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Greetings Dan (and everyone, of course :) --

'Sorry about the lost time/data (I never did figure out what exactly happened - 'just another frustrating 'cyber mystery').

I'll be starting with some generalities that I want to make sure you're aware of ...about me & the forum basics, etc; links with 'must read' information (if you're planning on effectively healing yourself and becoming your own doctor); then continuing onto your specific reported issues (and what it seems to me you're dealing with), and then concluding with specific suggestions for healing. There are more links/information scattered throughout the post.

At the very end are some extremely thorough lists of adverse effects from the drugs you were prescribed. When reading through these lists, try to imagine what each drug must have done in the body to cause the hundreds of different adverse actions listed (it's amazing any of us "escaped alive"...I was on Prozac over 15 years).

--Firstly, I always err on the side of 'too much information' rather than too little. When making recommendations, I recommend what I would do for myself (or my husband Rocky53) - leaving no stone left unturned that I can see. I always figure that after spending weeks/months/dollars putting together and utilizing a protocol, no one wants to hear "Well, I thought of that initially, but I didn't want to seem too overwhelming (or too expensive), so I just thought I'd leave it out." :(

Ultimately these long, informative posts of mine end up with thousands of hits - so know I'm not just writing 'for you', I'm writing for thousands of others...and those people may not know what you know (or have any idea what you've experienced)...so please don't think I'm being condescending (or ignorantly repeating things). I'm just doing my best to be the best teacher I know how to be.

Speaking of which, it is teaching that I do...I don't 'write prescriptions' or tell people 'what they need'. I share what I've learned about natural health & healing; do my best to put together 'symptoms & solutions'; and then you depend upon you (and your doctor within) to make all the decisions

There's no such thing as too many questions! :)

--What is "bandaiding a symptom"? It's when our body is experiencing symptoms (symptom = the only way our body has of crying out for our help) and rather than addressing the cause of the symptom, we put a bandaid on it to cover it up so it doesn't bother us. This is common in both allopathic & alternative medicine, and makes about as much sense as putting a piece of duct-tape over the oil light on our dashboard (when it comes on) so we can't see it anymore :( Some people actually refer to this as "healing" :::eyeroll:::. This is what happened to you with the Accutane & Lexapro/Celexa...and not only did the 'bandaids' plow your body with poisons which created symptoms of their own, it's very likely that they have done some damage that needs to be reversed.

--Just so you know, this forum is dedicated to fundamental natural health & healing (based primarily upon the works/teachings of Drs. Gerson, Schulze & Christopher), which is 100% opposite allopathic medicine, and (getting close to being) nearly 100% opposite 'alternative medicine'. Allopathic medicine uses poisons & toxic chemicals, radiation and carving & slicing/splicing the body as their bandaids; alternative medicine uses many bandaid supplements & therapies...mostly based on the same demented "science" (cover up, hide, and squelch the symptoms - while never dealing with the true root causes). Frustratingly, the bandaids of alternative supplements/therapies are many times very toxic to our natural bodies...particularly the "isolated/fractionated substance supplements" (drugs in 'natural' packaging) can be very harmful. There is nothing natural about using a laboratory to isolate one chemical from a plant or animal (stripping it of dozens/hundreds of naturally occurring chemicals & cofactors), putting it in a bottle and using it to bandaid symptoms...and certainly nothing natural about synthetics.

Note: I commonly use Vitamin C/Ascorbic acid as the example here because it's the isolated chemical that most think is THE most innocent & harmless. So, please don't think I'm "picking on you" because you mentioned you use it (but it's even more important that you read these, since you do use it). Check these out:

Unknown Dangers of Vitamin C

The Hidden Dangers of Mega Vitamin C

(other symptoms/studies from just 250-500mg of ascorbic acid daily? hypo/hyperglycemia and lack of B12 :(

This chapter (which includes MANY other examples than just ascorbic acid, and very integral information) is extremely important if you want to know how to avoid many of the pitfalls of alternative medicine: Ascorbic Acid Is Not Vitamin C

Just imagine someone trying to overcome a serious illness with a substance that lowers plasma copper levels, increases plasma iron (lowering the stores); alters blood sugar, depletes B12, harms the arteries and lessens oxygen flow...while using handfuls of other similar isolates (with similar side-effects). It may 'bandaid away' symptoms (even cancer), but it always does it at the expense of harming something else. I call it 'supplement roulette', and I don't recommend playing (nor do I recommend "bandaiding").

What we do on this forum is get down to the cause of the body being compromised and allow the body to use it's own advanced healing schematics to repair itself, while we support the process using foods, juices, herbs & substances that are as natural to the human body as possible (the most unnatural things we use are juices, herbal teas & tinctures...and really, juices aren't truly unnatural because chimpanzees commonly 'juice their produce': Destroying another "juicing myth"! Did you know? (this is cool!))

[late breaking insert - in rereading this before posting it, I realized that I've likely been 'heavy' on all the information about isolated/fractionated supplements above (when you may not require it at this stage of the game). It's just that I've helped SO many people that have spent 10's of thousands of dollars on ND's and toxic supplements, only to end up years later much worse than they ever were, with much more work to do. And I've got this knee-jerk-caring-reaction thing happening that makes we want to prevent it from happening to anybody else! So please pardon me if that was too much information...it came from a caring heart, for sure :)]

One last thing before all the info...I've just got to take a minute to tell you what an impressive man you are (particularly to be only 23!). I've been scanning through your posting history for information about your 'issues', and the one 'issue' that keeps popping up is your willingness & ability to learn and take control of your health and life!

Onward to getting you back in control of your health and life...

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Likely one of the biggest mistakes we all make is referring to the liver as an organ of "elimination" - it doesn't actually "eliminate" in the way we normally perceive the word - the liver transforms, detoxifies & converts poisons into harmless substances. Our kidneys filter & eliminate; we eliminate toxic gasses through our lungs; our skin is the largest organ of elimination, and our intestinal tract is a major eliminator. Hard minerals commonly build up in the kidneys and all kinds of toxins build up in the layers of rubbery, putrefying 'mucoid plaque' in the colon. Here's what the liver does with toxins & poisons:

The liver is one of the most important organs in the body when it comes to detoxifying or getting rid of foreign substances or toxins, especially from the gut. The liver plays a key role in most metabolic processes, especially detoxification. The liver detoxifies harmful substances by a complex series of chemical reactions. The role of these various enzyme activities in the liver is to convert fat soluble toxins into water soluble substances that can be excreted in the urine or the bile depending on the particular characteristics of the end product. Many of the toxic chemicals that enter the body are fat-soluble, which means they dissolve only in fatty or oily solutions and not in water. This makes them difficult for the body to excrete. Fat soluble chemicals have a high affinity for fat tissues and cell membranes, which are composed of fatty acids and proteins. In these fatty tissues of the body, toxins may be stored for years, being released during times of exercise, stress or fasting. During the release of these toxins, several symptoms such as headaches, poor memory, stomach pain, nausea, fatigue, dizziness and palpitations can occur.

