nerve sensations and constipation are both signs of dehydration.
You're probably right for numerous reasons - especially since I feel like I drink and drink water, but it does not feel like it's traveling to the outer tissues very well.
Guess the next question is - If I'm drinking enough water, at least 64 oz a day, then what aids in water distribution?
I took more Mag recently and it seemed to help move the bowels better yesterday. I've read a Cal deficiency can mimmick similar symptoms, but I feel like I'm missing something.
Over the years, my eyes have become more and more dry - I can feel it. Blinking doesn't help, putting drops of normal saline helps for 1 minute, but there's some root issue that's probably causing it.
Also consider B12 deficiency as a possible cause of tingling sensation.
Thanks Mike! I regularly take different forms of methylated B12, including sublingual. I feel like it dries my eyes out more though. I haven't found a version of B12 that I can truly say I feel made a difference. I've tried B12 with other B vitamins and some with TMG as well. Any other ideas?
agree with T and Mike re: dehydration and B12 and I also think that you are experiencing transient hypothyroidism due to iodine excess AND/OR constipation... this is well documented in the literature, as an initial reaction to high-dose iodine supplementation and also as a more long lasting state(although GENERALLY this state will resolve when the "excess" iodine is removed). There is a lot of misinfo out there on the subject, most notably, the "wolff- chaikoff effect. I will give you the research that I have found on the subject, I will leave it to you to analyze/debate it.
Constipation and peripheral neuropathy are both symptoms of a hypothyroid state.
IMO, the constipation needs to be addressed post-haste. There's a ton of info on CZ as far as ways to resolve constipation. I personally would address this with lots of raw fruits and vegetables and a nice glass of prune juice(with a paper umbrella in it).
I would remove all processed foods. I would eliminate gluten from the diet. I would eat fermented foods. Have some good-quality animal protein. And yes, lots of water(with a little salt in it).
A cure for hypothyroid due to intestinal causes that I've read about in an old medical text consists of eating apples and drinking buttermilk for 3-4 days. Makes perfect sense as many cases of hypothyroid are due to dysbiosis/dysbacteriosis.
As far as io-supping, I am a proponent of starting low and elevating dosage slowly. By doing that you can monitor detox/symptoms and adjust dosage accordingly. A lot of people disagree with me on that, most notably Trapper, I don't care, I love him anyway.
Some people have found it beneficial to pulse the dose, as in 5 days on, 2 off, 4 days on, 3 off, etc.
I know that you've been around for awhile, I don't know the particulars of your io-history though. Actually, I'm just too lazy to look it up:)
Now, links/info galore, in no particular order:
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From "The Comprehensive Handbook of Iodine" re: hypothyroid and peripheral neuropathy due to iodine excess, see pages 708, 709:
http://tinyurl.com/3tn3bky
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more on iodine/hypo/peripheral neuropathy. Obvious that he's discussing people with severe thyroid/diabetes, etc, but still, one of the few resources I've found that discusses an elevation of these symptoms with increased iodine intake:
http://iodine4health.com/overviews/uses/ford_uses.htm
“Even 1 mg per day, however, is still too high a dosage for about 5-10% of American adults to begin with. It may take months, or even years, for the millions of Americans suffering from more severe thyroid problems and/or “diabetic neuropathy” to get used to eating that much Iodide. This is because as dying peripheral nerves start being revived with more optimal Iodide levels and metabolism, for months or even years, they usually still do not function normally. Instead, they tend to signal to the brain sensations of intense itching and/or phantom pains. To help reduce these very distracting and painful problems, it is more comfortable to start with just ½ mg of Iodide per day. That is about 3 or 4 times as much Iodine as most Americans are currently getting, but it is still a low enough dosage not to overly aggravate the peripheral itching and pain problems.
“Taking ½ mg per day is just enough to noticeably speed up metabolism. In many adults with slower metabolism, it also may temporarily (for a few weeks) increase the pulse rate. As I just mentioned, people with long standing hypothyroidism, and/or poorly controlled Type II diabetes, are likely to experience an intensification of any itching they may already be suffering from in their feet, legs, hands, arms, etc. This itching is commonly called “diabetic neuropathy”, but it is usually caused more by hypothyroidism, than by diabetes. Taking Iodide tends to intensify the symptoms (itching and numbness) because in counteracting the hypothyroidism, it also restores more normal nerve metabolism. As more normal metabolism is restored, peripheral nerve cells that had been damaged, or nearly killed, from slow metabolism, start reviving. As they revive, they usually keep functioning abnormally for months or even years, and therefore send increasing amounts of abnormal signals to the brain. Those renewed and intensified signals are often experienced as intense itching and/or pains. The only good thing about this is that it occurs because the nerves are still alive, and are starting to get better. As they recover, the nerves eventually start acting more normally, and the pains and itching gradually go away. Unfortunately, the greater the damage going in, the longer and more painful the recovery."
