured: http://peelinglips.wikispaces.com/Success+Stories
Onward,
C.S.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
12 y
5,003
This is a reply to # 2,012,004Thank you for welcoming me JayeJaye & lipshitz. :-)
I tell you lipshitz, we should all consider ourselves as allies against this horrible condition. Like I said before, I wouldn't wish this thing on my worst enemy (if I had one).
I'm from New York. I tried the ionized nano silver treatment for only a few months before stopping it. I really hate products that have petrolatum in them because I can truly see that it makes my condition worse. Petrolatum makes the skin on my lips turn a slimy white and then I can detect a strange odor under my nose.
I am just using a mixture of Calendula extract (liquid form) & Jojoba oil as an ointment for my lips right now. This mixture I came up with actually eliminates the inflammation of the crusty skin on my lips. Lots of water does come in contact with them after I brush my teeth or shower so, they get white, soggy & swell up. After I let them air dry for a few minutes the crusty skin still looks swollen.
I then apply my ointment mixture with a dropper and smear it all over my lips with the dropper. I can tell you that almost within seconds, the inflammation of the skin of my lips is eliminated and the crusty skin looks "in-line" with the skin around it. The ointment is somehow absorbed by my lips because the glossy-ness of it goes away within a few minutes. The ointment actually leaves my lips looking somewhat close to normal from a distance, but you'd be able to see a definite problem up close.
I noticed some white spots appearing on my upper lip after I put on my ointment. They kind of resemble Fordyce's spots but are much smaller. Could these be those enlarged minor salivary glands that longterm wrote about? Maybe my ointment is triggering them? Maybe they need something to trigger them so that they can detoxify themselves?
The Hyland's Calendula ointment felt good on my lips but I feel that the petrolatum ingredient in it practically kills any kind of benefit I might have been getting from the Calendula in it. The whole crusty part of skin on my lower lip peeled completely within about 4 - 5 days after using it. I was in the shower and I felt the crusty skin get puffy, soggy and then just slide off with the water running down my face. This was after about a good 15 - 20 minutes in the shower. The skin underneath after the peel was very raw.
Calendula is noted more for its anti-inflammatory properties than anything else so, it makes sense that a pure liquid form of it eliminates the inflammation of my lips.
I tell you though, I wish I would have been able to have access to this Hyland's Calendula ointment before I developed EC because I have to admit that it feels fantastic on my lips. I would have much rather used it than Blistex or anything else. I just wish that Hyland would remove the petrolatum ingredient & maybe even the lanolin from it. I wish they'd mix it in some type of bees wax, shea butter or solidified jojoba oil just to keep it 100% all natural. If it were me, I'd even throw in a touch of tea tree oil as well for its antiseptic and antifungal activity. In its current form, the Hyland's ointment spreads a lot. A little bit goes a damn long way on my lips so, I had to apply just a touch of it with a Q-tip.
For those of you that want an "ingredient breakdown" of the mix I'm experimenting with it is: (Liquid Calendula) - from a company called Nature's Answer, contains - Calendula flower extract (1:1) 2,000 mg, purified water, vegetable glycerin, 12-15% certified organic alcohol. Company claims that this mix is "bio-chelated" with a cold extraction process. I then mix that with liquid jojoba oil from the Vitamin Shoppe.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,286Hey longterm, on page 1 in the article (you posted a link to) it reads, "topical applications of 1% hydrocortisone-
neomycin." So I think it is safe to assume that the topical solution used was 1% of both agents. Neomycin is an Antibiotic so, that proves that EC is some type of deep tissue infection. Hence the "rare" cases of it occurring in the general population. However, the people in the article described this as occurring due to their overexposure to the sun, there was no claim of them picking or biting their lips.
The thing I don't understand is that if this IS some type of deep infection then, why don't boxers, other fighters, skaters (whose lips get split open at times) develop this condition? With their lips split open there would be enough chance for bacteria to enter and cause this.
Longterm, are you going to try these injections with your doctor? I had 6 injections of corticosteriods from a dermatologist years ago and they didn't help. All they did was just hurt like all hell as no type of anesthesia was applied.
Thank you for the links lipshitz. I actually found one of them on my own (before you mentioned them) through my Internet searching.
