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Anne_33
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July the 2nd my hubby had a 4 wheeler accident that left a big gash in his left upper thigh
he had to be air lifted to UT hospital in Knoxville because they didnt know if he had head or internal injuries since he wasnt wearing a helmet and the fact that he got thrown from the ATV
they stitched him up ( 15 ) and sent him home ..no Antibiotics or anything other than a few pain pill scriipt
well a few days later after daily dressing changes I took him to see his regular doctor on that friday the 8th because it seemed like it was getting infected and the odor was pretty bad
doc agreed and gave him tetracycline and more pain meds
saturday when I got home from work I walked into the bedroom to change his dressing and the odor bout knocked me down
I called the nurse at UT and she said get him to ER that he needed IV Antibiotics asap
so I took him to local ER which they did nothing but refer us back up to UT
we have been here since Saturday night
doc said it was an abcsess/ulcer now and needed to be cleaned out ..started him on IV clindamycin
they done surgery to clean out the wound Sunday and left it as an open wound with gauze packed down inside of it which will heal with each dressing change
turns out they sent culture off to see what kind of bacteria it is that was growing in there ,well today the doc came in and said it was a different bacteria than what they were treating him for
think she said he had gram positive and they were treating him for gram negative ..I could have that backwards
so they will be adding another Antibiotic later on this evening and may have to consult with infectious disease specilists to see exactly what kind of Antibiotic it will take to kill off the bacteria
I gave him ehcinacea the whole time although I couldnt get him turned on to raw garlic
thing is he didnt really have a chance ..they told me that when he left the hosp the first time that he had a 50/50 chance of it getting infected but they wanted to see if he would heal up on his own first .. since Antibiotics are creating superbugs they didnt want to give him any
they only told me this yesterday ! not when it happened
I told him that when he gets home he can plan on drinking lots of fresh juice to help him heal whether he likes it or not and he said okay this time
what else can I do to help him ?
charcoal packs ? bentinite ? I am so confused at this point as to what to do ...tried to do what they said but apparently it didnt work to well
they are letting him eat whatever he wants and giving him cokes to drink per his request ..its ridiculous the food that they serve here and expect people to get well
they are super nice though and seem to know what they are doing as this is one the better horrispitals in the area ..needless to say we dont like being here and he is so ready to go home ..it is breaking us financially for us both to be outta work and me having to eat here cause the prices are ridiculous ..
I will be the one that will have to change his dressing when we go home and if its not done right it can leave and air pocket in there and that in itself can set up infection
his wound looks so gross and painful ..
any advice ?
thanks so much
Anne_33
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,834,432I just have a minute... I have my grandson with me today and he is anxious to get back outside.
Here are a couple of links where you may find helpful information:
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- Re: need advice for hubby please Willowley
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Anne, so sorry you're having to go through this!
I was going to say Slippery Elm & Aloe Vera but I saw that Uny has posted that in the post Water linked you to.
--#3 The external battle. A poultice made of Slippery Elm Bark powder & aloe gel. You can get both the organic Slippery Elm Bark AND a pure, VERY high quality Aloe gel at Mountain Rose herbs here: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/index2.html
She would need only 1/4# of Slippery Elm and the smallest size Aloe Gel they sell :)
(note: this WILL work without the aloe, but there's no reason to do with without the aloe. Aloe contains a substance called allantoin, which is a cell regenerator...and the addition of aloe will likely ensure that there is no scar at all - or it will be very minimal).
If you have fresh aloe plants available, that would be even better - simply slice open several leaves and "filet" off the mucilaginous (slimy) inner gel) and use that to blend with the powder to make the poultice.
It is VERY RARE to find a quality aloe gel on ANY shelf (health market or otherwise). This is likely one of THE most demented/misrepresented products on the market. A bottle can say "Contains 98% PURE Aloe Gel" and contain virtually NO aloe gel at all. Of course, the 2-3% of aloe gel that IS in the bottle IS "98% pure"...but what we need is an aloe gel that is 98% ALOE!