The major percentage of blood being filtered by the liver is from the portal vein, which carries blood from the intestines. The liver can remove a broad spectrum of microorganisms such as bacteria, fungi, viruses and parasites from the blood...

The liver neutralizes a wide range of toxic chemicals, both those produced internally and those coming from the environment. The normal metabolic processes produce a wide range of chemicals and hormones for which the liver has evolved efficient neutralizing mechanisms. However, the level and type of internally produced toxins increases greatly when metabolic processes go awry, typically as a result of nutritional deficiencies. These non-end-product metabolites have become a significant problem in this age of conventionally grown foods and poor diets.

Many of the toxic chemicals the liver must detoxify come from the environment: the content of the bowels and the food, water, and air. The polycyclic hydrocarbons (DDT, dioxin, 2,4,5-T, 2,3-D, PCB, and PCP), which are components of various herbicides and pesticides, are on example of chemicals that are now found in virtually all fat tissues measured. Even those eating unprocessed organic foods need an effective detoxification system because all foods contain naturally occurring toxic constituents.

The liver plays several roles in detoxification: it filters the blood to remove large toxins, synthesizes and secretes bile full of cholesterol and other fat-soluble toxins, and enzymatically disassembles unwanted chemicals. This enzymatic process usually occurs in two steps referred to as phase I and phase II. Phase I either directly neutralizes a toxin, or modifies the toxic chemical to form activated intermediates which are then neutralized by one of more of the several phase II enzyme systems.

My point? While it is possible that there is residual Accutane in your liver, it is highly improbable, because Phase I Phase II detoxification of the liver transmutes & neutralizes toxic chemicals with every pass the blood makes through the liver (once every three minutes)...and it's been 3-4 years since you ingested Accutane. What you experienced was clearly the exact same adverse-effects you experienced when taking Accutane orally. BUT, there is a place in your body where there can easily be a huge build-up of Accutane, and that's in your colon.

What substance from the body 'breaks down' fat soluble poisons? Bile

What substance from the body reabsorbs/reassimilates into the bloodstream faster than any other? Bile.

So what happens if you do a liver flush and dump a quart or so of very condensed bile from your liver into your intestines and it seeps through substantial amount of Accutane residue (for hours & hours & hours before being expelled?) An ultra high "dose" of Accutane in your bloodstream (plus a strong dose of whatever else is built up in your colon).

It may seem there's no way (after 3-4 years) that you could possibly have that much Accutane anywhere in your body, but check this out: Journey to the Center of your Colon (be sure to take your time reading that chapter, and be sure to look for the story of the guy who worked in an ammunition/explosives factory and did a colon cleanse 25 years later). And while reading this you'll also understand one of the reasons why you're having trouble maintaining/gaining weight. (Also note, the author suggests 1-2 bms daily is "healthy & normal". WRONG. It's normal for us, like all other animals on the planet, to have a bowel movement about 30 minutes after every meal we eat...and one when we wake up in the morning, and maybe one before we go to sleep. 3-5 bms daily is normal & healthy, not 1-2).

How can this level of build up occur? According to V.E. Irons' theory: V.E. Irons: Colon - Sewer or Cesspool

V. E. Irons explains this in his newsletter as follows:

"When food that is not wholesome or is harmful to the body reaches the stomach, word is immediately sent from the stomach to the mucus manufacturer, warning, 'Get busy, the enemy is on the way!' We know that mucus starts to be produced immediately and the colon is lined with it. 12-18 hours later, when the poisoned or harmful food from the stomach finally enters the colon, the latter is well prepared with a layer of mucus lining it, so that the body does not absorb any of the poison. Were this to happen once or even several times a month, this mucus, having been used, would disintegrate and slowly be discharged from the colon with no harm done.

But it is now certainly apparent that nature never intended that protective mechanism to be used as continuously as it is today . . . The result is that layer on top of layer is secreted until its accumulation thickens to 1/8" to 1/4" thick. Sometimes this layer or layers gets to 3/8" to 1/2" in thickness, becoming as hard and black as a piece of old hardened rubber you see on a highway, torn from a truck tire.

We have had specimens preserved in alcohol from several inches to a few feet in length, while the longest we have had was 27 feet, in one piece. Sometimes it will come out as a pile weighing as much as 11 pounds and continuing to come out for several days to a week.

Regardless of your financial standing, regardless of your past health history, regardless of your age or sex, YOU (meaning the reader and 95% of the USA) do have this hardened mucus in your colon, and you will be amazed by what comes out of you."

Even the United States Health Service, in a rare display of candor, admitted several years ago that 'over 90%' of Americans are walking around with clogged colons. Irons cites the experience of one of the most famous and highly respected surgeons in American history, Dr Harvey Kellogg of Battle Creek, Michigan, who wrote, 'Of the 22,000 operations I have personally performed, I have never found a single normal colon.' And that was back at the turn of the century, long before American eating habits had become completely corrupted by processed, denatured foods as today. As Irons puts it, 'About the only place you see a normal healthy colon today is in an anatomy book!'

Here's the last reading assignment regarding colon cleansing & health (a very important one): Dr Schulze 2001 Bowel Newsletter

Remember while reading, 'constipation' means a 'lack of 3-5 natural, healthy bowel movements daily'...not just someone that has only 1-2 bms weekly (or monthly).

And THAT (once you've read/assimilated it all...whew) is why the order of cleansing our organs is ALWAYS "colon first!" (or at least, cleansing the colon while cleansing the other organs).

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Liver - It seems to me you're already well aware of the need to cleanse and restore the liver...and you should definitely continue doing so (see recommendations below). But until you've got a couple of weeks of colon cleansing under your belt, I don't suggest any massive bile purging...especially when the bile is going to lay around in your colon for 8-12-18 hours to be seeping through a colon full of pharmaceuticals.