JayeJaye, yes, I have seen Daniel Miller's website. My lips looked EXACTLY like his in the beginning stages of my EC. My condition seems to have dwindled down a bit somehow and no longer gets to that extreme.
I would gladly go through the hellish pain of lip injections with no anesthesia again if it meant that it'd completely cure my EC so that I could have my normal life back. :-(- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,301I want to reiterate that when I used Neosporin on my lips (from when I thought of this condition as an open wound) a while ago it made a pretty big difference. Why I stopped using it? Neosporin's main ingredients are in a petroleum jelly base.
I honestly don't think that I have an allergic reaction to petrolatum as I occasionally used petrolatum based lip balms before I had EC with good results. I just think that it isn't a compound that should be used when someone has a condition like EC.
I think that EC is caused by some type of yeast imbalance in the mouth. I say this because one of my biopsies came back showing excessive yeast. I feel that when enough yeast bacteria is introduced under the protective layer of the lips it just manifests and grows at an uncontrollable rate. It then over populates the other bacterias that keep it in check because yeast needs to be present in a healthy mouth. Maybe the injections help to restore that bacterial balance, therefore eliminating the condition as a result. Maybe the yeast doesn't have to get under the skin at all. Some people claim to have gotten EC while on medications so, maybe it can be said that EC is an overpopulation of yeast (or other bacteria) in the mouth.
Some of my theories:
Why don't topical anti-fungal creams work? They don't get deep enough within the skin of the lips.
Why don't anti-fungal pills work? Their overall effective strength diminishes by the time they reach the lips. And this is IF they reach the lips at all given if EC reduces adequate blood flow to the lips.
Sorry for the random posts but, I just can't stand the feeling of my lips not being normal. I hate it when they're crusty, raw, or slimy and I really don't want to take this condition to my grave. I at least want to see & feel my lips as completely normal again before then.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,306lbinns,
Since the doctors did not know the cause of EC, they wrote case history including what the patients had in common is that they worked outside. But it is not uncommon to work outside in El Salvador. When I had a mole removed, the doctor asked me if I spent lots of time in the sun. Many people do, but I do not. So, the biopsy report read that patient denied sun exposure, but sun exposure was detected in mole. I guess I had more sun exposure as a child than I do now.
I just want to clarify that the patients did not receive hydrocortisone injections. They only received hyaluronidase injections, which were used to help hydrocortisone ointment and 1% neomycin absorb better. Having the ointment custom made so it only contains neomycin instead of extra ingredients Neosporin has makes a difference, too.
Someone replied that a dermatologist said the hyaluronidase turns off fibroblasts. I believe fibroblasts are causing the inflammation in my lips. I would prefer to only have hyaluronidase injections without use of ointment for a month.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,358I don't know longterm, to ensure a higher success rate, wouldn't it make more sense to just do the treatment as stated in the article? What if EC is a deep tissue infection? Turning off all fibroblasts wouldn't matter then.
- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
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- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip JK216
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,408ibinns. if you think this is an infection why don't you get a biopsy. i got a deep tissue biopsy so that even if it was deep in the lip it would be detected. but based on most peoples results from their biopsys and use of antifungals and antibacterials i do not think this is an infection for most. if it was I think it would be much easier to diagnose. infection is usually one of the first things people try and i have yet to hear someone who is diagnosed with an infection causing this. most just have secondary infection. but that doesn't mean it won't work for some. but it's easy to test for and try to treat.
- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,014,436Hey JK216,
I had two biopsies done before. I had one when my EC was really, REALLY bad and it came back showing nothing. The second one showed excessive yeast. I honestly don't want to do another biopsy because to be honest with you, two painful scars on my lower lip from the previous biopsies is good enough for me.
I feel that longterm is really on to something in regards to the minor salivary glands being infected.
I made an appointment with a dermatologist for this Wednesday. I am going to show him the article that longterm posted. I'm also bringing with me an extensive list of all the garbage medications and creams I've been prescribed by other doctors over the course of me having EC for 18 years that did not do anything but embarrass me. I hope the dermatologist really hears me out and considers the information I'm going to bring him as doctors don't seem to like it when patients know more about a condition than they do. Worst case scenario would be for me to take a medical leave from my job & book a flight to El Salvador for a month to seek treatment at the hospital where the article longterm posted was published. Yes, I'm THAT desperate to get totally rid of this.