She would blend the Slippery Elm Bark powder with the aloe gel to get a consistency a bit moister than Play-Dough. Then saturate the wound with Echinacea Tincture (this will burn because of the alcohol in the tincture, and then it will feel 'tingly-numb' for about a half an hour (Echinacea has a numbing effect). Then pack the Slippery Elm poultice completely into the wound thoroughly (slippery elm is VERY soothing and soft - this will likely feel wonderful) and pack it on & about the entire area like a 'mud pack' around 1/8-1/4" thick. Once it dries (which may take 4-6 hours, depending upon how thick/wet the poultice is...use a hair dryer on low to speed the process. Tuck a toilet paper tube under the breast to keep the breast elevated, if necessary/appropritate). This poultice/pack will the stay on and adhere almost completely to the skin (some might flake off around the edges)...and she won't have to concern herself with it for a few days. The poultice will actually absorb into the skin, and when the healing is done, the 'leftover' will fall way. She does NOT remove the poultice and reapply daily, just let it stay there and work it's healing...which it WILL do.
Put the 'leftover' in a small jar and put it in the refrigerator, then it will be ready for when she needs/wants to add more to the area (it may crack in places depending upon the location...just keep packing the cracks with more of the poultice blend).
Tell her to do her best to avoid the area entirely when bathing (putting something on it to keep it dry would be great) - but if it gets wet or crumbles away, just pack more Slippery Elm/Aloe onto the poultice.I don't know that they'd let you put a poultice on him in the hospital.....what am I saying lol? Of course they won't! But you can make sure you have what you need to start on it as soon as you get him home. Juicing and Echinacea (lots of it) will be very healing for him too.
You'll both be in my prayers Anne.
Blessings,
Willow
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thanks so much for the info and of course taking the time for me today both of you !
its gonna be a rough time ahead I am sure ..I have a picture of the wound so you could see what I am gonna have to deal with but it is on my Cell Phone so I cant really put it on here that way or I havent figured it out yet that is ..
but I could send it in text to someone
it is awful looking of course and to know that I have to be the one to pack the gauze down in it is something I am not looking forward to doing
can he take the echinacea along with the antibiotic? I am thinking he can but wanna be sure before hand ya know
I know he wont like me putting it on the wound for sure with all the burning it will cause
everytime they change the dressing he has to have a shot of morphine
I have some slippery elm on hand but will have to get the aloe
man I tell ya ..money sure is gonna be tight around here but will do what I can do to make sure he gets what he needs to heal up
when we do leave here we will have to come back within so many days for a follow up too and am wondering how I am gonna do this without being found out ...hehe
oh its getting late and I am gonna get some rest and think about everything like the how to's and stuff
thanks again
hugs
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...if this is some kind of Superbug like MRSA, the "standard" slippery elm/aloe may need to wait a bit (or need to have stronger anti-bacterial herbs added to it). If it's MRSA, then garlic is essential.
Questions:
-- what is the name of the bacteria or bacterias that is/are causing the infection?
-- regarding this >>>when we do leave here we will have to come back within so many days for a follow up too and am wondering how I am gonna do this without being found out ...hehe <<<
IS there ANY possibility that (when he's discharged) he'll ditch the various creams/ointments/bandages and various drugs they'll send him home with and decide to heal this effectively naturally? Because "you" can't dictate his decisions (of course). And doing Natural Healing "half-assed" in a situation like this is certainly not *optimal* (as in, not being able to depend upon the results - not to mention huge conflicts with the docs and the "heads up" below)
To heal this naturally, raw garlic internally IS NECESSARY (it's not optional). If he'll do it, start immediately working up to 9 cloves daily, and then push it to 12 (1-2-3 cloves at a time as he can tolerate it).
Echinacea doesn't cause any kind of strange chemical interaction with drugs, but because of the way it works, taking it with certain drugs can increase/decrease the amount of the drug in the bloodstream.