You can still be aggressive with your liver if you'd like, and the way to do that is with Coffee Enemas until you've got the IF#1/IF#2 regulated. Not only do Coffee Enemas stimulate the liver to release bile (yay), but while they're being retained (15-20 minutes), the liver is triggered to become a "toxin & free radical blood dialysis machine"...and that means your bloodstream will be cleansed of toxins & free radicals every time it goes through the liver (5-6 times during the CE). And (if that's not good enough), CE's also trigger and increase peristalsis (the muscular squeezing action of the intestines & colon). So this enema not only doesn't weaken your musculature & cause your colon to become dependent upon enemas, it actually strengthens the colon and help to restore weakened persistaltic muscles. Here's the nutshell version: The Secret to the Coffee Enema

Also, check out the FAQs for the source (S.A. Wilsons) for the best organic coffee (created/roasted especially for use in enemas) and information on foot reflexology and doing castor oil packs (both are VERY good adjunct therapies for liver healing and detoxification): [FAQ] Healing Cleanse: Liver/Gallbladder: Working File Thread [FAQ] Healing Cleanse: Coffee Enemas: Working File Thread [FAQ] Healing Cleanse: Castor Oil Packs: Working File Thread

Just to clarify, when I was explaining about the liver and how it detoxifies, I didn't mean to imply that stale bile from the liver isn't "toxic"...it is compromising to the body and we should always be sure to get it out as quickly after flushing as possible. That's why the Clark flush (and others) have those doses of Epsom Salts the 'day after' - two CE's is much safer, healthier and more effective.

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Kidneys - It seems all we ever hear on CureZone is liver!liver!liver! and colon!colon!colon! and that most people act like we don't even have kidneys until we have major problem with them When all the water we drink is seeping through a colon that is full of poisons and the liver is compromised, our kidneys are having to deal with their own job and the extra workload it because the liver isn't getting it's job done. If you're not aware of the correlation between Accutane & kidney damage, prepare for an anger-surge. Here's a Google search (Accutane +kidneys OR renal): http://tinyurl.com/47vdqrs

This is from the search above: http://accutane.poweradvocates.com/kidneys.html

Kidneys

Under Federal Law, the manufacturer of a drug is required to revise its label to include a warning as soon as there is reasonable evidence of an association of a serious hazard with a drug.

The FDA has required Hoffmann-La Roche to change their label for Accutane many times. The most recent label under "adverse side effects" states - Urinary System: glomerulonephritis, nonspecific urogenital findings

Pursuant to FDA Rules and Regulation, the reporting of Adverse Side Effects is on a voluntary basis. In other words, the doctor, hospital, or other medical person or facility are not required by law to report an adverse side effect from a drug. The FDA reported that perhaps only one in one hundred side effects ever get reported. One could only imagine about how many serious Adverse Side Effects there are from taking Accutane, that have never been reported to anyone!

Glomerulonephritis

Acute glomerulonephritis is an inflammatory disease of both kidneys. Chronic glomerulonephritis can develop over a period of 10-20 years and is most often associated with other systemic diseases, including diabetes, malaria, hepatitis, or systemic lupus erythematosus.

Acute glomerulonephritis is an inflammation of the glomeruli, bundles of tiny vessels inside the kidneys. The damaged glomeruli cannot effectively filter waste products and excess water from the bloodstream to make urine. The kidneys appear enlarged, fatty, and congested.

It is thought that the kidney is damaged with exposure to the toxins that are excreted into the urine.

Mild glomerulonephritis may produce no symptoms, and diagnosis is made with laboratory studies of the urine and blood. Individuals with more severe cases of the disease may exhibit:

· Fatigue

· Nausea and vomiting

· Shortness of breath

· Disturbed vision

· High blood pressure

· Swelling, especially noted in the face, hands, feet, and ankles

· Blood and protein in the urine, resulting in a smoky or slightly red appearance

[Uny here - other symptoms in less severe/chronic cases are: darkened urine (tinged with the color of tea or cola); infrequent urination; foamy urine; headaches; blurred vision; weakness; fever; fatigue; loss of appetite; nausea...]

The individual with chronic glomerulonephritis may discovery their condition with a routine physical exam revealing high blood pressure, or an eye exam showing vascular or hemorrhagic changes. The kidneys may be reduced to as little as one-fifth their normal size, consisting largely of fibrous tissues.

For more information, please visit the Family Practice Notebook.

FDA - Accutane Information Page

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Adrenal glands - anytime we ingest SSRIs (virtually any psych-drug), there's always a likelihood of some level of adrenal damage & distress. Here's a good explanation:

From here (bold/emphasis theirs): http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

The Serotonergic System, the Pineal Gland & Side-Effects of Serotonin Acting Anti-Depressants

Note/Uny: as these drugs relate to adrenal issues, the SNRI's are likely even more destructive to the adrenals because of the addition of a norepinephrine 'booster' :(

"But why do I hear people talking about benefits from these SSRI-AntiDepressants?", you might want to ask in this stage. "They surely must work somehow don't they?" The answer is yes, they "work" somehow, but not in a very proper way. The mechanism of action on serotonergic neurons implies a lot of other neuro- endocrine responses. What actually happens when you increase serotonergic neuronal activity or elevate your serotonin levels is this: the stress hormones "Cortisol" & "Adrenaline" (Epinephrine) in the brain and body are triggered by increased serotonergic activity or elevated serotonin levels. It is a natural reaction from the body to combat the excessive serotonin levels. These released hormones, cortisol and adrenaline, are secreted from the "Adrenal Glands." They give the human personality a boost, producing a euphoric state, which can last for a prolonged period of time. In this manner SSRI-AntiDepressants initially produce the deceptive results the doctor and "patient" are both expecting. *

If a patient continues to ingest a particular SSRI-antidepressant over a prolonged period of time, eventually the bodies Adrenal Glands may lose their efficiency and "Adrenal Exhaustion Syndrome" will be the end result. Adrenal Exhaustion causes levels of adrenaline initially to fall and levels of cortisol to rise. Ultimately, also cortisol levels fall. When untreated, Adrenal Exhaustion will lead to seriously declining physical health. Many (former) SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported fatigue as a long term side-effect or were diagnosed with "Chronigue Fatigue Syndrome." People suffering from stress are generally diagnosed with this disorder. Symptoms range from simple exhaustion to much more complex problems that are secondary to excessive output of adrenal hormones in the bloodstream, leading to Adrenal Exhaustion. Unlike the other hormones, it takes a long time before the Adrenal Glands have their adrenaline levels restored. Could we say that the SSRI-AntiDepressant "works" by slowly excavating the body's Adrenal Glands?