I honestly don't know why I decided to start letting skin overgrow on my lips again. I was doing okay with me just shedding whatever growth of skin was on my lips in the morning. But, I'm just tired of feeling phony and abnormal. My lips feel really sticky when they're raw and I hate the feeling.
I also notice the healthy grooves and skin pigment of the lips of other people and I really want to have that back. I just really want to look & feel normal again.
I will keep everyone posted on how my visit to the dermatologist goes. I truly hope that he doesn't prescribe some silly ointment for me again as I am convinced that no topical solution will work if it can't get beneath the surface of the lips.
I have to admit that I am seeing a difference with the mixture of jojoba oil & liquid Calendula I am using. Normal looking skin seems to be growing back at the very top of the upper lip and the base of the lower lip but, this new skin still gets white when exposed to water. It does appear to be a bit more resistant to whitening when exposed to water but, it still gets white after long periods of exposure. The mixture also exposes little white spots that resemble Fordyce's spots on my upper lip that I can't see when I don't have the mixture on them. Something is definitely going on someplace under the surface of the skin.
I will keep everyone posted. My EC has been so bad that I believe in the fact that if I get cured, everyone else that has EC will be cured also. I know that is a very bold statement to make but, I have had every single symptom of EC including a slight odor of decay under my nose. My EC has improved somewhat since then but, I'd say that it can still be classified as a severe case of EC.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
12 y
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This is a reply to # 2,014,729I just got back from the doctor and I was painfully reminded as to why I haven't gone back to one for a long time. First of all, the embarrassment of having a crusty lip is exacerbated when walking into a dermatologist's office that is run by a bunch of extremely cute girls. In short, it REALLY f***ing sucks.
Things got off at a good start as the doctor actually allowed me to speak first and tell him what was going on before making any suggestions. I gave him my long list of prior medications & treatments along with the article longterm posted a link to. He was really interested in the article and asked to keep it so as to use it as a reference later on.
The thing about most doctors is that they want to find the actual cause of things before trying any "published" treatments that have shown high success rates. He right away recommended a biopsy and the first thing I said in my mind was, "Oh f***, here comes another f***ing scar to add to my f***ing collection already." I'm so desperate to get rid of this shit that I just said the hell with it and got a biopsy done today. Well, it sure as hell was not pretty. The cute nurse assisting the doctor would glance over to him and I could read her mind actually say, "God, I can't believe you're actually doing this. I'm so glad that you're the doctor because I could never do this." She even gave me that "man, I feel for you" tap on my shoulder before the procedure started.
For numbing, the doctor injected: Lidocaine 1% in a solution of Bicarb (10%). Doctors seem to all have horrible handwriting so, this is what I could make out of what he wrote. A total of .3cc (once again, I think) was used.
When it was all said and done, my bottom lip was super swollen with no pigment at all. It was amazingly pale white. I got some stitches from the biopsy and was sent on my merry f***ing way.
The excruciating pain set in when the numbing agent was wearing off. I'm known not to take any pills/medications for minor things so, I'm going to let the pain go away on its own. The doctor told me that I could take Tylenol for the pain if it got too unbearable. The physical pain of this doesn't hurt me but, the emotional & mental distress I get from this is just too much to bare at times. I got hit with a baseball bat on the back of my neck when I was a little child and I cannot recall how that felt. However, I can recall exactly what it felt like when someone hurt my feelings, especially if the person that hurt my feelings was a female.
Getting back to today's event, I looked into a small mirror in the dermatologist's office after the biopsy and I looked like I just got hit with a big rock on my mouth. I didn't want to go out in the street looking like that so I asked the nurse if she had anything I could use to cover my mouth. She gave me a violet colored face mask that made me stick out like a damn sore thumb. People in the train gave me that confused & "WTF?!" look. I guess being stared at for having a face mask is better than getting stared out for having EC.
It seems like today's date of 12-12-12 sent a signal out to every damn fine girl to come out today. I have such a weakness for thick, full figured women and I was seeing just one after the other today.
But at just the thought of trying to talk to one of those girls looking as weird as I did left me just putting my head down. This condition just kills my confidence and I'm just dying to get rid of the shit.
Anyway, the doctor suggested for me to get a patch test done (sound familiar to anyone?) to see if I could possibly be allergic to any chemicals that could be causing this. If I'm going to have to go through different tests then it seems like EC is going to break my wallet along with everything else it has already broken.
