Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife 
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Back in 1993, a naturopathic doctor, Dr. Hulda Clark , introduced a product called the zapper which she claimed could either reduce or cure cancer by passing electrical frequencies through the body. She was persecuted for this up to the day that she died in 2009 and even after her death. Companies that produced the product were raided, harassed, and even shut down by the FDA and other government agencies.
Is it not sad that the following research was published a few months before she died but she did not receive any credit for her work?
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J Exp Clin Cancer Res. 2009 Apr 14;28:51.
Amplitude-modulated electromagnetic fields for the treatment of cancer: discovery of tumor-specific frequencies and assessment of a novel therapeutic approach.
Barbault A, Costa FP, Bottger B, Munden RF, Bomholt F, Kuster N, Pasche B.
CONCLUSION:
Cancer-related frequencies appear to be tumor-specific and treatment with tumor-specific frequencies is feasible, well tolerated and may have biological efficacy in patients with advanced cancer.
TRIAL REGISTRATION: clinicaltrials.gov identifier NCT00805337.
from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366446
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Was Dr. Clark really a quack?
Please sign this petition to ask congress to stop the FDA from persecuting zapper manufacturers. Zappers are legal and available in most countries other than the U.S.
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This is a reply to # 1,863,425As a clarification, I want to add that this is also a vindiaction of Rife and others who preceded Dr. Clark and many of whom surpassed Dr. Clark in their work. My reason in particular for crediting Dr. Clark is that it was she who popularized electro-therapy as a tool for healing and resulted in an increase in awareness in Rife, Crane, Beck, and many others.
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This is a reply to # 1,863,425
Back in 1993, a naturopathic doctor, Dr. Hulda Clark , introduced a product called the zapper which she claimed could either reduce or cure cancer by passing electrical frequencies through the body. She was persecuted for this up to the day that she died in 2009 and even after her death. Companies that produced the product were raided, harassed, and even shut down by the FDA and other government agencies.
Is it not sad that the following research was published a few months before she died but she did not receive any credit for her work?There is a good reason that noone took her seriously. First of all she was making wild claims about parasites being the cause of various diseases including diseases that had nothing to do with parasites.
More specifically though in her first book she had incomplete schematics as well as she states any frequency above I think it was 32,000hz. Any frequency is far from a specific frequency and any frequency above includes dangerous frequencies including microwaves. In short, if she had a clue what she was talking about then maybe she would have been taken more seriously.
But there were pioneers in the field long before Clark came along and really discredited the field including Tesla, Lakhovsky, Moray and Rife that were much better in backing their claims with radio frequency therapy.
But even today there is too much misinformation and misconceptions going around about the therapy. For example, looking at most of the frequency lists for Rife units it is easy to see that most of the frequencies are bogus. I have seen many of these lists include a known cancer causing frequency on many of the "cancer treatment" frequencies. Then I was looking at another frequency list for a Rife unit out of Germany. The list had different frequencies listed than the lists from the US have, and none of the frequencies on the list matched up with Rife's original frequencies. For that matter Rife's original frequencies are rarely mentioned on the US frequency lists either showing that many of the frequencies are simply being made up.
In fact, Rife only kept 5 frequencies originally. Later he dropped 2 of the frequencies since they were found to interfere with the first 3. Out of the remaining 3 we have found that the last 2 frequencies were much slower to work than the first frequency. After doing some calculations it was found that there is a basis behind the three frequencies that Rife kept, which Rife did not understand. But it did explain why the first frequency worked on EVERYTHING it was tried on including various cancers, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, chronic fatigue syndrome, neuropathy, brain damage, pain, etc. Multiple frequencies were not required. It also explained why the last two frequencies were slower to work, they were off by one number each. Corrected to the proper frequency they work just as well and just as fast. What these units are really doing with the PROPER frequencies is readjusting the body back in to the proper primary resonant frequency. Same thing magnetic therapy and many other therapies do. The only major difference is that the radio frequency therapy units are "forcing" the issue.
These fixed frequency units can be built and for less than $100.00 each. Manufacturers though want to make a killing on their profits though so they like to make up a lot of bogus frequencies for machines with a lot of bells and whistles to make things seem more complicated than they need to be so they can jack up the price. Of course this helps nobody but the manufacturer. This is why I had my units custom made to the actual Rife frequencies originally then had the other frequencies dropped down to only the one frequency that we found to work on everything we tried it on.
Bottom line is that the whole science behind radio frequency therapy would be taken a lot more seriously if people would stop bastardizing the science.
And yes, I know you as well as many others here will try to argue what I stated above. But I did not learn what I know about this therapy just from reading various sales sites as so many here have. I have been working with radio frequency therapy for several decades and have researched it in great detail including going through copies of Rife's original research notes. So people can argue all they want, I know how the units really work and I know that multiple frequencies are not needed. And I personally would never buy a commercial unit since they are more overpriced fluff than functional.