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Suggestions/recommendations (items that are available in our Storefront are underlined - or some can be purchased from Dr. Schulze or Health Freedom Resources -; single herbs can be purchased at Pacific Botanicals, Mountain Rose Herbs or Starwest Botanicals. Always choose certified organic, grown in the US, whenever possible. Herbs grown on P/B's farm are ultra-high quality - however their Ashwagandha is so fresh/strong it's unpalatable to most...there are two people on the forum that prefer it, but most cannot 'get it down').

Colon

-- Deep, thorough cleansing/healing and detoxification (an absolute minimum of 30 days) using IF#1 & IF#2. I suggest adding 1-3 teaspoons of activated charcoal to each dose of IF#2 once you've started taking it and are having 2-3 bms daily. Once you've done 30 days, if you choose to do another 30 days (and you should) then you can 'switch up' to the IF#2 Ultra (the Ultra has additional bentonite & charcoal - which can be constipating, so I don't suggest people use it until they're sure they achieve 3 bms daily with the regular IF#2). You can read about the ingredients in the IF#1/IF#2 and the basics of how they work here: http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/intestinal.asp#1

--daily Coffee Enemas (increases & strengthens peristalsis along with other benefits to the liver & detoxification...more below on CE's)

Liver

--after 1 week on IF#2 with charcoal, continue flushing aggressively (minimum, one flush every two weeks) using whatever flush you prefer until the amount of stones/debris coming out is consistently less than the flushes before. Some people will choose to flush until several flushes yield nothing, but this is not likely necessary. Always follow each flush with two CE's the following day (one after rising/first bm, then again in mid-late afternoon or early evening).

--you can support the efficacy of your liver flushes and the health/restoration of your liver by doing a 5 day liver cleanse before each flush (which consists of a morning 'cleanse drink', Liver/GB tincture, Liver/Detox/Digestion Tea and optionally the Blood DeTox tincture. Since your liver is not 'clogged' and is responding to the liver flushes beautifully, this 5 day cleanse process isn't "imperative", but it's beneficial in many ways. The daily 'cleanse drink' is the part I feel you could skip, but the Liver/GB tincture is something that is a STRONG support for the liver in many ways, and the Liver/Detox/Digestion tea is very beneficial for soothing away all the 'urpy burpy' digestive disturbances we have while cleansing and restoring our liver. You can read a synopsis of how these two herbal formulas work here:

tincture: http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/lg-ap.asp

tea: http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/detoxification.asp

The Blood Detox tincture is extremely effective for supporting blood/lymph detoxification - you can read more about it here (I think this would likely be extremely beneficial for you, even though you could likely 'get by' without it): http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/d-tox.asp

(In our Storefront, these are packaged as 5-day or 10-day Liver Cleanses...with or without the Blood Detox formula, or you can get any of the tinctures/teas separately).

--Bitters - every time we sense something bitter on our tongue, our liver is cued to create/release bile. The Liver/GB tincture is extremely bitter and works perfectly for this. A 2 oz bottle will last a couple of months. Usage: after every doses of IF#2 (5x daily) put around 5 drops of the tincture on your tongue.

Kidneys - Two 5-day Kidney Cleanses (a bit less expensive if purchased as a 10-day Kidney Cleanse) Kidney cleanses are SUPER easy to do (just a morning lemon/lime drink and several cups of tea with tincture in each every day). After reading all the damage Accutane can do to the kidneys, I suggest you do at least two 5-day cleanses (you can do both the liver and kidney work while doing the colon cleansing). Most folks prefer to alternate "one week on liver; one week on kidneys", but you can do it however you'd like. [FAQ] Healing Cleanse: Kidney/Bladder: Working File Thread

Nutrition - there are engines (us) and there is fuel (nutrition)...our engines perform in direct response to the quality & quantify of fuel they're given (and how much they assimilate what they're given). Your engine is being asked to not only perform adequately in an ultra toxic world (which means it's got a brick on the accelerator 24/7), but also to expend even MORE energy to detoxify and restore itself from damage,,,while a couple/three of it's major systems are compromised. You're losing weight - go figger, eh? MORE PREMIUM FUEL (particularly fuel that's easily to assimilate).

--Superfood or Superfood Special Blend (4-6 Tablespoons daily (Superfood is designed for vegans & juice fasting - it is half nutritional yeast that is loaded with B vitamins & protein; Special Blend has less nutritional yeast & more 'green goodness' for those still eating meat & dairy...they get plenty of B vitamins). SuperFood by Dr. Schulze

--Bee Pollen - work up to 4T daily (or more, if you'd like). Bee Pollen is the perfect food and it contains 25%-40% protein Get'cher pollen on... BEE POLLEN info ...Buzz Buzz! If you can find bee pollen locally (from a beekeeper that doesn't use chemicals in the hives), that would be great. It's also available at Mountain Rose herbs, and at Dansk Farm (very good quality from Dansk, but slow shipping typically)

--Fresh juices - minimum of one quart daily. Juice fasting (with the Superfood & Pollen) at any point after you've regulated the IF#1/IF#2 would be the absolute best thing you could do. Juice fasting = 1 gallon of juice daily.

Juice fasting always helps our body to release vast amounts of stored toxins; I always recommend taking IF#2 when juice fasting (and many people need the additional charcoal).

Juice fasting is THE fastest and most effective healing modality on the planet, and a quality juicer IS the best investment you can ever make for your health (yes, the type/quality of different makes a HUGE difference in the amount of nutrients (and juice) you get out of the produce (and the amount of money you spend on produce).

Here's 'most all the information you need to know on juice-fasting and juicers:

JUICE-FASTING: The POWERFUL healing therapy!

How to make it easier?! Juicing in canning jars...http://curezone.com/foods/juices.html

What kind of juicer? JuicerInformation http://curezone.com/upload/_N_Forums/Natural_Heali/JuicerInformation.doc

When not juice-fasting, here's the optimal diet: http://curezone.com/upload/_N_Forums/Natural_Heali/MucuslessDietDrChristopher...

Water - the "tap/fountain water' HAS to go! (you knew that, right?) No chlorine, no fluoride and no pharmaceutical residues (all in tap water). Reverse Osmosis filtered or distilled only. Regarding Distilled Water +edit

Adrenals - the number one adaptogenic herb for balancing and restoring adrenal glands is Ashwagandha. I suggest 1-3 Tablespoons (root powder) daily mixed with a few 'gulps worth' of juice. It's pretty nasty tasting (the word Ashwagandha allegedly translates into 'strength & sweat of a horse' - and it tastes like horse-sweat, for sure)... but it's benefits more than make up for it.