You likely want to be SURE that they're not giving him any fluoroquinolone (fluoridated) Antibiotics (if you/he doesn't want to risk being disabled). Find the complete list here: http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm_antib.html
Here's a copy (but not a full list of names for each, you'll have to go the website for the clickable links)
Generic Name Common Name
Ciprofloxacin Cipro
Enoxacin Penetrex
Flucloxacillin Click here for a list of names
Gatifloxacin Tequin
Gemifloxacin mesylate Factive
Grepafloxacin HCI Raxar
Levofloxacin Levaquin
Linezolid Click here for a list of names
Lomefloxacin Maxaquin
Moxifloxacin HCL Avelox
Norfloxacin Noroxin
Ofloxacin Floxin
Sparfloxacin Zagam
Temafloxacin Omniflox (removed from market)
Trovafloxacin mesylate Trovan
If you need to learn about the harm they can do, look here: http://www.fqresearch.org/
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>>>they stitched him up ( 15 ) and sent him home ..no Antibiotics or anything<<<
>>>well a few days later after daily dressing changes I took him to see his regular doctor on that friday the 8th because it seemed like it was getting infected and the odor was pretty bad doc agreed and gave him tetracycline and more pain meds<<<
>>>saturday when I got home from work I walked into the bedroom to change his dressing and the odor bout knocked me down<<<
>>>I called the nurse at UT and she said get him to ER that he needed IV Antibiotics asap...so I took him to local ER which they did nothing but refer us back up to UT<<<
>>>we have been here since Saturday night
doc said it was an abcsess/ulcer now and needed to be cleaned out ..started him on IV clindamycin<<<
>>>turns out they sent culture off to see what kind of bacteria it is that was growing in there ,well today the doc came in and said it was a different bacteria than what they were treating him for think she said he had gram positive and they were treating him for gram negative ...
so they will be adding another Antibiotic later on this evening and may have to consult with infectious disease specilists to see exactly what kind of Antibiotic it will take to kill off the bacteria <<<
>>>..they told me that when he left the hosp the first time that he had a 50/50 chance of it getting infected but they wanted to see if he would heal up on his own first .. since antibiotics are creating superbugs they didnt want to give him any...they only told me this yesterday ! not when it happened<<<
WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING AND GET THYSELF LEGAL COUNSEL ASAP!!! It looks to me like you've got grounds for some type of malpractice suit...at the very least you should be able to recoup 2-3x the total hospital bill for "pain & suffering" (they'd probably offer that much if you even uttered a peep about getting an atty). This has definitely been medically mismanaged, and all you need to do is play your cards right to end up getting some type of settlement. WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN THAT EVERY ONE SAYS (AND HAS SAID) who they are and when they said it. Do that ASAP!!!
Email me the pix and I'll get it/them uploaded for you to post as soon as I can.
Blessings,
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Uny we dont the bacteria as of yet ..thats what we are waiting on - the results of the culture .
is it too late to start writing stuff down ? cause I havent as of yet and I cannot remember who said what at this point cause there have been so many people in and out since then .
the hospital bill will likely be outrageous too ..we only had major med accident insurance that his mom got us and not really sure how much it is gonna cover right now
went home yesterday to run some errands and checked the mail ..and lo and behold we already had a bill from UT for 8700 bucks and another one for 180 and I know thats not the end of em by far
they told us not to put anything antibacterial on it when they sent us home with instructions for him to take a shower daily after 48 hours ( which he did) and notes only said return is redness or draining pus ,which it was already red and although it never drained pus (just clear and blood) it looked awful and deteriorated every day after they sent us home ..
good thing is he is isnt running a fever and there are no red streaks down his leg indicating staff infection
the Antibiotic they have him on now is Cipro ..they changed that yesterday ..still dont know what kind of bacteria it is as of yet but maybe doc will come in today and let us know something
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UPDATE -- DOC CAME IN -said he is on the right Antibiotic for the kind of bacteria ..which they didnt say what kind but she did say that it wasnt a common ,common bacteria but it wasnt rare either and that cipro would take care of it ...they did mention sending him home today if he can tolerate the dressing changes without a morphine shot ,which they will be in here in a few minutes for that .well they just came in to give him his pain meds to let them kick in first so it will be after that ..
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UPDATE !!
nope he cant do it - so will be here until he can but its has healed up by 1cm in 2 days so that is good ..by the way they are wet packing him ...wetting the gauze and pushing it down into the wound then covering with a dry bandage ,then wrapping it up around his leg that e = major pain
told doc about getting him on juices when we get back and she said to add plenty of protein /meats to help his tissue heal and come back , go figure .. I says superfood ! what does u say?
i have pic and video on my digital camera but no way of getting it put on the puter without cord right now
thanks Uny
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This is a reply to # 1,834,730Yikes, this is just horrible, poor man! I agree with Uny....get yourself a good attorney ASAP!!! And document, Document, DOCUMENT!