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This is a reply to # 1,864,455...And I've been around CureZone for several years.
I think it would be wize to ask what the frequency suggested is, and use it.
We all try things we hear about and post our results.
My best to all of us...all life on this planet. Lets project goodwill and balance and peacefulness. Fear and alarm and anger and frustration only create more of the same.
My best,
Fledgling- Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi m... Hveragerthi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,864,737
...And I've been around CureZone for several years.
I think it would be wize to ask what the frequency suggested is, and use it.What I said was not irresponsible. I was simply pointing out what I have come to learn from several decades of experimentation and lots of research.
The frequency we stuck with is 666hz. And I don't want to hear about all the "mark of the beast" garbage. That was made up and popularized by Hollywood. Again, this frequency has worked on everything it has been tried on. No other frequencies being used. And as I also pointed out there was a basis, more specifically a relationship between this frequency, Rife's other two frequencies and the Earth's primary frequency, which also happens to be our primary frequency.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,864,814(Hope you saw the word 'never' in my post's title.)
Thanks for the frequency...and for sharing your studies.
Fledgling
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(Hope you saw the word 'never' in my post's title.)
Yes, I saw that. But the sentence can still be read two ways, which is why I wanted to clarify it.
Thanks for the frequency...and for sharing your studies.Your welcome. I have actually discussed this frequency a number of times on my forum, which is why I did not really go back in to it. I hope though that some day people will start catching on that Rife was narrowing down his frequency list for a reason, not expanding it. There is absolutely NO reason for multiple frequencies. In fact, I highly recommend that people DO NOT use frequency sweeps. I do not feel this is safe. It is like going 100 miles per hour in one direction, then suddenly going 1000 miles per hour in another direction without slowing down and stopping to change directions. This happens again and again and again as the frequencies keep changing. What effect does this have on cells? Nobody really knows for sure. This is the same reason I only use one frequency, even though the other two Rife frequencies would do the same thing if the corrections in the frequency were made. Since the one frequency had worked on everything it has been tested on there is absolutely no reason to "confuse" the body with alternating and questionable frequencies.
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This is a reply to # 1,865,148>- DO NOT use frequency sweeps.
I strongly agree and have been stating this for a long time.
My method is to provide specific selected frequencies and this works well.
>- one frequency had worked on everything it has been tested on
Perhaps it depends on the method of application but I do know from my tests, that from direct electrode application, other frequencies have faster, stronger effects than the 666 Hz frequency.
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>- one frequency had worked on everything it has been tested on
Perhaps it depends on the method of application but I do know from my tests, that from direct electrode application, other frequencies have faster, stronger effects than the 666 Hz frequency.And our experiments with other frequencies showed that the 666hz worked the best. Rife's other two frequencies also worked, but were slower since they were off by one. Other frequencies we tried from the frequency lists really did not do much if anything so we stopped using them.
More importantly, we found that there was an actual basis behind the frequencies that Rife kept. They were not really random working for some things and not others. This is why he was narrowing down the frequencies he was using, not increasing them.
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This is a reply to # 1,864,814>- 666
Actually, the 666 comes from an interpretation of the "Book of Revelation".
Otherwise, I agree that it is a good frequency and is include in one of my new models of zapper that is currently on test. However, I do not rely entirely on that frequency as my data analysis shows that there are things that it misses.
As an example, 666 seems to have little effect on Basal Cell but frequencies close to the following work extremely well. 2116, 2280,
Also, 666 does not appear to help with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma but 2008, 2004, 2012, 2116, 2128 ...
Gotta love that 7.83 or some like the 15.66 but somehow round it down to 15.0 ( Croft ).
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>- 666
Actually, the 666 comes from an interpretation of the "Book of Revelation".Wrong again. There are a lot of hypotheses as to the origin of 666 including that they represent letters (www), not numbers. And the reference in revelation was shown to be some other number, not 666. But it was Hollywood that popularized 666 as the "mark of the beast".
Otherwise, I agree that it is a good frequency and is include in one of my new models of zapper that is currently on test. However, I do not rely entirely on that frequency as my data analysis shows that there are things that it misses.
As an example, 666 seems to have little effect on Basal Cell but frequencies close to the following work extremely well. 2116, 2280,
Also, 666 does not appear to help with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma but 2008, 2004, 2012, 2116, 2128 ...
Gotta love that 7.83 or some like the 15.66 but somehow round it down to 15.0 ( Croft ).
Clearly you are doing something wrong because the 666hz frequency works for those cancers as well. Again, what Rife was doing really had nothing to do with vibrating cells apart. Once you figure out the why this and his other two frequencies work then you will understand why it also works for these other cancers. Ironically you actually got part of the answer there in your post, but you still have a long way to go to figure it out.
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This is a reply to # 1,865,278>- And the reference in revelation was shown to be some other number,
Only another interpretation. Not proven fact.
>- Clearly you are doing something wrong because the 666hz frequency works for those cancers as well.
