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- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,002,106Questions: the ammonia in urine is not a direct equivalent, and I do not know really what happens to older urine the more it ages. At some point, the fermentation process is over, and then I would think it is a clean liquid with mineral salts that is slowly becoming more concentrated per evaporation.
I haven't found a good description of what happens between 4 day old urine and 4 month old. - Science of aged urine on scalp for r... illys / elisah
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This is a reply to # 2,002,106The ammonia is just a chemical element meant to strip the layer of old fats off the hair externally.
The trick with the aged urine is this-
You're treating the scalp with lymph fluid. Urine is part lymph fluid, stuff that was drained off the blood which started subcutaneously, was carried out, and filtered into the urine. It is an easily-absorbed source of body-native nutrition..
And the aging process adds probiotics and digestive metabolites into the skin. The bacterium are breaking down urea, (oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen) and producing enzymes, metabolites such as histamine and water-soluable nutrients (very small amounts of b-vits).
When histamine gets to the subcutaneous layer of the scalp, it draws bloodflow and immune cells to the area. The nutrients from the aged urine stay in the intercellular spaces and act (potentiate) new cell growth in the subcutaneous layer by providing the basic building blocks.
It's pretty much the same way wound-healing works in any injury on the body- blood wells to the surface, carrying white, red, and stem-cells-
*the white cells recognize and break down any foreign invaders/dead cells and remove the dead matter (eats it)
*the red blood cells regulate oxygen supply
*stem cells initiate new growth, sampling the types of cells existing around them and growing into similar cells.
So, in conclusion, aged urine has histamine and nutrients in it. The histamine kicks bloodflow and an immune response into gear where it's applied, and the nutrients act as a growth medium. The bloodsupply to the hair gives the scalp and the hair roots the chance to regenerate.
As a probiotic, a bacterium which can survive in urine is a potential help to the skin. Skin has a consistent colony of microorganisims which in part act as barriers to pathogenic species, though the quality of the skin (the fatty layer and amount of bloodsupply) has a major role to play.
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- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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This is a reply to # 2,000,614So a fly gets into urine and lays eggs? Or there were already microscopic larva on the container? Or, they were on the genitals and were washed into the urine? Does anyone have an explanation?
The bacteria dies off when the urine is old enough from the ammoniac. Right?
The bacteria actually participate in the fermentation process that produces the ammoniac.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 #29203
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,000,683That's something I've always wondered about. We're told urine is antibacterial. So how can there be a problem with bacteria growing in it?
I no longer worry about ingesting slightly older urine (but not more than one day old), especially since I've started adding propolis to it. Propolis is also strongly antibacterial.
Never heard of maggots growing in old urine. I have some very old stuff and nothing like that in it. It's amber colored and smells strongly of ammonia.
In a previous post Von Bingen, you said if old urine is stored in an open container, the smell is not too strong. You're probably right. Mine is tightly capped.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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This is a reply to # 2,001,051I think of urine and bacteria as similar to the fermentation of yogurt, and that helps me understand it.
The urine is "pure" while in the bladder.
When it comes out it is contaminated by small numbers of bacteria in the urethra.
They grow initially and participate in the "fermentation" process to old urine.
So at one point, several hours into the process, the urine is quite filled with bacteria.
But just like yogurt--which when fully "soured" the lactobacilli will actually die off from the acids they produce--when the urine is fully fermented, the bacteria that were involved will be killed by the ammonia.
I did some reading on this on wiki and googlescholar and this is now how I understand it.
HTH- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 #29203
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This is a reply to # 2,001,058
OK. But then there's also the fact that bacteria are everywhere, and that our own bodies are teeming with them.
Bacteria themselves are not a problem and don't cause disease.
The germ theory of illness just doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even Pasteur said, on his deathbed: "The Terrain is everything, the germ is nothing."
So do we need to worry about drinking urine that is more than 3 hours old? I myself am not worried.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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This is a reply to # 2,001,062I've been reading that urine that is between 15 - 20 hours old is good for killing intestinal parasites.
My understanding is this: we should not ingest ammonia, it's quite lethal. There's a tipping point when urine that is aging contains too much ammonia to be safe to drink. This (and not specifically the bacterial load) is the main reason I would be cautious with older urine and stick to as-fresh-as-possible.
The 15 - 20 hour old urine may already contain enough ammonia to kill parasites but not enough to damage YOU after one dose. But it's meant only to be taken once in a while, not every day.
HTH
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This is a reply to # 2,001,066
Hmmm...a poster at the Urine Therapy Debate forum advocated using very old urine. No one contradicted her for years, but someone did. Here's the thread:
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1080646
Thanks again for sharing your fasting journey wateroflife.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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This is a reply to # 2,001,641The person who replies here is talking about urine that is kept for months in a closed bottle, so that the ammonia concentrates.
Typically, in UT, the urine is left with the top not screwed on tight, or open a crack, so that the ammonia escapes as the urine ages.
I don't know from personal experience, but perhaps very old urine loses its ammonia content. I'll let you know in a few months :)- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 #29203
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This is a reply to # 2,001,703
Hmm, good point about leaving the top open a bit.
I did keep urine in a closed bottle for many months and recently opened and sniffed it. Didn't do me any harm as far as I can tell (the poster at the debate forum said it would be poisonous). However, I threw it out yesterday. I'll try aging a new batch as you recommend.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 VonBingen
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This is a reply to # 2,001,839Right. Athletes routinely sniff ammonia to give them a flash and improve their performance. But too much too often, and it causes brain damage. So while we do have to be cautious about ammonia, we shouldn't be paranoid about handling old urine.