I'm at least thankful enough for the doctor to have heard me out but man, it looks like I'm going to have two new scars from today's biopsy to add to the other two I already have from the previous ones. I swear that this is the last time I get a biopsy done for this shit. I don't want my whole damn bottom lip to look like a f***ing tic-tac-toe game. But, I guess having a normal yet scarred lip would be better than having a f***ed up crusty looking one.
I'll keep posting on my progress.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Vunk
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This is a reply to # 2,015,569Hi man I totally understand what you feel and I think any EC sufferer does. That being said, it's totally frustrating that people in general don't seem to recognize or imagine how hard is to deal with this in a daily basis and systematically!
By the way, have you some pictures to share with us? Regarding the patch test, many of us here have done one which came back rather normal.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,015,585Vunk,
I created a subfolder and uploaded some pictures there. Like I've said before, my EC was really bad in the beginning stages. It has dwindled down just a bit within the last few years but as you will see in the pics; the damn EC just doesn't let up!
Anyway, my bottom lip feels a bit better after the butcher-opsy & having gotten the stitches but, man, I'm aching to go back to the doctor's office so that he can remove them. It really sucks to know that I am going to get two more scars after doing this.- Re: Crusted Swollen Lip longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,015,986My primary care doctor said I need to see a dermatologist since they do not do lip injections at their office. However, the closest dermatologist my insurance covers is an hour away. It will be difficult to travel to and from 2x/week for one month, especially in the winter time. But if that is what I have to do.
Do you think your dermatologist will let you start the injections after your stitches heal if the biopsy does not show anything? - anyone speak Spanish? longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,015,986Does anyone speak Spanish to send an email to the Department of Dermatology at Hospital Rosales in San Salvador In El Salvador? Someone could request email address of the dermatology department in Spanish, then ask the dermatology department if they have treated cases of exfoliative cheilitis on lips after 1950s.
http://www.medicosdeelsalvador.com/cgi-bin/medicos/contact.cgi?ID=1476
http://www.hnr.gob.sv/index.php/estructura-organizativa
- Re: anyone speak Spanish? Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,016,994Good find longterm. I speak Spanish and I will contact them immediately. I might even take the time to go to one of those international calling shops and give them a call directly.
As far as my situation with my dermatologist goes. I have a feeling like they are trying to suck me for as much money as they can before giving me any kind of hopeful answer. Why? Because the doctor told me that he still wants to find the cause of my EC, and thus recommended a patch test.
I mean, a part of me tells me that his overview makes sense just in case if I get those lip injections and then the EC comes back later. My doctor is trying to help me eliminate it completely, and I really hope he succeeds in doing so. I really wasn't trying to get two more scars on my lip for nothing.
I truly hope that these injections are indeed THE final cure for this horrible condition. I mean, I put on some Neosporin on my lips for the past three days (I was first putting it on the stitches) and they have looked a bit better. I only did so because of the neomycin content of Neosporin. However, I don't think it would be wise to use this continuously only because of the fact that the ointment does have three types of Antibiotics in it.
Anyway, let me contact the hospital in El Salvador. I'll translate their response (hope to get one soon) and then post back here.- Re: anyone speak Spanish? Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,017,323I just e-mailed them using the contact form of the link you provided longterm. Below is what I said (translated to English) in a nutshell.
"Hello, I just wanted to send this message asking for any possible information for exfoliative cheilitis. I have been suffering with this condition for over 18 years. The reason why I am asking your hospital directly is because of an article that was published in November 28 1955 by a doctor that worked at your hospital named, Oswaldo Ramirez C.
In his published report he mentioned that the treatment for exfoliative cheilitis was cured with injections of hyaluronidase and then placing an ointment on the lip that consisted of 1% hydrocortisone and neomycin.
If it is possible, could you please tell me if you have successfully treated anyone else with exfoliative cheilitis after 1955? If you can't give me that information then could you please let me know if the treatment with hyaluronidase injections following the topical ointment of 1% hydrocortisone/neomycin is indeed a successful treatment for exfoliative cheilitis? Could you also please let me know if there were any reoccurances of exfoliative cheilitis after the treatment was administered?
If necessary, may I please have an e-mail or telephone number where I can speak to someone directly?
I'm truly hoping to receive a reply.