Possibly, but I doubt it. It did not provide nearly the effectiveness as the other frequencies that I used. I will certainly try it again if I ever have another recurrence.
BTW, I also tried 665 and 667.
>- ironically you actually got part of the answer
No irony to it, as I said, I have been working with this for a good while. I am very familiar with Tesla, Schumann, as well as many others. In the third grade, I read Velikovski's "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval" as well as a college textbook on "Microbiology". I feel quite strongly that you probably grew up similarly.
I guess that you are aware that the advantage of being born with a silver spoon in your mouth is not money, although that often helps.
One thing that I know is that while the 666 frequency is powerful in its effects, it is not the end all to everything. Earth resonance is like the home frequency to us but it is also the home frequency to bacteria, protozoa, fungi, and virus.
There are specific frequencies that are damaging to those organisms that work better and faster than restoring and boosting our own resonance.
I do suggest that since this is a debate, we should probably move this to the debate forum and leave these pages to those who need support.
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>- Clearly you are doing something wrong because the 666hz frequency works for those cancers as well.
Possibly, but I doubt it. It did not provide nearly the effectiveness as the other frequencies that I used. I will certainly try it again if I ever have another recurrence.
BTW, I also tried 665 and 667.Maybe you were using the wrong wave form, maybe you lacked the proper power........... Early on when we were experimenting with these devices we sent one to a naturopathic doctor in California that was experimenting with different Rife units. She found that most of them did not work very well at all. And out of the various units she found that the experimental unit we supplied worked the best. So there are variables in design that can make a big difference.
Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier being off by one can vastly affect the effectiveness of the frequencies. As I said earlier Rife kept two other frequencies, but we found they took months longer to work. When the connection was found between the frequencies and how they worked it was found that the reason the last two frequencies were so much slower was simply because they were also off by one each. So 665 and 667 are not going to work the same.
>- ironically you actually got part of the answer
No irony to it, as I said, I have been working with this for a good while.
In that case tell me what part of the answer I am referring to and its relevance. Let's see if you have a clue what I am talking about.
I guess that you are aware that the advantage of being born with a silver spoon in your mouth is not money, although that often helps.
Not sure why you are bringing this up since it has to do with nothing. Nor am I sure who you are referring to. If you mean me you are making another incorrect assumption. If you are referring to yourself then that would answer a lot of questions as people with power frequently refuse to admit when they are wrong.
One thing that I know is that while the 666 frequency is powerful in its effects, it is not the end all to everything. Earth resonance is like the home frequency to us but it is also the home frequency to bacteria, protozoa, fungi, and virus.
One thing that I know is that while the 666 frequency is powerful in its effects, it is not the end all to everything. Earth resonance is like the home frequency to us but it is also the home frequency to bacteria, protozoa, fungi, and virus.
Actually that response tells me that you have not made the real connection with Rife's frequencies.
There are specific frequencies that are damaging to those organisms that work better and faster than restoring and boosting our own resonance.
Part of the reason you have caught on to how these devices work was seen in your previous response where it showed you do not understand the difference between resonant frequency and radiofrequency. You still have a lot to learn little grasshopper.
I do suggest that since this is a debate, we should probably move this to the debate forum and leave these pages to those who need support.
A major key to "support" is that people get proper information. Incorrect information does not do anyone any good.
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This is a reply to # 1,865,577Okay, so you prove once again you don't know what you are talking about. I've lost quite a bit of respect for you after reading your posts in this thread. What falsehoods you've brought here.
First of all, waveform is critical. You have admitted in your own forum that you don't know what waveform works best when using the 666 Hz frequency. That shows a blatant ignorance about the subject. Are you aware that square waves produce harmonics?
Here is why I know you are wrong. You are correct in the idea that the 666 Hz is a good frequency to use. However, you are COMPLETELY wrong on the "WHY"! It has nothing to do with "bringing your body back into proper resonance."
Bear in mind that the exact frequency is 666.666 Hz, not just 666 Hz.
When 666.666 Hz is used in a SQUARE wave, the third harmonic, approximately 2000 Hz, is exactly an octave of the frequency 1000 Hz, the frequency that the co-discoverer of HIV Luc Montagnier discovered to emanate from a majority of bacteria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#Research_on_electromagnetic_signa...
http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/
Read his study, in detail. The frequency 1000 Hz was detected from almost all of the pathogenic bacteria, but not from the probiotic bacteria like Lactobacillus.
When you run the frequency 666 Hz with a square wave, you are in fact generating this 1000 Hz frequency found in all bacteria (but in one upper octave form). Thus, you are either 1) actually vibrating the bacteria to death (contradicting your false claims about bringing the body to proper resonance) OR 2) cancelling out the transmission of 1000 Hz from the bacteria themselves, which likely causes their sterility/immobility as a result.
All of this is for naught if you run 666 Hz with a sine wave. Sine waves do not produce harmonics, thus the 2000 Hz harmonic is NOT produced.
