Brands and Types of CS 
josephr525
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Hi,
I'm going to take CS more often, like 3x a day to try to reduce my level of candida that's left over after 2 years of mercury chelating with ALA and DMSA. I have my own CS maker, a Colloid Master 777. I take 1 TBS 3x a day of this.
Should I also add some store bought CS or is home made effective if I'm consistent? Is Sovereign Silver good? How about TMR [Trace Minerals Research] 30 PPM, Source Naturals?
I feel that I need to take CS, even if I turn blue. I've had Hep C for 30 years and I think CS may lower the virii quite a bit and keep the candida and virii at low levels. How much would be a sensible amount to consume every day, long term?
I make my own CS with distilled water. I think it's 10 or 15 PPM. The CS I have now is a few years old but still seems good. It's yellow in color and not cloudy. It's been in a dark cool cupboard in covered mason jars.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
J
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- Do you think this is sales hype? josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,972,749PS - Do you think mercury toxicity would mean I should avoid CS? I'm hoping my double problems will not mean that I won't be able to get better with CS. I don't seem to have the ability to hold onto much magnesium because of Hg toxicity. Cutler PhD warns Hg people not to take CS, but some Hg people seem to think it will help us more than harm us.
Do you think this is sales hype? They are claiming that Mesosilver will normalize ALT and AST in people with Hep C, but Mesosilver is expensive.
http://www.colloidforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=287
If I could do this, it may do me a world of good. I don't have the fatigue that most of them claim to have had before taking CS, but I have elevated ALT and AST [about 100 and 190]. The Cutler PhD people claim that my elevated ALT and AST are due to Hg toxicity but so far chelating has seemed to aggravate my liver more than help it. I'm wondering if the elevated AST and ALT are more to do with the Hep C virii and my chronic GI bacterial infection. I'm wondering if CS might clear this up better than it's been in decades. Some insight into this would be greatly appreciated.
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- Why Do They Make CS Generators? josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,972,749Is it because some people really believe in the use of making and drinking CS? There are many brands of CS generators.
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Your home silver should work OK, you just need more of it than the very best commercial products - though I advise making a fresh batch. You should be taking far more than what you are, at least over the short term. For a complete Hep-C protocol, see:
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And no, imo, Sovereign Silver is not among the better brands - what they have working for them is a strong marketing team that gets their product into many of the supplement outlets.
- Re: Brands and Types of CS josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,972,884Hi,
The makers of the Colloid Master 777 seem to say that the yellow CS I have in cupboard is not too bad. What would happen if I drink it? Do you think I'd turn blue, or do you think it's too weak?
Anyway, I'm making fresh CS very soon. I got my distiller out to make fresh distilled water to make CS with. It will be interesting to see if the CS clears up the dysbiosis that mercury chelating seemed to create in my GI tract. So far, raw garlic and Grapefruit-Seed-Extract hasn't done too much to affect the dysbiosis. I cannot tolerate fruit any ore like I used to, not at all. I eat a very limited diet of cruciferous vegs, some grains, nuts, seed, and animal proteins.
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It's probably OK, but with homemade ionic/colloieal silver solutions being so easy and inexpensive to make, why not just make up a fresh batch? It is very, very hard to turn blue from CS. Basically you have to make it wrong, such as contaminating it with salt, and drink huge amounts for a long time.
I am not a fan of GSE, especially after seeing studies which found that it was the preservatives used in some GSE products which had the anti-pathogen effect and not the actual GSE. When it comes to pathogen killers, after colloidal silver I much prefer oil of oregano.
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- Re: Brands and Types of CS josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,973,024Thanks DQ. I'll use the old CS in a spray bottle. I feed my cats raw meat, and leaving it at room temp can affect the smell of it, but if I spray it with CS it keeps it fresh smelling.
Glad to hear that about turning blue. CS is something I probably should put into my program. If I can normalize my AST and ALT it would be a great thing, not to mention the low viral load. I'm quite healthy but I could be healthier.
J- Re: Brands and Types of CS Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 1,973,051
You really should take a good look at the Hep-C protocol I gave a link to earlier. It has been reported by a reliable member here that several people have completely eliminating Hep-C with the herbal combo from Florida in the protocol.
- Re: Brands and Types of CS josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,973,064Hi,
I looked over the protocol. I already do a lot of things for my health so I don't think I need to take on a whole new program. I do dry heat sauna 3x a week. I'm very particular about what I eat and take.
I take organic milk thistle and org Ashwagandha that I buy by the pound. Chinese herbs give me diarrhea, so I'd say that's out. The herbs from FL sound like they'd be expensive and hit or miss for my sensitive system..