I haven't kept my urine long enough to know what happens, but I imagine the ammonia will evaporate with time, even if the bottle is closed if it is not hermetically sealed. It will be interesting to see what happens.- Re: Urine fast day 8 of 30 #29203
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This is a reply to # 2,001,953
Didn't know that about athletes sniffing ammonia to improve their performance! Maybe I was too hasty in throwing out that old stuff. :-) Yes, keep us posted on your project.
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- Urine fast day 10 of 30 wateroflife
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This is a reply to # 2,000,426Day 10 and all is well. I am constantly in awe of my general agility and energy although it is only available in small amounts. If I exert myself too much (today I ran half a block to a bus) then I need to rest for a while afterward until the energy is restored, but if I do not exert myself too much I am fine. I cooked pasty slice for the family yesterday and I did not have any problem. I really wanted to taste it, but that is just self gratification creeping in.
I did not weigh myself before, but it should have been around 114kg which is about 14kg heavier than my so-called 'ideal'. I am 6ft 6in tall so I do not look too much overweight. My weight today is 106.5kg so that is about 7kg lost in 10 days.
I have been using aged urine which is a mix of 5 day and 2 day because I ran out early. I have another batch ageing which should be more accurate when I start it at the end of the week. The smell is only slightly more than the fresh urine so I am very pleased and it goes on differently somehow.- Urine fast day 12 of 30 wateroflife
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All is well, about the same as the last few days except that I am now sleeping a little less. I like massaging with old urine now, it goes into the skin much more easily and does not smell too bad at all, not like some old stuff I kept many years ago. I keep it in a bottle with the lid very loose and it is about 4 days old.
I am now more confident about exerting myself so I have no problems getting on with my life, I just know that I cannot last if I use up too much energy in a burst.
My lesion has left a scar with some scaly skin on top so I think it is continuing to heal. My tendons in my hands which run from around the thumb somewhere to up my arms is feeling much less painful. During the last couple of decades it has given me strong pain when I twist my hands or open my thumbs by spreading my fingers. There is still pain there now when I do it but it is much less, probably 70% less. A good sign.
My barber yesterday said there was no significant growth on my bald head. Pity.
- Urine fast day 12 of 30 wateroflife
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This is a reply to # 2,000,157
All is well, about the same as the last few days except that I am now sleeping a little less. I like massaging with old urine now, it goes into the skin much more easily and does not smell too bad at all, not like some old stuff I kept many years ago. I keep it in a bottle with the lid very loose and it is about 4 days old.
I am now more confident about exerting myself so I have no problems getting on with my life, I just know that I cannot last if I use up too much energy in a burst.
My lesion has left a scar with some scaly skin on top so I think it is continuing to heal. My tendons in my hands which run from around the thumb somewhere to up my arms is feeling much less painful. During the last couple of decades it has given me strong pain when I twist my hands or open my thumbs by spreading my fingers. There is still pain there now when I do it but it is much less, probably 70% less. A good sign.
My barber yesterday said there was no significant growth on my bald head. Pity.
- Re: Urine fast day 12 - 30 whitelotuss
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This is a reply to # 2,001,967Wateroflife,
Have you been doing urine therapy before starting the urine fast? If so for how long?
It is great that you have reached this far on the fast.I dint last two days! Which is why I want to ask this - I read somewhere about a partial urine fast which is done for 12 hrs everyday.So on this, one would only have urine and water from 6 am to 6 pm and after that a light supper of fruits, vegetables or boiled brown rice.
I know this wouldnt be as efficient as a full on fast but will it be any better than having a healthy Diet and drinking urine throughout the day?- Re: Urine fast day 12 - 30 wateroflife
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This is a reply to # 2,002,048
Hi Whitelotus,
John Armstrong suggested the diet you mention for sick people who were unable to fast. He also did this himself permanently having only one meal a day and consuming all his urine as his only beverage.
I am 61, I have been practising auto urine therapy (one glass a day of urine) since age 45. I have fasted the last three years for 10-14 days each year and that helps a lot.
I had poor preparation this time so my first 4 days were much harder feeling dizzy, weak and sleepy.
The benefits of auto urine therapy is that my family tell me I look the youngest in my family of four even though I am second eldest. I am on no medication and my yearly colds or flu have disappeared since 45 although there have been about 4 exceptions to that. I generally get half the bugs going around in my family, but I always suffer only a fraction of the symptoms they suffer. My neck arteries were examined last year via ultra sound and they were completely clear where as the technician said it was rare to find that in an adolescent.
Problem is that the lesion on my arm was not healing, I was getting small flaky skin spots on my hands and my face and my arm/hand tendons have been painful at times. I also notice that the auto urine is not working as strongly as it used to which is just a sign of ageing or a sign of a buildup of poisons in my system caused by my poor eating habits and love of some red wine. I eat healthily by many standards, but I have had a desire to eat too many processed items like biscuits, cakes and dips.
Armstrong told many stories of people who were completely cured using urine therapy who returned to unhealthy lifestyles and eventually died as a result.
My challenge is to eat healthily after this.
- Re: Urine fast day 12 - 30 whitelotuss
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This is a reply to # 2,002,068You are doing great!
This gives me hope to continue with this therapy seriously.Thank you.
I kept putting off starting on the therapy till I start an absolutely healthy diet. But it wasnt happening so I went ahead and started on it anyway.Good thing that.
Have you completely abstained from eating meat following the therapy?
I'm 24 yrs female and I'm finding that my hairline has been receding which worries me a lil as all of my family has great hair.
Have you been using aged urine on ur bald spot? What has been the effect of your urine therapy on baldness?
Sorry If I'm troubling you with too many questions. I would like to give this therapy a good serious shot.Thank you for the answers!- Expand 20 messages, 41 to 60 of 60 VonBingen
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