You have never mentioned this to your followers who ask you about using Rife machines and 666 Hz. Probably because you have no clue. You really don't.
Stop while you are ahead, Hv. This self-destruction of your credibility is just plain embarrassing to witness.
edit: I forgot to mention an important point. If running an octave (or subharmonic) of 1000Hz can cure cancer, why not just run 1000Hz itself? I have tested the frequency 1000 Hz extensively, both in a sine wave and a square wave, and have found it to have not as much effect as a 666 Hz square wave. The reason is that when you run the frequency 666.666 Hz as a square wave, the third harmonic 2000 Hz is like a 1000 Hz being modulated by a second 1000 Hz wave, along with the hundreds of harmonics of the original 666 Hz wave. The modulation is obviously critical to the effect, then.-
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This is a reply to # 1,865,604Okay, so you prove once again you don't know what you are talking about.
According to you. So you are a self-proclaimed know it all? Apparently you think so.
I've lost quite a bit of respect for you after reading your posts in this thread.
Do you think I really care. I am not here to make friends, I am here to educate people. Just because someone THINKS I am wrong and therefore loses respect for me does not matter. If they are not willing to look in to the facts before assuming I am wrong then the problem is with them, not me.
What falsehoods you've brought here.
Again, just because you think someone is wrong this does not make them wrong.
First of all, waveform is critical.Well duh!!!! Why do you think I brought that up in my other post?!!! So you just lost all credibility for going on the attack without bothering to get all the facts before hand!
You have admitted in your own forum that you don't know what waveform works best when using the 666 Hz frequency.
I am not an electrician, which is why I was working with someone who does understand waveforms and who experimented with the different waveforms. Using your same reasoning we can also come to the conclusion that just because a rocket engineer understands how a space shuttle should be designed that they should also know how how all the electronics should work in the shuttle as well as the fuel system, composites, etc. Are you really that dumb?!!! Nobody has all the answers, which is why we work in teams so others can fill in the gaps where we fall short.
That shows a blatant ignorance about the subject. Are you aware that square waves produce harmonics?
See above. I understand disease causes and progressions as well as how certain things can deal with these. Again I worked with someone that knew more about electronics than anyone I have ever met. We worked together again because this allowed us to look at all angles.
But again, using your own same reasoning I could conclude that you are totally ignorant of the subject since you have no clue how the effect of these frequencies are affecting the different aspects of disease and disorders. You may know electronics, but again you cannot build a space shuttle on your own. Point is that there is a lot more to the whole subject than simply knowing how to create a frequency, which apparently is all you know.
Here is why I know you are wrong. You are correct in the idea that the 666 Hz is a good frequency to use. However, you are COMPLETELY wrong on the "WHY"! It has nothing to do with "bringing your body back into proper resonance."No, you are wrong again. You are taking one tiny part of the story and making a determination of you are right without looking at the whole story.
Bear in mind that the exact frequency is 666.666 Hz, not just 666 Hz.Oops, you are wrong again. As I just got done saying you are only looking at one page of the whole story. If you knew the whole story then you would have known that there was a basis for Rife's frequencies, and this basis specifically requires 666hz.
When 666.666 Hz is used in a SQUARE wave, the third harmonic, approximately 2000 Hz, is exactly an octave of the frequency 1000 Hz, the frequency that the co-discoverer of HIV Luc Montagnier discovered to emanate from a majority of bacteria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#Research_on_electromagnetic_signa...I know who Montagnier is. I had written about him in a book I was doing on AIDS 20 years ago.
But clearly you must not either read or understand the links you post. Did you bother to read and understand these points from your link?:
In 2009, Montagnier published two controversial research studies which, if true, "would be the most significant experiments performed in the past 90 years, demanding re-evaluation of the whole conceptual framework of modern chemistry."[2]
They were published in a new journal of which he is chairman of the editorial board,[3] allegedly[2] detecting electromagnetic signals from bacterial DNA (M. pirum and E. coli) in water that had been prepared using agitation and high dilutions,[18]
http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/
Read his study, in detail. The frequency 1000 Hz was detected from almost all of the pathogenic bacteria, but not from the probiotic bacteria like Lactobacillus.ROTFLMAO!!!! First of all from YOUR OWN LINK above it clearly states that he self published this report in a journal that he chairman of the editorial board. That is like you claiming that quartz is a vegetable, then self publishing your claim in your own journal, then claiming this is solid evidence of the claim even though there is no review of the findings. Do you realize how ridiculous that is to claim this is real evidence?!!!! I sure am glad you are not a real researcher!
When you run the frequency 666 Hz with a square wave, you are in fact generating this 1000 Hz frequency found in all bacteria (but in one upper octave form). Thus, you are either 1) actually vibrating the bacteria to death (contradicting your false claims about bringing the body to proper resonance) OR 2) cancelling out the transmission of 1000 Hz from the bacteria themselves, which likely causes their sterility/immobility as a result.Neither of your links even mention 666.666hz. Hint, if you are going to present links as evidence of your claims then they should at least talk about what you are talking about.