What is an an herbal adaptogen?: http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=841&xcntr=1

Here's some general information on Ashwagandha:

(scroll down past the generalizations and advertising for the meat): (General) Ashwagandha Research Article

LE Magazine, June 2006 - Report: Ashwagandha

Ashwagandha Or Withania Somnifera As Antianxiety & Antidepression Herb

How much do you need to order?

1-3T daily = 7.6 - 22.8 grams daily x 30.5 days = 232 - 696 grams (454 grams in a pound)

Dr. Christopher's Adrenal Tincture is available in the Storefront (we doubled the amount of adaptogens in his formula since our levels of adrenal stress are at least twice as severe as what they were in the 1940's - 1970's). If you already knew you were dealing with adrenal stress, you might want to take this tincture along with the Ashwagandha to get more relief/healing, faster (for about a month or so). The dosage would be 2-4 droppersful several times daily. (A 4oz bottle yields about 5 droppersful daily for 30 days; an 8oz bottle yields about 10 droppersful daily for 30 days).

Here's what Dr. Christopher says about it:

Usages
Adrenal Formula: As this formula corrects any imbalance in the adrenal gland is also compensates for any stress placed on the heart.

Relaxation, meditation, recreation, or some form of stress reducing activity will certainly help the cause of exhausted adrenals. We should wish to eliminate hate, anger, fear, and other negative emotions as they take their toll on the physical body. Listening to relaxing music has proven to be wonderful in easing hostile attitudes

Ingredients
Contains mullein, lobelia, siberian ginseng, gotu kola, hawthorne berries, cayenne, and Ginger.

Mullein and lobelia: the perfect glandular foods.
Siberian Ginseng (not a true ginseng; it's now known as Eleuthero): Successfully used in the Soviet Union to ease stress in everyday situations and tend endurance to athletes under great strain during training
Gotu Kola: Known to stimulate the brain and relieve fatigue when given in small amounts. Wonderful for the functioning of the pituitary in disorders of the adrenal system when used in conjunction with other herbs.
Hawthorn Berries: A celebrated cardiac tonic for many centuries. Under conditions of stress, the heart often "works overtime." Hawthorn berries can help in treatment of high or low blood pressure, tachycardia, and arrhythmia. It is also anti-spasmodic, sedative, and soothing to nerves, especially in nervous insomnia.
Cayenne: Nature's finest stimulant; source of calcium and vitamin A. Aids in circulation of blood which brings oxygen and other nutriments to cells in need of repair.
Ginger: A stimulant and a 'lead sheep' herb, bringing the other herbs in the formula into the abdominal area. Ginger differs from cayenne as a stimulant, in that the cayenne stimulates the heart, arteries, veins and then the capillaries. Ginger starts its stimulating effect in the capillary, flushing out the "constipated" capillary, driving these wastes into the veins for disposal.

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Other:

Remember, this is a cleansing, restoring & rebuilding period for you - not a 'rush through it period'. The foundation you're laying now is one you're going to be living with for a very long time (hopefully 4x the amount of years you've already lived, or more!). It's NOT too much or too long to give this process several months when it took you several years to get here.

The three magic words in real estate are: "location, location, location"...and the three magic words in natural healing are "enough, enough, enough". Make sure the herbal products you ingest are pure and strong enough; make sure you're taking enough of what you're taking; and make sure you're doing enough to support the therapies you're doing. And since you're in what I'd call "post withdrawal" from the Celexa and your psych doc withdrew you SO rapidly off them both, be sure to pay very close attention to that last "enough". It's tough on the adrenals when we dump loads of toxins into our bloodstream, and aggressive exercise/weight lifting can be very taxing on exhausted adrenal glands. It's great to ensure strong circulation, but it's NOT supporting your protocol to 'overdo it' on the exercise & weights...or force a weeks/months worth of detoxing into a few days. Give your body a chance to rebuild it's storehouse of nutrients & energy and regain it's basic functioning. Keep that circulation flowing, but don't have a lead foot and burn up what you're trying to rebuild and re-store.

I know what has happened and what you've experienced totally bites. But what you're learning and doing now is far more important than any college degree or career move you could ever make. You are learning SO much, and that "so much" will positively impact any future partner and children you may have SO incredibly. Take this precious time to watch all the videos (there's a great selection under Media in the Storefront), read all the information from Schulze/Christopher/Gerson you can find and learn how tilted the playing field of our health (hence freedom) truly is...and how fast it's becoming worse. Most of all, RELISH this circumstance, opportunity and 'the process'. You're actually going to be healing your OWN body...something that no doctor has a clue how to do. Learning to hear the voice of our doctor within is truly one of the most empowering things we can EVER do. No, you're not "lucky this happened", but this process is a blessing in more ways that you can (likely) see when you're in the middle of it...so invest in it and use it wisely. If you walk down this healing pathway correctly, there's absolutely NOTHING that can stop you from being or having whatever you want for the rest of your life!

And I think that pretty much covers it all (and now you've got a clue why I was so frustrated that my *#$*(*#! computer ate the first post).

Healthiest of blessings,

Unyquity

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Originally from here: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1498182#i

Allow me to discuss the term "side effects". These two words are VERY often misunderstood...they are taken to mean that unless one sees or feels 'whatever' is on the list of side-effects, that the side effects are NOT occurring.

*!* NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH *!*

Each side effect that is listed on a side-effect 'profile' is a SYMPTOM of the chemical action of a drug (supplement or isolated nutrient) in the body that causes that side-effect/symptom to appear. This action (whatever it may be) is generally not explained or evident to a user. The chemical action of the substance IS happening, whether or not the side-effect actually appears! When there are no apparent side-effects, this only means that the body IS fighting, and has the strength to combat the action of the drug (to the point of not exhibiting the symptom of the action the drug IS causing).

Hence, many people believe erroneously that because they've taken a drug for several days, weeks, months or years (and experienced no obvious side-effects during that time) that's it's impossible for "new" issues to be related to the same drug they've been taking for some time, without experiencing side-effects. It doesn't work that way - in fact, just the opposite is true (the longer you take a drug, the more likely you are to start exhibiting side-effects). People don't generally develop the side-effect of liver destruction from drinking a 6 pack a day for a few weeks or months (or even years), nor does it appear out of nowhere instantaneously. The same with cigarettes (or anything toxic, actually) - although the damage IS being done, our bodies (being the miraculous things they are) are able to combat & neutralize these chemicals for quite some time, before the side-effects become very real symptoms and/or evidence of damage. Luckily for us, the body's ability to heal & restore itself is infinite; even if we take these drugs/chemicals to the point we exhibit the result of our body becoming exhausted and no longer able to fight & defend itself, it's almost ALWAYS possible to undo the damage (and of course, correct the original cause/need for a toxic bandaid).