Liver flushes, I never got anything out of, and I may be wrong but I get the feeling I'd be wasting my time by trying to flush out any stones. It's stressful to the body to take Epsom Salts and drink oil. I can't tolerate fruit right now either. If I was just coming off a junk food diet, was overweight, etc., it might be a better idea but I've eaten whole foods for over 30 years, taken vitamins, minerals, I've done coffee enemas for many years.
I'm not looking to completely wipe out Hep C, I don't think. I'm sure many of the herbs are great for certain people but I tend to be very sensitive to many things and have to be very careful about what I buy because if I have a problem with it then I'm out more $$ [which I don't have a lot of].
I've found that taking Silica in Diatomeceous Earth dissolved in water has helped.
I may get a TDS meter so I can measure PPM. When you make CS, do you make it in darkness? the website of my CS machine says it needs to be protected from light while it's being made. I have it brewing right now, and covered in black plastic wrap.
How does taking 5 PPM CS compare to taking 12 PPM CS?
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The first testimonial on the link below states a cure for Hep C. That's what I would be doing. Along with taking proper companion nutrients like Vit C and Selenomethionine and a few others. This decreases the odds of skin discoloration.
http://www.silverpuppy.com/testimonials.html
You should also take probiotics and alkalize, your system by juicing dark leafy greens with 1 lemon, 1 apple, 3-4 carrots, 3-4 cellery, 1 cucumber 2-4 inches of ginger root and 1 small habenaro pepper. Daily do this with a masticating juicer like a Omega 8004.
I bet your problems will be over if you follow this advise.
You might start with low amounts as the bad organisms will die off causing symptoms.
Your silver maker is just fine in my opinion. EIS silver is great and stays high quality for years as the particles are positively charged and repel each other. Even if all the particles aren't the smallest they will be broken down from the hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Just drink 8 ounces at least per day.- Re: Brands and Types of CS josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,973,132Interesting info, thank you both. It's a coincidence that my juicer is an Omega 8004 but I haven't been able to tolerate anything but cruciferous veggies since chelating with ALA and DMSA loused up my GI tract. I make fresh kraut with cabbage and apple juice with the 8004, that I do tolerate. I leave it at room temp for 3-5 days to ferment it.
I will take Vit C and Selenomethionine, actually I've been taking 200 Mcg of Se right along and will keep it up. If I keep devoting myself to my health diet, sauna, etc., it seems I should do fine. Even if I turned a tad blue, I might like the way I feel then more than how I feel now. So, somewhere between here and Argyria might be a better state of health for me. If I see many benefits to drinking CS, I may not mind being a tad blue. If I'm more energetic and my moods improve, that will be nice. The main 2 things that lower my health are Hep C and GI dysbiosis, and CS may do a number on both of them. It will be interesting to see just what it does.
I was getting some Herxheimer reaction and that's weird in a way because I'd been taking Grapefruit-Seed-Extract and raw garlic. That may show that CS may be effective against more pathogens, or maybe I need CS to help balance out my minerals. I just made 2 quarts of fresh CS. It only took about an hour to 1.5 hours per quart. Does this sound right?
Colloid Master 777 seems to be a good machine. They are still in business with a lot of info on their site and they have updated their CS makers.
I will check out the link. Thanks again.
PS - I also make home made SCD 24 hour yogurt with organic full fat milk and Yogourmet yogurt starter. I put it in the oven with a 60w bulb and it ferments at 100*F for 24 hours to remove all lactose. They say 1 tsp of it has 15 billion units of probiotic bacteria. One quart of it has more probiotics than a $35 jar of Theralac.
Joe
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This is a reply to # 1,973,135Cayenne Pepper is said to heal the stomach tissues. All hot peppers are good for this. Sounds like it will cause problems but clears up stomach and GI problems. Just start out slow.
Your water might not be pure enough. It takes me 5 or so hours to make 15 ppm with a silver puppy. It is a good idea to get a proper conductivity meter to measure your water before and after.
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Hi,
I replied here because when I click on your reply below, it shows nothing. I can read it by holding my cursor on it.
My CS tastes like Cs, kind of bitter, and it's clear as water. I have a feeling the distilled water will be more pure when I use new charcoal filters in it. The filters in it now are kind of old and they probably aren't filtering very well.
When I drink the CS, I should try to drink it on an empty stomach, right? I add Sea Salt and Epsom Salts to my drinking water.
I have a lousy appetite the last 3 days, I think the CS is killing off something[s]. Does CS help people by increasing the level of silver in the body or by it's antibacterial / anti viral effects as it passes through the body?
Do you think it's OK if I drink my fresh CS that was ready in 90 minutes or should I make some more with the new filters in my distiller?
Thank you.
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This is a reply to # 1,973,201JAB
Cayenne Pepper is said to heal the stomach tissues. All hot peppers are good for this. Sounds like it will cause problems but clears up stomach and GI problems. Just start out slow.