If that was not bad enough you also overlooked the firestorm he created with his claims. No wonder he had to self publish in a journal in which he was the chairman of the editorial board. No respectful journal would EVER publish such shoddy, unverified work. Probably explains why in the last several years he never presented any other research to verify his claims and why he never had his research verified. All he did again was set up a storm of controversy:
http://sciencecircle.org/index.php/science-news/68-scorn-over-claim-of-telepo...
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/01/it_almost_makes_me_disbelieve.php
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927951.900-why-we-have-to-teleport-di...
There is a reason that research needs to be verified by independent sources.
This is not to say that Montagnier was completely off base. Everything has a frequency. But as the last link states that I posted above, the equipment that Montagnier used would not have been able to detect these frequencies, which just further added to the controversy.
All of this is for naught if you run 666 Hz with a sine wave. Sine waves do not produce harmonics, thus the 2000 Hz harmonic is NOT produced.
You have never mentioned this to your followers who ask you about using Rife machines and 666 Hz. Probably because you have no clue. You really don't.Already went over this above.
Stop while you are ahead, Hv. This self-destruction of your credibility is just plain embarrassing to witness.I am not the one posting links that say nothing about what is being claimed and then try to claim that unverified claims are absolute evidence. So I am not the one losing the credibility here.
edit: I forgot to mention an important point. If running an octave (or subharmonic) of 1000Hz can cure cancer, why not just run 1000Hz itself? I have tested the frequency 1000 Hz extensively, both in a sine wave and a square wave, and have found it to have not as much effect as a 666 Hz square wave. The reason is that when you run the frequency 666.666 Hz as a square wave, the third harmonic 2000 Hz is like a 1000 Hz being modulated by a second 1000 Hz wave, along with the hundreds of harmonics of the original 666 Hz wave. The modulation is obviously critical to the effect, then.Once again, if you understood the concept of why Rife's frequencies really worked then you would 1" Understand why 666hz, not 666.666hz was being used and 2. Why it had nothing to do with disrupting cell membranes and 3. That the supposed harmonics of bacteria are irrelevant.
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This is a reply to # 1,865,278
Hveragerthi said "
Wrong again. There are a lot of hypotheses as to the origin of 666 including that they represent letters (www), not numbers. And the reference in revelation was shown to be some other number, not 666. But it was Hollywood that popularized 666 as the "mark of the beast"."Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. KJV
And Revelation says count the number of the beast and I don't see Hollywood anywhere in the verse.
600 + three score (a score is 20 so threscore is 3X20) 60 and six = 666
Next time just read the Holy Bible it was clear
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This is a reply to # 1,864,455>- First of all she was making wild claims about parasites being the cause of various diseases including diseases
Are you even aware that the lowly virus is a parasite? As are most bacteria, protozoa, and fungi that live within our bodies.
>- in her first book she had incomplete schematics as well as she states any frequency above I think it was 32,000hz.
My copy did not say this, at least as I recall, I loaned it out and never got it back.
Additionally, I have rarely seen any book where the second addition was identical to the first. Have you never heard of a work in progress.
>- really discredited the field including Tesla, Lakhovsky, Moray and Rife
I included Rife and others, just did not have the time to mention all.
>- I have seen many of these lists include a known cancer causing frequency on many of the "cancer treatment" frequencies
Great, share your great wisdom with us and expose those frequencies. I for one am always eager to hear true scientific evidence to the contrary.
>- many of the frequencies are simply being made up.
Possibly, but not likely. Some of the frequencies were determined using inaccurate equipment. I have seen some so called Rife generators off by a factor of 10. Many of these units do not specify their accuracy or their resolution.
>- Rife unit out of Germany. The list had different frequencies
Not familiar with that unit but just because they have a different set of frequencies, it does not necessarily mean that either is wrong. Just like the study that I posted does not match the original Rife frequencies does not make either wrong.
>- they were off by one number each.
Yes, older equipment, especially equipment of the 1930's was not as accurate as some of what we have today.
Go back to the Clark's original claim of any frequency between a few Hz and a few hundred kHz will have an effect that will kill some parasites eventually.
Think about it, if a parasite has a resonant frequency of 396,000 Hz, then it is likely to be affected by 99 kHz, 24,750 Hz, 6187.5 Hz, 1546.875 Hz,386.71875 Hz, and so forth. The fact is that for and one resonant frequency, there are many others that can produce ringing at that frequency. Also, note that in many cases, the frequency need not be exact, it can be off by a fair amount and still cause sufficient ringing.
>- These fixed frequency units can be built and for less than $100.00 each
A simple unit such as the ultimate zapper can be built and put into a good professional package for less than $40. We sell out cheapest unit for $64.00 and it is a quality built dual frequency unit with a 5 year warranty because people use it. Our more expensive models are more expensive because of cost of microprocessors and more accurate parts. We provide better than 0.2 percent accuracy in our most popular models.