The next three sections below are taken from a 'pay-site' called eHealthMe; this site compiles actual adverse effect reports made to the FDA (for FDA approved drugs). Remember, it's typically the prescribers of these drugs (and hospital ERs) do the reporting (very few "civilians" know they can). Since physicians are notorious for not being willing to admit a drug they've prescribed has harmed their patient (of course, they have to cover their butt to stay out of malpractice court). I've read that <10% of actual adverse effects are ever reported. But I found this (when researching the Accutane/kidney connection), from the FDA's own mouth:

Pursuant to FDA Rules and Regulation, the reporting of Adverse Side Effects is on a voluntary basis. In other words, the doctor, hospital, or other medical person or facility are not required by law to report an adverse side effect from a drug. The FDA reported that perhaps only one in one hundred side effects ever get reported.

So, as you scan these numbers, you can multiply the actual reports by,,,?...one hundred! (???) That seems crazy, but when you consider these are the combined instances since the mid/late 1990's....well, you get the picture.

On Feb, 5, 2011: 28,020 people who reported to have side effects when taking Accutane are studied

Trend of Accutane's drug interactions, side effects, and effectiveness reports

Top 100 overall Accutane side effects:

Name -- Number of people -- Frequency

1 Depression (learn more ) 5,639 (20.12%)

2 Depression Nec (learn more ) 4,949 (17.66%)

3 Inflammatory Bowel Disease (learn more ) 4,933 (17.61%)

4 Depression Nos (learn more ) 4,399 (15.70%)

5 Pregnancy Nos (Birth control) (learn more ) 4,070 (14.53%)

6 Pregnancy (Birth control) (learn more ) 4,070 (14.53%)

7 Crohn's Disease (learn more ) 3,510 (12.53%)

8 Ileitis (Crohn's disease) (learn more ) 3,508 (12.52%)

9 Colitis Ulcerative (Ulcerative colitis) (learn more ) 3,495 (12.47%)

10 Anxiety (Stress and anxiety) (learn more ) 3,304 (11.79%)

11 Colitis (learn more ) 3,278 (11.70%)

12 Anxiety Nec (Stress and anxiety) (learn more ) 2,905 (10.37%)

13 Stress (Stress and anxiety) (learn more ) 2,897 (10.34%)

14 Gastrointestinal Disorder (learn more ) 2,445 (8.73%)

15 Blood Cholesterol Increased (High Blood Cholesterol) (learn more ) 2,392 (8.54%)

16 Blood Triglycerides Increased (High Blood Cholesterol) (learn more ) 2,392 (8.54%)

17 Intestinal Haemorrhage (learn more ) 2,384 (8.51%)

18 Drug Exposure During Pregnancy (learn more ) 2,372 (8.47%)

19 Headache Nos (learn more ) 2,356 (8.41%)

20 Headache (learn more ) 2,348 (8.38%)

21 Rectal Haemorrhage (learn more ) 2,218 (7.92%)

22 Dry Skin (learn more ) 2,157 (7.70%)

23 Suicidal Ideation (learn more ) 2,048 (7.31%)

24 Arthralgia (Joint pain) (learn more ) 2,000 (7.14%)

25 Fatigue (learn more ) 1,857 (6.63%)

26 Anaemia (learn more ) 1,830 (6.53%)

27 Lip Dry (learn more ) 1,830 (6.53%)

28 Irritable Bowel Syndrome (learn more ) 1,756 (6.27%)

29 Multi-organ Disorder (learn more ) 1,560 (5.57%)

30 Back Pain (learn more ) 1,408 (5.02%)

31 Abortion Induced (learn more ) 1,368 (4.88%)

32 No Adverse Effect (learn more ) 1,324 (4.73%)

33 Abdominal Pain Nos (learn more ) 1,260 (4.50%)

34 Abdominal Pain (learn more ) 1,260 (4.50%)

35 Weight Decreased (learn more ) 1,229 (4.39%)

36 Insomnia (learn more ) 1,220 (4.35%)

37 Nausea (learn more ) 1,158 (4.13%)

38 Acne (learn more ) 1,097 (3.92%)

39 Unintended Pregnancy (learn more ) 1,091 (3.89%)

40 Epistaxis (Nosebleed) (learn more ) 995 (3.55%)

41 Alopecia (Hair loss) (learn more ) 982 (3.50%)

42 Vomiting Nos (Nausea and vomiting) (learn more ) 963 (3.44%)

43 Vomiting (Nausea and vomiting) (learn more ) 963 (3.44%)

44 Gastrooesophageal Reflux Disease (learn more ) 938 (3.35%)

45 Myalgia (Muscle aches) (learn more ) 880 (3.14%)

46 Rash (Rashes) (learn more ) 851 (3.04%)

47 Pain (learn more ) 851 (3.04%)

48 Diarrhoea (Diarrhea) (learn more ) 836 (2.98%)

49 Pyrexia (Fever) (learn more ) 809 (2.89%)

50 Mood Swings (learn more ) 792 (2.83%)

51 Haemorrhoids (learn more ) 774 (2.76%)

52 Intestinal Obstruction (learn more ) 764 (2.73%)

53 Dry Eye (Dry eyes) (learn more ) 747 (2.67%)

54 Chest Pain (learn more ) 733 (2.62%)

55 Arthritis (learn more ) 713 (2.54%)

56 Suicide Attempt (learn more ) 703 (2.51%)

57 Dizziness (learn more ) 654 (2.33%)

58 Dyspnoea (Breathing difficulty) (learn more ) 614 (2.19%)

59 Asthenia (Weakness) (learn more ) 594 (2.12%)

60 Abortion Spontaneous (learn more ) 586 (2.09%)

61 Panic Attack (learn more ) 575 (2.05%)

62 Treatment Noncompliance (learn more ) 574 (2.05%)

63 Proctitis (learn more ) 569 (2.03%)

64 Gastritis (learn more ) 565 (2.02%)

65 Vision Blurred (learn more ) 563 (2.01%)

66 Hypertension (High blood pressure) (learn more ) 548 (1.96%)

67 Constipation (learn more ) 512 (1.83%)