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Dr. Stephen Langer, "Thyroid's Effect on Digestion", see 2nd post in thread. I've linked the whole thread because there's stuff on gluten/celiac/candida in there as well:
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1621684
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More on a well functioning thyroid's effect on digestion:
http://iodine4health.com/research/west_2007_constipation.doc
The Thyroid Connection
"Perhaps the next greatest cause of constipation, especially in women, is a sluggish thyroid. Because this condition is so common, is not detected accurately by thyroid blood tests, is aggravated by many prescription drugs, and usually goes untreated for years, it is serious indeed.
Most women who suffer from constipation related to sluggish thyroid have other problems as well. They include but are not limited to: being constantly cold, fatigued, overweight, and mentally sluggish, as well as having dry skin and hair, chronic headaches, frequent urination, and a lack of initiative in life.
You can best judge if you suffer from sluggish thyroid by taking your Barnes underarm temperatures. For at least five mornings, simply place the thermometer under your arm for ten minutes immediately upon arising. If your temperature averages below 97.4, you probably suffer from a sluggish thyroid. If your temperatures are below 97.0, even if your thyroid blood tests are normal, you almost assuredly suffer from sluggish thyroid.
The best way to treat this condition is to flush the toxic halogen molecules (which include fluorine, bromine, and chlorine) from your system, while fulfilling your Iodine needs. Toxic amounts of halogen compounds like bromine, which are found in processed foods, can displace healthy iodine levels in your body. The areas where iodine is needed, such as your thyroid, then suffer.
To eliminate the bromine (and other toxic halogens), you need to utilize iodine fulfillment therapy. This therapy supplies the body’s need for iodine until the body begins to finally release and excrete the toxic molecules and incorporate the iodine. This change in halogens (out with the toxic and in with the iodine) can easily be measured with urine tests.
You also don’t have to be bothered taking these measurements. Simply perform the iodine fulfillment procedure, and the thyroid problem will usually resolve without drugs. And if a sluggish thyroid causes your constipation, this problem will also be resolved naturally."
*edit* more... :)
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-10/IOD_10.htm
"We have had patients note better bowel function. Patients who have been constipated for over ten years have now noted daily bowel movements."
http://iodine4health.com/research/west_2006_fountain_of_youth.doc
"The most consistent responses have been improved memory, absence of ‘brain fog,’ regular bowel movements in those who were constipated, and improved skin texture.”
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-08/IOD_08.htm
"Whole body sufficiency for iodine correlated well with overall wellbeing, and some subjects could tell when they achieved sufficiency even before knowing the results of the test. Iodine sufficiency was associated with a sense of overall wellbeing, lifting of a brain fog, feeling warmer in cold environments, increased energy, needing less sleep, achieving more in less time, experiencing regular bowel movements and improved skin complexion."
agree with T and Mike re: dehydration and B12 and I also think that you are experiencing transient hypothyroidism due to iodine excess AND/OR constipation... this is well documented in the literature, as an initial reaction to high-dose iodine supplementation and also as a more long lasting state(although GENERALLY this state will resolve when the "excess" iodine is removed). There is a lot of misinfo out there on the subject, most notably, the "wolff- chaikoff effect. I will give you the research that I have found on the subject, I will leave it to you to analyze/debate it.
I've read a lot on wolff-chaikoff, etc... I know what you mean about misinfo. I don't know about transient hypothyroidism - it is potentially occuring, but I do pulse dose days on/off and initially started very low dose. At first, I did magnascent in the morning for a while on empty stomach with plenty of water. Then, I added SSKI one drop after 4+ hours to the routine. After a while, I began to pulse dose and not take magnascent or SSKI every few days or on days off from work. Keep in mind that I also included the cofactors along with this protocol like Se, Mag, Tyrosine, Zinc/Copper chelates, etc... I eventually decided to try bigger SSKI doses and increase +1 drop weekly up to 5 or so. After that, my extremeties stopped being cold (EVER), energy increased, sleep improved, mind clearer, life much more rewarding daily, but with slow moving bowels and dry skin, eyes, finger tips. A little background: I work in a hospital and wash my hands a LOT. The tips of my fingers just don't feel like they are hydrated enough. My eyes simly feel like they became dry slowly over time. As the dryness set in, I noticed gradual myopia - but I attribute that to heavy computer use in college, at home, and at work as well.
Constipation and peripheral neuropathy are both symptoms of a hypothyroid state.
Noted. It may be acting in conjunction.
IMO, the constipation needs to be addressed post-haste. There's a ton of info on CZ as far as ways to resolve constipation. I personally would address this with lots of raw fruits and vegetables and a nice glass of prune juice(with a paper umbrella in it).
I would remove all processed foods. I would eliminate gluten from the diet. I would eat fermented foods. Have some good-quality animal protein. And yes, lots of water(with a little salt in it).
I eat fruit after I wake or for lunch, it does help bowel flow. I'll increase veggies that are thyroid agonists. I have no problem with prunes, but may settle for plums at a local market. I have been eating, ahem, more steak and feeling much better.
A cure for hypothyroid due to intestinal causes that I've read about in an old medical text consists of eating apples and drinking buttermilk for 3-4 days. Makes perfect sense as many cases of hypothyroid are due to dysbiosis/dysbacteriosis.