>- personally would never buy a commercial unit since they are more overpriced fluff than functional.
Agtain, your choice to remain ignorant of the truth because it is easier. You also seriously err in that statement because not every product is overpriced and not all are fluff. I will agree that there are real fluff out there and I have posted about some of them in the past. What you miss again is that there is being progress made. If you bothered to read the study that I posted, there is real and valid research there with answers that vindicate the theory while coming up with different frequencies.
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>- First of all she was making wild claims about parasites being the cause of various diseases including diseases
Are you even aware that the lowly virus is a parasite?Actually you are wrong. Viruses are not even considered alive let alone a parasite. It is these bogus type claims that keep giving alternative medicine a bad name.
As are most bacteria, protozoa, and fungi that live within our bodies.
Still wrong unless you are completely changing the definition of parasite to fit your needs. Otherwise, by the accepted scientific definition you are wrong.
>- in her first book she had incomplete schematics as well as she states any frequency above I think it was 32,000hz.
My copy did not say this, at least as I recall, I loaned it out and never got it back.Well, if it was the first book then we had the same copy and as I said she did not give complete schematics and she DID NOT specify a frequency. This is why so many people were on message boards complaining about her first book.
Additionally, I have rarely seen any book where the second addition was identical to the first. Have you never heard of a work in progress.Have you heard of first copy, which is what I had? Maybe she made the corrections by the time you got your copy.
>- really discredited the field including Tesla, Lakhovsky, Moray and Rife
I included Rife and others, just did not have the time to mention all
>- I have seen many of these lists include a known cancer causing frequency on many of the "cancer treatment" frequencies
Great, share your great wisdom with us and expose those frequencies. I for one am always eager to hear true scientific evidence to the contrary.You are? Since when? You have ignored all the evidence I have presented on the "Liver Flush Debate" forum, and have never posted any real evidence yourself. The one I am really interested in is how you think they obtain magnesium sulfate from calcium carbonate derived from seawater as you claimed. If you can explain that process then you deserve the Nobel Prize for achieving the impossible!!!
>- many of the frequencies are simply being made up.
Possibly, but not likely. Some of the frequencies were determined using inaccurate equipment. I have seen some so called Rife generators off by a factor of 10. Many of these units do not specify their accuracy or their resolution.It does not matter if they are off or not as you claim when they are wrong in the first place.
>- Rife unit out of Germany. The list had different frequencies
Not familiar with that unit but just because they have a different set of frequencies, it does not necessarily mean that either is wrong. Just like the study that I posted does not match the original Rife frequencies does not make either wrong.If you knew anything about electrotherapy, cancer and its origins then you would know why it works. Hint, it is not the frequency that is doing it.
>- they were off by one number each.
Yes, older equipment, especially equipment of the 1930's was not as accurate as some of what we have today.Funny thing is that the one frequency was right on. The other two were only off by one each, so pretty accurate. But still way different than the made up frequencies being passed around on frequency lists.
Go back to the Clark's original claim of any frequency between a few Hz and a few hundred kHz will have an effect that will kill some parasites eventually.
Think about it, if a parasite has a resonant frequency of 396,000 Hz, then it is likely to be affected by 99 kHz, 24,750 Hz, 6187.5 Hz, 1546.875 Hz,386.71875 Hz, and so forth. The fact is that for and one resonant frequency, there are many others that can produce ringing at that frequency. Also, note that in many cases, the frequency need not be exact, it can be off by a fair amount and still cause sufficient ringing.Think about it, if frequencies can kill parasitic cells then some frequencies will also be able to kill human cells, which is why accuracy and not "any frequency" is important.
And again, the effects Rife was getting was not really from "ringing". If that were the case then Rife would not have narrowed his list of frequencies down to a few related frequencies. Instead there would have been thousands of different frequencies to match the rate of the thousands of different pathogens, parasites, etc.
If Rife could have continued his work then maybe he would have one day stumbled upon the key as to why different frequencies were not needed for different diseases. As we can see he was already on his way by narrowing down his original frequency list.
>- These fixed frequency units can be built and for less than $100.00 each
A simple unit such as the ultimate zapper can be built and put into a good professional package for less than $40. We sell out cheapest unit for $64.00 and it is a quality built dual frequency unit with a 5 year warranty because people use it. Our more expensive models are more expensive because of cost of microprocessors and more accurate parts. We provide better than 0.2 percent accuracy in our most popular models.I would not touch a Zapper. Again Clark had nothing on Rife or any of the other researchers that actually had a clue what they are doing such as Tesla and Moray. This is why she could not supply complete schematics for her device to begin with, nor could she specify a frequency and the basis for it. In fact, so many of the claims she made in her books were nothing more than bogus garbage. So I would not rely on anything she said. Ironically, the herbs she chose are known for fighting cancer, but not because of anything to do with parasites.