Your water might not be pure enough. It takes me 5 or so hours to make 15 ppm with a silver puppy. It is a good idea to get a proper conductivity meter to measure your water before and after.
http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html
Hi,
"I replied here because when I click on your reply below, it shows nothing. I can read it by holding my cursor on it."
JAB
I couldn't post a reply due to some error. Original message above.
"My CS tastes like Cs, kind of bitter, and it's clear as water. I have a feeling the distilled water will be more pure when I use new charcoal filters in it. The filters in it now are kind of old and they probably aren't filtering very well."
If you use charcoal use it before distilling or it will add more minerals.
"When I drink the CS, I should try to drink it on an empty stomach, right? I add Sea Salt and Epsom Salts to my drinking water."
JAB
Probably best on an empty stomach.
"I have a lousy appetite the last 3 days, I think the CS is killing off something[s]. Does CS help people by increasing the level of silver in the body or by it's antibacterial / anti viral effects as it passes through the body?"
JAB
It mainly works by killing one celled pathogens. But Ionic silver may rejuvenate tissue. The body might also need a small amount.
"Do you think it's OK if I drink my fresh CS that was ready in 90 minutes or should I make some more with the new filters in my distiller?"
JAB
It will be ok. I don't use the charcoal filters.
- Re: Brands and Types of CS josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,973,244Hi JAB,
I've got some stomach illness. I'm planning to increase CS to hopefully clear it up. I think I was poisoned again. Pretty hard to get well when you can't even start off at normal. And, I don't even remember what I did to deserve being poisoned. It's a losing battle to even try any more. I can't believe how mean my ex boss has been to me. It's unbelievably scary and depressing.
I removed the new charcoal filters but I don't see how charcoal will add minerals, it's supposed to remove things like minerals. They are only in it to make the water taste better, so I think I can still distill without them.
I took the first quart of water from the new filters and made CS, and it came out cloudy white. I won't drink that. I think I'll be making good CS soon tho. I won't increase the dose until I'm making good quality CS that will hopefully take a few hours to make.Advertisement
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- Re: Brands and Types of CS Johny Apple Bomb
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This is a reply to # 1,973,275If it's cloudy you're water isn't pure enough. The charcoal filters are good at removing chemicals that the distiller won't. I would use the charcoal filter before distilling as the charcoal will contaminate the water slightly.
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- Sweating More josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,972,884At the gym today in the dry heat sauna, I seemed to sweat more than I usually do. Could it be because I started drinking CS a few days ago?
Do you think dry heat sauna is good when you drink CS? Also, is sun exposure good with CS therapy? I like to get Sun and Vitamin D.- Re: Sweating More #68716
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This is a reply to # 1,973,203Hi, josephr525
I did not read all thread but can answer some of your questions because I'm in the same situation/condition that you are.
I also use my home made silver solution for bacterial overgrowth. It works amazingly. It works also for candida.
DMSA lowers neutrophils which is primary factor for candida overgrowth. If you are in the beginning of chelation process it is normal to have candida. 4-5 moths from now and you will be candida free.
Take nystatin. It is cheap and effective anti yeast medicine. It acts topically and won't pass through intestinal lining to blood stream. It will keep candida low during chelation.
"PS - Do you think mercury toxicity would mean I should avoid CS?"
You can use silver but do NOT chelate the day when take it. I've searched a lot about silver-mercury interactions but did not found anything.
YOu have to know that chelation of intestines is very hard task. You need 5-10 grams glutamine a day + N-acetyl-glucosamine to heal the mucosa. After mercury extraction the tissue has to be healed especially intestines. I'm tellin you this from first hand.
Next, probiotics can be a problems because when leaky mucosa is present every once cell organism act as pathogen - SIBO(small intestine bacterial overgrowth) is perfect example. Many people do not realize that at all. They think probiotics are beneficial in every situation. This is untrue. Your damaged mucosa will react with diarrhea when to much bacteria is on it. Just chelate long enough and take glutamine + NAG.
(sorry spelling and grammar mistakes)- Re: Sweating More josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,973,608This is very interesting and thank you.
In the mid 80s I took Nystatin but not since then. At first I seemed to do OK with it but later on it seemed to cause serious die off symptoms so I had to quit it. I had all Amalgams removed in 1986, all 18 of them. I could ask and see if I could get Nystatin prescribed again but I'm afraid of the same thing happening again - severe fatigue and die off. Some people on Cutler's forum suggested I take Nystatin too.
I wasn't sure what to do about this. I needed some guidance. I've been afraid of taking isolated amino acids, afraid they could cause life threatening health problems for me, like tumors or something but I guess we need to do what it takes to get from point A to point B.