- Re: Anne's Husbands Leg Wound Anne_33
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yes it is awful ..but believe it or not he is not in any real pain unless they are changing the dressing so the pain meds are slacking off .
I just dont wanna be responsible for him and it get infected again ya know ..thats kinda a big deal
I have a pic of him before infection when they just stitched him up also on my phone ..if ya want me to send that to ya then let me know
I dont even know anything about all this lawsuit stuff but I do know he is getting better though but it will be a while before he can get back to work with a wound like that for sure
is it too late to take names and write down stuff ..there has been so many people come and go lately with shift changes and all ?
thanks
- Re: Anne's Husbands Leg Wound Willowley
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Well at least he isn't in constant pain, that's a blessing for sure.
I'll PM you my email address because my phone is charging right now. If you can email it to me from your phone I'll post it tonight, if you can only text it I'll post it tomorrow when I get to work.
I'd really like to see where he started before the docs once again screwed somebody up!
Hugs,
Willow
- Re: Anne's Husbands Leg Wound Anne_33
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hey I had to send it as picture message..just now read this after I posted the other one
it was big enough to put your fist in before they sowed him up of course ..I seen that mess too ..wished I had taken a photo of it though
thanks again Miss Willowly- More Wound Pictures (+ picture edit/... Willowley
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This is when they stitched it up after the accident, before it got infected.
(Edit - I snagged the image above and lightened/sharpened it a bit so it would be a bit more 'seeable'...below)
This is how they pack it with wet gauze which is very painful.
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This is a reply to # 1,834,432Anne,
I know at times like this, our brain is easily frazzles & 'thinks' don't always get 'thunk through' on the normal channels. So here's a recap:
--The doc/s apparently already know the name of the offending bacteria, so get it from them asap. Write it down and get it to me.
--"They" have made mistakes that not only likely caused the infection (no Antibiotics initially); no topical Antibiotic ointment/cream; one person telling you he needed IV Antibiotics , then another sending you elsewhere; then the wrong Antibiotic for the bacteria, etc. You should write down absolutely everything you remember, and get the rest from his chart in the hospital (if you don't get the data from the chart while he's inpatient, you'll have to pay to get a copy of the chart). Get ALL data from everyplace he's been while it's still easy to get.
--Contact a lawyer that handles medical issues. It's very possible that when this is over and the hospital is contacted by an atty pointing out their mistakes, they'll wipe off the bill (or a percentage) and willingly give y'all 2-5 times the medical bills for 'pain & suffering', lost wages, expenses, etc.
--Let me know what he is willing to do when he gets home and I'll give you the best information I can.
--What would you like from me as far as information and/or suggestions at this point?
Blessings,
Uny- Re: What do you need from me? Re: ne... Anne_33
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hey Uny
sorry I didnt see this earlier ( my internet has been down all weekend )
he got out friday n home health has followed up daily for dressing changes . I had to change it myself yesterday just to show the nurse that I could ..insurance will only pay for 10 visits but they are talking about only coming 1 more time anyways so I dunno
they wouldnt tell me the bacteria when I asked .only said that cipro would take care of it .so I will have to get his chart when I go back up there . his appointment is thursday of this week at the trauma center which is just a couple of buildings away
they didnt know what kind of bacteria it was till the culture came back hence why they thought clyndomicin would cover it so I guess they were hoping that that would work ..not sure
he says he will do anything I ask/tell him but that remains to be seen ..I know he wants to get better so he can go back to work ..the way it looks right now it could take another 2-4 wks before that happens
I will talk with him again about the med lawsuit and see what he says ..he kinda shrugged it off when I mentioned it before . guess its up to him really whether we go forward on that . but I will still get all the info I can for future reference if nothing else .
I know the doc that did his surgery while there and a couple of the nurses ( first name only) but most all that info should be in his records right ? I am curious to find out what kind of bacteria he had anyways as that could give a clue to where it came from .
my lovely mother in law has been a blessing through all this ..she is helping us pay our bills right now n without her we wouldnt be making it
I will be working as many hours/days as I can to help
also found out that my older half brother (55) must have cancer or something major going on ..seen where my niece posted on facebook where he is gonna have a lung and kidney removed after chemo and my heart just sank when I read it ..ugh ! I have got to get a hold of her and see what is going on ..havent seen him in over a year .
hope all this makes sense ..kinda tired right now as its been a long day and I havent checked for typos
thanks so much for the reply
hugs
Anne_33
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'Glad to hear he's home and y'all are hangin' in there.