>- personally would never buy a commercial unit since they are more overpriced fluff than functional.
Agtain, your choice to remain ignorant of the truth because it is easier.If you want to get in to personal attacks and start discussing ignorance I will be happy to link a number of your posts from the "Liver Flush Debate" forum where I have been royally kicking your butt with REAL facts and evidence.
You also seriously err in that statement because not every product is overpriced and not all are fluff.
Obviously you don't have a clue what the definition of my statement is. If something is being presented as a healing device when it is based on bogus research it is already by definition over priced and fluff. Just like having a car salesman sell you a Ferrari at full price based on looks and all the toys just to find out that the car has no engine.
I will agree that there are real fluff out there and I have posted about some of them in the past. What you miss again is that there is being progress made.
Yes, progress is being made such as finding out that multiple frequencies are not needed and that there was a related basis between the three frequencies Rife chose to keep. That was a major progression. And hopefully in the future it will lead to the production of single fixed frequency devices that actually work and are cheap enough for everyone to afford. No fancy fluff like digital readouts, multiple frequencies with books to list them all, etc.
If you bothered to read the study that I posted, there is real and valid research there with answers that vindicate the theory while coming up with different frequencies.
LOL!!!! I did read it as well as another you missed. Unfortunately, you did not understand the study nor its implications, which is where the real problem lies. For example, did you realize that they never claimed anyone was cured by this method? And that the "median overall survival was 6.7 months"? Chemotherapy can achieve those results, and chemotherapy is quackery. Again, you need to not only read what you are posting but also understand it!!!
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This is a reply to # 1,864,867>- Viruses are not even considered alive let alone a parasite
Your ignorance shows. A virus is the ultimate obligatory parasite according to the definition.
A parasite is any organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, for at least some part of its life, from the body of which it obtains nutriment or some form of its sustenance.
While a virus can not live on its own, it does qualify as a parasite.
>- she did not give complete schematics and she DID NOT specify a frequency
I am aware of the controversy. You however, have NEVER made any mistakes or omissions.
>- Have you heard of first copy, which is what I had
Yes, that is usually why second editions are published. So, why don't or didn't you sue her for such horrendous omissions. From your attitude and remarks, she obviously caused you serious pain and suffering.
>- Since when?
Always when real, true, legitimate evidence is presented. However, I m not going to be buffaloed by some of the junk that you present as evidence.
>- You have ignored all the evidence I have presented on the " Liver Flush Debate" forum,
You have not posted anything but anecdotal claims. If you consider that to be evidence, I am glad that you are not a member of the judicial system.
>- The one I am really interested in is how you think they obtain magnesium sulfate from calcium carbonate derived from seawater as you claimed.
Once again, the master of smoke and mirrors, you entirely misrepresent what I said. The magnesium is obtained from magnesium salts. Alchemy does not work in any economical sense. Elements can not be changed unless bombarded with highly energized nuclear particles or by fission. Magnesium is also a component of seawater, since you are obviously unaware.
>- if they are off or not as you claim when they are wrong in the first place
Another twisting of the facts. Some of the frequencies may well be off by a few Hz and some may not. However, the feedback that I have received is that zappers, Rife, and other electro-therapy devices do work very well in most cases. I publised statistics and the FDA called our customers looking for errors in our claims. They did find that our customers do have good results and as a result, classify our products as CLASS III devices when used on humans, along with pacemakers and dialysis machines.
I will state specifically that frequency therapy does work and due to the natural resonances involved, each organism has its own frequency and organelles within an organism will have their own frequencies as well.
>- knew anything about electrotherapy, cancer and its origins then you would know why it works
I do know plenty about electro-therapy, cancer, and its origins. I know enough to know that there is not just one modality involved, but several, each having an additive effect. As is well known, I managed to zap my own cancer and some frequencies did not work, and others did.
>- some frequencies will also be able to kill human cells
Yes, this one reason why she gave a range in her second edition and all later books. However, while some human cells do have resonances within the range but there is an aspect of the human cell that makes it somewhat impervious to these frequencies. That is the difference between the cells of higher lifeforms have a flexible cell membrane where many lower organisms have rigid cell walls or semi-rigid membranes. Flexible cell walls just shimmy like a balloon.
>- If that were the case then Rife would not have narrowed his list of frequencies down to a few related frequencies
This just goes to show that Rife did not find all of the answers and most likely did not investigate square waves but mostly centered his work around sinusoidal waves.
>- would not touch a Zapper
Your loss. Many people suffer great loss by not trying things. What you do not know can hurt. That aside, I agree that Rife is in general better if you can afford it.
>- the herbs she chose are known for fighting cancer, but not because of anything to do with parasites
A seriously misguided idea. Wromwood and Green tincture of walnut have been known to have anti-parasitic properties from centuries ago. Use of Wormwood dates back to before 1500 B.C., and evidence of Wormwood 's anti-parasitic use by Egyptian herbalists was found on papyrus from around this time.