I eat at least an apple a day, but will try the buttermilk too.
As far as io-supping, I am a proponent of starting low and elevating dosage slowly. By doing that you can monitor detox/symptoms and adjust dosage accordingly. A lot of people disagree with me on that, most notably Trapper, I don't care, I love him anyway.
Some people have found it beneficial to pulse the dose, as in 5 days on, 2 off, 4 days on, 3 off, etc.
I know that you've been around for awhile, I don't know the particulars of your io-history though. Actually, I'm just too lazy to look it up:)
Now, links/info galore, in no particular order:
I have a lot to read :)
Dunno for sure but people with diabetis had a terrible time with that as the Iodine woke up those dead nerve endings. Will try benfotaimine to see if helps. Haven't been diagnosed with diabetic symptoms, check blood sugar annually. Could be high insulin? Supposedly, insulin testing is less reliable, especially after meals. I'm leaning toward dehydration as being the #1 issue to address or something that is causing poor systemic hydration. Will try MSM. Hmm.. Should I hit it with MSM then Pau D' Arco following it? |
Anyone with Candida is B1 deficient, you can't add more to your diet since you can't absorb it. You can't inject it because the pathways for it don't exist. Many things get fixed with Benfotiamine including the fact that Candida cannot use this form of B1.
Never heard of benfotiamine til today. How do you know candida can't use it?
I loved Pau D' Arco, mainly because it really works to keep biofilm candida under control. But you need to coffee enema to remove the toxic nucleic acids those Candida all carry.
Never tried coffee enema, is this a colon enema only? Why would an oral intake of any particular element cause the same effect as a coffee enema?
See my post to Trapper below with a link to frqs, or use the Doctrine or stay with Pau D' Arco but you won't win that battle without detox like CEs...
What are CEs?
Re: Newport,Trapper, V,W, et al. wha by Newport 3 year 515
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here is my two cents:
1. How much Mag are you taking? 800mg/day and more is not unreasonable if you have been defficient and it may take awhile to replete yourself.
200mg magnesium/900mg malate x 2 daily, will try more see if improvements occur
I just recently killed a pathogen in my gut and now I take a lot more magnesium then I used to. I realized I could take more than the measly 50mg/day because I started getting constipated. Which hasn't happened in a long time.
I feel like I killed some pathogens and balanced flora post kill. I understand that it's important to balance rather than have a "kill" the pathogen mindstate to achieve co-existence with beneficial gut bacteria.
I feel like Iodine requires more magnesium. I think I was so depleted that I could feel myself tighten up when I took my Iodine dose. I am a bodyworker so I know it when my hands are cramping. Now that I am able to take more mag I don't feel it as much.
I move around a lot and don't feel like food moves through me as it used to, but digestion definitely feels much, much better.
The other thing to consider is when you do your salt push try 1/4 tsp salt and 1/4 tsp KCL Potassium Chloride.....Now brand is nice and cheap. Too much salt alone was making me cramp too...
I just got some natural salt w/ macro-minerals, unwashed and unprocessed. Will see how that works and consider the KCl. What do you think of Grey Sea Salt from - the island of re - France, if you've ever heard of it?
2. Ever done any Liver Flushes ? I kinda got forced into last fall. I started getting a lot of pressure in my gallbladder area. I really think, but of course can't prove, that the iodine started mobilizing stuff in my liver and it couldn't get out. I normally have really dry hands in the winter. I have to wear gloves to wash dishes. This fall before it even got very cold my hands got the driest ever.
Honestly, not a liver flush fan, but I wash my hands more often than most due to hospital setting work.
After a few liver flushes .....not as dry....a couple more...really dry...a couple more...not as dry... couple more and they seem to be staying not as dry
I've increased unprocessed omega-3's in the diet by 1 gram, unexposed to new air/oxygen.
and of course mix the coffee enemas in there with the flushes.
I'll wait on the enemas if other things don't work. I've read up on them.
since you mentioned metals....do you have fillings?
No metal fillings, but I broke a molar on a Jawbreaker of all things earlier in life and it was capped by a dentist with a metalic/steel cap. I call it a sardine can, just haven't had the chance to get it removed. I suspect that it's probably rotten underneath and leaching into tissue at the molar site. Now that I mention it, it's probably infected and causing difficult to detect problems.
It's the second molar on the left, #18. I've seen a lot of charts that state different areas it affect, but if it is an infection - it probably affects all areas of the body. I need to get it fixed.
If they are gone have you done any chelation?
Now that you bring it up, I've only started on MSM, IP6, Selenium, and a few others that chelate or at least disrupt.
those are curiosity questions.....
I have noticed where all of a sudden I can't hold my water, doesn't matter how much I drink. then I chelate for a few days with dmsa and it often gets better again. I am very curious if the Iodine stirs up the metals and if they land in your adrenals and mess up the water balancing hormones....aldosterone I think......
My experience makes me think I in the ballpark on this one...
I'll have to get a hold of some DMSA after reading up on it. Any suggested reading material? Protocols? When and how to take it?
anyway, my two cents.