To me, not insisting on knowing what the bacteria is and not contesting the Cipro (a fluoridated antibiotic well-known to cause a vast array of adverse-effects including full/partial disability and the inability to walk/work for years - link given previously), especially without knowing if there's any possible rational reason for it and demanding an alternative (or utilizing natural antibiotics) is illogical, irresponsible & dangerous.
>>>he says he will do anything I ask/tell him but that remains to be seen ..I know he wants to get better so he can go back to work ..the way it looks right now it could take another 2-4 wks before that happens<<<
It could be 2-4 months or 2-4 years if he has a common reaction to the Cipro. I suggest going back to the link I offered and reading the posts/stories outloud to him, as well as reading FQ Survivors early posts (FQ stands for fluoroquinolone, which is what Cipro is), as well as his posts under the User ID: wormaway...he's been unable to work/walk or even play the guitar for six years due to poisoning by this drug class (and his experience is NOT uncommon). With your husband's drinking (and what must be considerable liver compromise), he's likely a 'higher risk', and heaven only knows the adverse effects to his future health and ability to work, thrive, and live.
Using only common knowledge and a few natural substances, even a newbie (with virtually no knowledge of Natural Healing) could not have created this health destroying & painful disaster from a wound/tear requiring only 15 stitches. It breaks my heart whenever I hear of this, but to see it happen to someone that's been posting over 8 years on CZ...honestly, it just makes my entire body & soul nauseated. CZ = "Education instead of Medication"...but it doesn't seem like many people are being educated (and/or those that are, are not paying attention).
Folks, when we opt to put our very lives in the hands of the first leading cause of death in the US, it's only "natural" that we would end up worse than when we walked in the door. If we don't have the common sense (or love & care about our bodies & life enough) to avoid allopathic medicine once we read & comprehend the facts (that by their OWN statistics, they ARE the first leading cause of death in the USA...and that that fact DOES apply to every person), then, well...offering our wounded body to them is like slicing into an artery and jumping into a school of sharks...and expecting to come out undamaged and healed. There will ALWAYS be damage done - the only question is 'how much'.
Anne, if there's any information I can offer that you/hubby will utilize, please let me know and I'll do my best to give you good, healing information.
Blessings always,
Unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,837,391thanks Uny
but he knows full well the dangers of taking fq Antibiotics . I have even showed him youtube videos of people that have had bad reactions but as usual he doesnt think it can happen to him . he has gone through all of this not really caring what they gave him as long as he gets well and since he is doing fine with it then he sees no reason to quit it and try something else ( SIGH !! ) you cant make someone do something they dont wanna do for sure so I just shut up n let him take his own route on this one . since he only has 3 days left of taking em I doubt very seriously I will be able to change his mind now .
they gave him lovinox (blood thinner) shots while in the hospital too to prevent blood clots while bedbound
and the nexium 40 mg that he swears he cant live without even though I have told him the consequences of taking it especially long term .. but he would rather take it than change his diet n lose weight so that he no longer needs it
they changed the way his wound is dressed now ..using a petroleum (don't like that idea ) gauze strip on it then dry dressing on top and then tape .. it is filling up from the bottom up and the wet packing is no longer required . said everything looked good and that he was healing up just fine .
he is still not smoking right now and obviously not drinking so that is good ..they told him it would take longer to heal if he smoked so he has been really good at not doing that ..but did buy him some nicotine lozenges the other day at the drug store for $35 ..bad idea but once again he bought em so what can I do .has yet to use them though..he is saving those for when he goes back to work .
its not my fault he is choosing to do it this way though ..the old saying goes " you can lead a horse to water but ya can't make him drink " is still true
since his mom has taken em and said Cipro is good."take what they give you son ". and my dad is saying " oh yeah thats a good Antibiotic ..that will knock out that infection in no time son " " I have taken cipro many times son " well whats a wife to do with influences like that ?
all I can say is thank God he is getting better !
Anne_33
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