>- If Rife could have continued his work then maybe he would have one day stumbled upon the key as to why different frequencies were not needed for different diseases.
Yes, but even better, he might have come to the realization that more could be accomplished with multiple frequencies and might have even delved deeper into square waves and harmonics.
>- where I have been royally kicking
Your opinion only and what you present as facts is not just questionable, it is mostly anecdotal garbage. You have not posted even one single peer reviewed study that showed negative results for flushing. Sadly for you, you rate yourself much higher than others do.
Additionally, either you are retired with lots of spare time and nothing better to do, or you are paid to be here posting your bunk. This is easy to tell from the hours of time you spend putting all of your bunk out there. I noticed that only 2 of 15 agreed with your post "Would you like a Liver Flush with that colon cleanse? ", my ratings are much higher. As a matter of point, most of your posts have very little positive votes and a large number of negative votes, so what you consider kicking but is fluff.
>- when it is based on bogus research it is already by definition over priced and fluff
Once again, the even FDA could not find any evidence that our products do not work. What they found was lots of very satisfied customers. At least one of their agents accused us of hypnotizing our customers. The fact is that while not perfect, the zapper does have at least a reasonable level of effectiveness for certain applications. We certainly have solid proof that it can kill microbes living in water. We also have plenty of data to show that some microbes are killed quicker at one frequency while others are more susceptible to other frequencies.
On top of that it was not an effort to make a personal attack, but to point out that to the great majority of people here, you not only appear to be narrow minded, but portray the image of close mindedness. I will say that I have seen a few changes in what you say on a few topics since you first appeared on these forums. That is welcome, but your pretending that you have all of the answers because you have read a few pages of Rife, Bare, Lahovsky, or others, does not cut it. I have been living, breathing, and eating Electro therapy for the past 11 years to the tune of 12 to 16 hours a day. I do not just read, I have a lab and test it. Since Rife, Clark, and whoever else is not here, others like myself are pursuing the badly needed answers. No, I am not the only one and qiute possibly not the best. But at least, I am doing and making progress.
>- did you realize that they never claimed anyone was cured by this method
Yes, I do not claim cures either. All that I claim is that my products kill germs in water.
>- Chemotherapy can achieve those results
Look again, what they were receiving was palliative. They were on their death bed and had exhausted their chemo / radiation options. If they had been given this treatment early on as their primary therapy, they would have fared much better.
Please do not take what I say as a personal attack because that is not what is intended. You have a habit of taking certain things that you read as gospel and in your fervor spread a lot of poorly based misinformation. Learn to open you mind and give the things that you are hard set against at least a bit of study. While I think that you are definitely smart, educated, and somewhat knowledgeable, there are many things that you are overlooking. Your efforts would be more effective and much better appreciated if you would delve into things further before slamming the door in denial.
I do want to express that while I know that some of Dr. Clark's early work had definite shortcomings, she did try to make corrections in her later writings and for this I give her Kudos. She opened the door for many of us into a number of aspects of our health and made us think about things. I have a lot of research still left to do and could do it sooner if I did not have to spend so much time on these forums undoing the damage that has been caused by others who have posted either poorly based information or intentionally try to provide bad information.
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I bought "The Cure For All Diseases" when it first came out in 1995. I'd had prostate cancer (lab verified, scheduled for surgery then cancelled) and was looking for a cure. (Eventually ate raw garlic by the hand full and my last PSA was .7.) I'm not very bright but bright enough to recognize that she had bigger problems than I did. Had personally used the "gallbladder flush" identical to Clark's well before she published anything about it.
You two are trash talking each other a lot and while I see points on both sides would rather see less trash. Bottom line regarding Clark and her Zapper - she died of cancer. Why couldn't she cure herself? Didn't she have the "right" frequency? I think that its all the proof anyone needs that her zapper is as big a fake as she was.
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/hulda-clark-died-of-cancer/
Hulda Clark Died of Cancer
Notorious cancer quack, Hulda Clark, died recently. However, it was not made public at the time that Clark, who claimed to have the cure for all cancers (and later the cure for all disease) died of cancer.
Her death certificate, which is now public, shows a contributing factors in her death to be multiple myeloma – a form of blood cancer. The immediate cause was listed as anemia, with hypercalcemia – both can be caused by multiple myeloma.
Clark was personally responsible for much human suffering and misery, and she lured in countless victims with her quackery and her false claims for a cure of cancer. She, of course, also tried to scare patients away from standard therapy for cancer. Of course, she herself had to die eventually of something, and cancer is the second leading cause of death, so it is not much of a coincidence that she died of cancer.
I doubt this fact will put much of a dent in the cancer quackery industry – an industry that does not trade much on evidence and reason to begin with, but rather fear, distrust, desperation, and false hope.
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