Maybe I will do this and proceed to chelate. So far I've done about 2 years of ALA rounds up to 12.5 mg every 2-3 hours, and three 3 days rounds of DMSA 25 Mg that ended on 7/3/2012.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,973,658I tend to think I can get through more chelating without Nystatin, by using raw garlic, Citrcidal GSE, low carb diet with lots of broccoli, onions, etc., and possibly NAG and Glutamine. I don't know this tho. When I ended my last of 3 DMSA only rounds, I was getting very smelly gas and I still have that. If I let a fart in someone's car with the windows closed, I think the people in it would all die on the spot. That's how foul they are.
If I could chelate more like this, I wouldn't have to chase some MD around and beg for a prescription.
Thanks again for your advice. I'll copy and save it. I actually have both of Cutler's books but I probably needed some encouragement. I tend to worry that I'm a one in a million person that won't be able to get well or something.
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This is a reply to # 1,973,608Dear Sir / M'am,
Do you think I should take Glutamine and NAG for a week or two before I resume DMSA rounds or could I resume DMSA at the same time as NAG?
Should I take ALA rounds with DMSA. or alternate between ALA and DMSA rounds? I think the ALA rounds seemed to upset my liver AST and ALT tests but people have said it will eventually heal the liver and Hg is supposedly the cause of elevated AST and ALT.
I'd rather deal with this than Interferon for the liver, it can be pure hell they say.
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This is a reply to # 1,973,668Thanks again for the encouragement and info. It's in a form that I can understand and believe. Chelating has done me a lot of good so far, even with the GI issues. My head is clearer, and can think better, deal with people better, I'm no longer shy, and there are physical aspects too. It excites me to think I can proceed now and get even better, possibly better than I've ever been, or been in decades. It's a chance I want to take and so far, it look like things have gone as planned. I won't mind being alone and the age I am if my head is clear of depression.
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Do you think I should take Glutamine and NAG for a week or two before I resume DMSA rounds or could I resume DMSA at the same time as NAG?
Glutamine and NAG should be taken daily. If you tolerate fatty food vitamin A also can help with repair of mucosa.
"Should I take ALA rounds with DMSA. or alternate between ALA and DMSA rounds? I think the ALA rounds seemed to upset my liver AST and ALT tests but people have said it will eventually heal the liver and Hg is supposedly the cause of elevated AST and ALT."
It's individually. DMSA is not good chelator of mercury because of too many side effects. DMSA is better for lead.
DMPS and ALA are real chelators.
Join in frequent dose group in yahoo forums. There are things you can learn from people there: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/
"Thanks again for the encouragement and info. It's in a form that I can understand and believe. Chelating has done me a lot of good so far, even with the GI issues"
and for me the chelation was the magic key. But I feel the need that a hair analysis have to be done minimum two times to see what are the condition with deranged minerals
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Thanks for the eye opener. It very well could be the missing link I've needed for quite some time.
www.naturalnews.com/033532_l-glutamine_gut_health.html
Glutamine is very helpful in helping to heal the gut, and support intestinal function even in healthy guts(1,2, 3).
It can work wonders, especially for those who have the patience to consume a teaspoon, 2-4 times per day, every day.- Re: Healing your Gut with L Glutamin... #68716
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This is a reply to # 1,974,052Glutamine and NAG
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2036.2000.00883.x/full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1411386/pdf/gut00472-0059.pdf
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Hi,
Would you have recommended the same if I had told you I've had Hep C for over 30 years? I'm in good general health. ALA rounds seemed to increase my AST and ALT. I want to do more ALA rounds, and with the help of Glutamine and possibly NAG, I may do better on ALA.
Do you take whey protein or other protein powder? I got some rice protein but I think whey protein is better absorbed.
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This is a reply to # 1,972,884Dquixote1217, let's be fair here.
Mesosilver, Utopia-Silver , and Sovereign Silver are all in your own words going to have "a strong marketing team that gets their product into many of the supplement outlets."
Just because Utopia-Silver is Curezone sponsored and you're buddies with the owner doesn't make the companies claims any more legitimate than Sovereign's unless there is 3rd party testing done with no financial interests.
Now most of what I've researched on Pubmed confirms that the Ionic portion is what is most effective. I know you'll agree with this as it is thought that Colloidal solutions convert to Ionic once it reaches the pathogen in the body.
I have yet to find a study which proves that Ionic Silver is less bioavailable than "true" Colloidal Silver .
Until then, I'll have to base my conclusions on what I have found effective from my own experience with what I make at home.- Re: Brands and Types of CS sounddoctrine
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This is a reply to # 2,000,551Just to add, I also buy Utopia-Silver and take that along with what I make at home, just to cover all aspects of the silver supplementation:
Colloidal vs. Ionic.
I would agree that Utopia and Meso are the best as far as a true colloidal, but i'm still in the air with which is more bioavailable.
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