68 Dehydration (learn more ) 511 (1.82%)

69 Sinusitis (learn more ) 509 (1.82%)

70 Cheilitis (learn more ) 495 (1.77%)

71 Emotional Distress (learn more ) 483 (1.72%)

72 No Adverse Drug Effect (learn more ) 477 (1.70%)

73 Condition Aggravated (learn more ) 472 (1.68%)

74 Injury (learn more ) 472 (1.68%)

75 Iron Deficiency Anaemia (learn more ) 455 (1.62%)

76 Weight Increased (learn more ) 451 (1.61%)

77 Anhedonia (learn more ) 445 (1.59%)

78 Dyspepsia (Indigestion) (learn more ) 441 (1.57%)

79 Anger (learn more ) 427 (1.52%)

80 Completed Suicide (learn more ) 410 (1.46%)

81 Proctitis Ulcerative (learn more ) 405 (1.45%)

82 Irritability (learn more ) 402 (1.43%)

83 Aggression (learn more ) 400 (1.43%)

84 Haematochezia (learn more ) 400 (1.43%)

85 Pruritus (Itching) (learn more ) 399 (1.42%)

86 Anal Fissure (learn more ) 382 (1.36%)

87 Nasal Dryness (learn more ) 365 (1.30%)

88 Small Intestinal Obstruction (learn more ) 359 (1.28%)

89 Hepatic Enzyme Increased (learn more ) 353 (1.26%)

90 No Adverse Event 349 (1.25%)

91 Cough (learn more ) 349 (1.25%)

92 Scar (learn more ) 337 (1.20%)

93 Anorexia (learn more ) 333 (1.19%)

94 Drug Ineffective (learn more ) 332 (1.18%)

95 Aspartate Aminotransferase Increased (learn more ) 332 (1.18%)

96 Oesophagitis (learn more ) 324 (1.16%)

97 Abdominal Pain Upper (learn more ) 323 (1.15%)

98 Palpitations (Heart palpitations) (learn more ) 318 (1.13%)

99 Night Blindness (Vision - night blindness) (learn more ) 308 (1.10%)

100 Alanine Aminotransferase Increased (learn more ) 307 (1.10%)

On Feb, 5, 2011: 26,246 people who reported to have side effects when taking Lexapro are studied

Trend of Lexapro's drug interactions, side effects, and effectiveness reports

Top 100 overall Lexapro side effects:

	Name	How frequent is it: Number of people (% of total people)

1 Fatigue (learn more ) 1,987 (7.57%)

2 Lethargy (Fatigue) (learn more ) 1,986 (7.57%)

3 Nausea (learn more ) 1,946 (7.41%)

4 Anxiety (Stress and anxiety) (learn more ) 1,799 (6.85%)

5 Depression (learn more ) 1,792 (6.83%)

6 Dizziness (learn more ) 1,675 (6.38%)

7 Headache (learn more ) 1,412 (5.38%)

8 Asthenia (Weakness) (learn more ) 1,374 (5.24%)

9 Diarrhoea (Diarrhea) (learn more ) 1,273 (4.85%)

10 Vomiting (Nausea and vomiting) (learn more ) 1,268 (4.83%)

11 Dyspnoea (Breathing difficulty) (learn more ) 1,198 (4.56%)

12 Fall (learn more ) 1,186 (4.52%)

13 Rash (Rashes) (learn more ) 1,167 (4.45%)

14 Erythema (Rashes) (learn more ) 1,163 (4.43%)

15 Pain (learn more ) 1,139 (4.34%)

16 Drug Ineffective (learn more ) 1,118 (4.26%)

17 Insomnia (learn more ) 1,101 (4.19%)

18 Suicidal Ideation (learn more ) 1,081 (4.12%)

19 Hypertension (High blood pressure) (learn more ) 1,055 (4.02%)

20 Blood Pressure Increased (High blood pressure) (learn more ) 1,049 (4.00%)

21 Chest Pain (learn more ) 1,031 (3.93%)

22 Amnesia (Memory loss) (learn more ) 1,011 (3.85%)

23 Memory Impairment (Memory loss) (learn more ) 1,011 (3.85%)

24 Convulsion (learn more ) 999 (3.81%)

25 Somnolence (Drowsiness) (learn more ) 931 (3.55%)

26 Weight Increased (learn more ) 909 (3.46%)

27 Tremor (learn more ) 885 (3.37%)

28 Weight Decreased (learn more ) 860 (3.28%)

29 Completed Suicide (learn more ) 856 (3.26%)

30 Confusional State (learn more ) 855 (3.26%)

31 Agitation (learn more ) 781 (2.98%)

32 Pyrexia (Fever) (learn more ) 762 (2.90%)

33 Feeling Abnormal (learn more ) 761 (2.90%)

34 Loss Of Consciousness (learn more ) 755 (2.88%)

35 Diabetes Mellitus (Diabetes) (learn more ) 752 (2.87%)

36 Condition Aggravated (learn more ) 736 (2.80%)

37 Hypotension (learn more ) 723 (2.75%)

38 Drug Interaction (learn more ) 706 (2.69%)

39 Dehydration (learn more ) 671 (2.56%)

40 Anaemia (learn more ) 669 (2.55%)

41 Back Pain (learn more ) 655 (2.50%)

42 Abdominal Pain (learn more ) 650 (2.48%)

43 Arthralgia (Joint pain) (learn more ) 641 (2.44%)

44 Hyperhidrosis (learn more ) 632 (2.41%)

45 Pneumonia (learn more ) 625 (2.38%)

46 Suicide Attempt (learn more ) 618 (2.35%)

47 Oedema Peripheral (learn more ) 595 (2.27%)

48 Pain In Extremity (learn more ) 587 (2.24%)

49 Blood Cholesterol Increased (High Blood Cholesterol) (learn more ) 578 (2.20%)

50 Malaise (learn more ) 539 (2.05%)

51 Drug Exposure During Pregnancy (learn more ) 533 (2.03%)

52 Overdose (learn more ) 509 (1.94%)

53 Urinary Tract Infection (learn more ) 501 (1.91%)

54 Pruritus (Itching) (learn more ) 496 (1.89%)

55 Constipation (learn more ) 496 (1.89%)

56 Paraesthesia (learn more ) 495 (1.89%)

57 Contusion (Head injury) (learn more ) 494 (1.88%)

58 Blood Glucose Increased (learn more ) 479 (1.83%)

59 Cerebrovascular Accident (Stroke) (learn more ) 464 (1.77%)

60 Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus (Type 2 diabetes) (learn more ) 453 (1.73%)