Thank you very much."
And in actual Spanish:
"Hola, sólo quería enviar este mensaje pidiendo cualquier información posible para la queilitis exfoliativa. He estado sufriendo de esta condición por más de 18 años. La razón por la que estoy pidiendo su hospital directamente es a causa de un artículo que fue publicado el 28 de Noviembre de 1955 por un médico que trabajaba en el hospital con nombre de, Oswaldo Ramírez C. El artículo fue del Departamento de Dermatología y Syphilology.
En su informe publicado mencionó que el tratamiento para la queilitis exfoliativa se cura con inyecciones de hialuronidasa y colocará una pomada en el labio, que consistía en un 1% de hidrocortisona y neomicina.
Si es posible, ¿podría decirme si ha tratado con éxito cualquier otra persona con queilitis exfoliativa después de 1955? Si usted no me puede dar esa información podría usted por favor hágamelo saber si el tratamiento con inyecciones de hialuronidasa a partir de la pomada tópica de hidrocortisona al 1% / neomicina es de hecho un tratamiento exitoso para la queilitis exfoliativa? Podría también, por favor, hágamelo saber si había alguna reoccurances de la queilitis exfoliativa después del tratamiento fue administrado?
Si es necesario, ¿puedo tener un correo electrónico o por teléfono en el que puedo hablar con alguien directamente?
Por favor, estoy realmente esperando obtener una respuesta.
Muchisimas gracias."
Like I mentioned before, I would not rule out possibly taking a trip over there early next year if necessary. I need to find a definite cure for this crap even if it bankrupts or kills me. I'm hoping it doesn't bankrupt me. I'm not trying to ever become a parasite to the system/economy.
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This is a reply to # 2,011,701
Hyaluronidase is actually a substance used to break down hydraulic acid in the skin. It seems strange to me how this would work, but with the skins complexity who know?
Someone should definitely reference the article to their dermatologist. Pretty much every office at this point has access to the substance and it's relatively cheap.
- Re: EC Cure- stated in ARTICLE Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,017,462MikePylon,
As per others that have done more research into this; their findings uncovered that hyaluronidase turns off fibroblasts & actually allows the skin of the lips (which has been noted as "impermeable") to better absorb whatever is placed on them. This is why the 1% hydrocortisone with neomycin ointment placed on them after the injection of hyaluronidase seemed to have worked in the treatment used in the article longterm posted from a hospital in El Salvador. Note how the article states that hydrocortisone & neomycin were ineffective when used alone.
I already printed out the article from El Salvador that longterm posted a link to and gave it to my dermatologist for review. He found the article mighty interesting and asked me if he could keep it. Which I undoubtedly said yes to. I have to go back to see him on Friday to follow-up and get my stitches removed from last week's biopsy. I am literally itching to go back to see him to see what he has found out.
I don't know, I'm getting a good feeling about all of the things I am doing along with the help of those posting any leads to this forum/thread. I think that this is going to be the thread to keep coming back to as I really hope that it ends in some wonderful news for us all.- Re: EC Cure- stated in ARTICLE Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,017,576A quick question. Another member of this forum named Dhammaboy reported a 95% cured rate using a prescription only ointment called, "EpiCeram."
Has anyone else used this ointment? If so, were the results experienced as good as the ones reported by Dhammaboy?
Since I've had EC for so long, I don't know how normal lips are supposed to function. But I do remember having some chapping & light peeling when I was a kid. It was not often but, my lips did get chapped and peeled back when they were normal.
I don't however remember ever waking up with a line of white slime (where my lips touch together when my mouth is closed) like I do now.
I really don't want to have to use a cream for the rest of my life in order for my lips to be normal. I want COMPLETE normality back. I mean, I don't expect for my lips to never get chapped again but, having to use a lip moisturizer maybe like 10 times a year would be normal enough for me.- Re: EC Cure- stated in ARTICLE longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,017,600I think Dhammaboy still got the white slime, which bothers me more than peeling lips.
- Re: EC Cure- stated in ARTICLE Ibinns
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This is a reply to # 2,017,660This whole condition seriously bothers me, not just the white slime part.
No response yet from the hospital in El Salvador either. Man, I hope they aren't some heartless f***ers over there. I hope the e-mail I sent them didn't fall on deaf ears or blind eyes. :-(
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