61 Hypoaesthesia (learn more ) 452 (1.72%)

62 Cardiac Failure Congestive (learn more ) 446 (1.70%)

63 Muscle Spasms (learn more ) 434 (1.65%)

64 Palpitations (Heart palpitations) (learn more ) 428 (1.63%)

65 Myocardial Infarction (Heart attack) (learn more ) 428 (1.63%)

66 Syncope (Fainting) (learn more ) 416 (1.59%)

67 Gait Disturbance (learn more ) 407 (1.55%)

68 Vision Blurred (learn more ) 403 (1.54%)

69 Cough (learn more ) 400 (1.52%)

70 Decreased Appetite (Appetite - decreased) (learn more ) 388 (1.48%)

71 Death (learn more ) 387 (1.47%)

72 Aggression (learn more ) 383 (1.46%)

73 Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (learn more ) 382 (1.46%)

74 Hyponatraemia (learn more ) 378 (1.44%)

75 Hallucination (Hallucinations) (learn more ) 378 (1.44%)

76 Myalgia (Muscle aches) (learn more ) 370 (1.41%)

77 Abdominal Pain Upper (learn more ) 361 (1.38%)

78 Abnormal Behaviour (learn more ) 351 (1.34%)

79 Haemoglobin Decreased (learn more ) 349 (1.33%)

80 Pancreatitis (learn more ) 334 (1.27%)

81 Panic Attack (learn more ) 333 (1.27%)

82 Renal Failure (Acute kidney failure) (learn more ) 326 (1.24%)

83 Heart Rate Increased (learn more ) 324 (1.23%)

84 Road Traffic Accident (learn more ) 318 (1.21%)

85 Renal Failure Acute (learn more ) 318 (1.21%)

86 Irritability (learn more ) 312 (1.19%)

87 Disturbance In Attention (learn more ) 309 (1.18%)

88 Osteonecrosis (learn more ) 307 (1.17%)

89 Dysphagia (Swallowing difficulty) (learn more ) 307 (1.17%)

90 Gastrooesophageal Reflux Disease (learn more ) 306 (1.17%)

91 Anorexia (learn more ) 304 (1.16%)

92 Alanine Aminotransferase Increased (learn more ) 303 (1.15%)

93 Tachycardia (learn more ) 302 (1.15%)

94 Aspartate Aminotransferase Increased (learn more ) 300 (1.14%)

95 Injury (learn more ) 300 (1.14%)

96 Nervousness (learn more ) 283 (1.08%)

97 Chills (learn more ) 282 (1.07%)

98 Neuropathy Peripheral (learn more ) 278 (1.06%)

99 Dyskinesia (learn more ) 277 (1.06%)

100 Drug Toxicity (learn more ) 277 (1.06%)

On Feb, 5, 2011: 33,787 people who reported to have side effects when taking Celexa are studied

Trend of Celexa's drug interactions, side effects, and effectiveness reports

Top 100 overall Celexa side effects:

	Name	How frequent is it: Number of people (% of total people)

1 Nausea (learn more ) 2,228 (6.59%)

2 Depression (learn more ) 2,029 (6.01%)

3 Fatigue (learn more ) 2,021 (5.98%)

4 Lethargy (Fatigue) (learn more ) 2,017 (5.97%)

5 Anxiety (Stress and anxiety) (learn more ) 1,852 (5.48%)

6 Asthenia (Weakness) (learn more ) 1,710 (5.06%)

7 Vomiting (Nausea and vomiting) (learn more ) 1,649 (4.88%)

8 Vomiting Nos (Nausea and vomiting) (learn more ) 1,637 (4.85%)

9 Headache (learn more ) 1,607 (4.76%)

10 Headache Nos (learn more ) 1,601 (4.74%)

11 Dizziness (learn more ) 1,553 (4.60%)

12 Dyspnoea (Breathing difficulty) (learn more ) 1,437 (4.25%)

13 Fall (learn more ) 1,376 (4.07%)

14 Diarrhoea (Diarrhea) (learn more ) 1,373 (4.06%)

15 Drug Interaction (learn more ) 1,335 (3.95%)

16 Diarrhoea Nos (Diarrhea) (learn more ) 1,326 (3.92%)

17 Chest Pain (learn more ) 1,284 (3.80%)

18 Pain (learn more ) 1,269 (3.76%)

19 Hypertension (High blood pressure) (learn more ) 1,227 (3.63%)

20 Insomnia (learn more ) 1,194 (3.53%)

21 Tremor (learn more ) 1,173 (3.47%)

22 Completed Suicide (learn more ) 1,150 (3.40%)

23 Drug Ineffective (learn more ) 1,104 (3.27%)

24 Blood Pressure Increased (High blood pressure) (learn more ) 1,073 (3.18%)

25 Agitation (learn more ) 1,068 (3.16%)

26 Pyrexia (Fever) (learn more ) 1,052 (3.11%)

27 Hypotension (learn more ) 1,011 (2.99%)

28 Condition Aggravated (learn more ) 977 (2.89%)

29 Amnesia (Memory loss) (learn more ) 971 (2.87%)

30 Weight Increased (learn more ) 969 (2.87%)

31 Rash (Rashes) (learn more ) 943 (2.79%)

32 Somnolence (Drowsiness) (learn more ) 926 (2.74%)

33 Suicidal Ideation (learn more ) 904 (2.68%)

34 Confusional State (learn more ) 879 (2.60%)

35 Pneumonia (learn more ) 878 (2.60%)

36 Memory Impairment (Memory loss) (learn more ) 870 (2.57%)

37 Abdominal Pain (learn more ) 864 (2.56%)

38 Overdose (learn more ) 847 (2.51%)

39 Weight Decreased (learn more ) 804 (2.38%)

40 Arthralgia (Joint pain) (learn more ) 803 (2.38%)

41 Drug Toxicity (learn more ) 777 (2.30%)

42 Malaise (learn more ) 770 (2.28%)

43 Paraesthesia (learn more ) 723 (2.14%)

44 Loss Of Consciousness (learn more ) 712 (2.11%)

45 Diabetes Mellitus (Diabetes) (learn more ) 709 (2.10%)

46 Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (learn more ) 708 (2.10%)

47 Convulsion (learn more ) 705 (2.09%)

48 Dehydration (learn more ) 698 (2.07%)

49 Back Pain (learn more ) 695 (2.06%)

50 Anaemia (learn more ) 690 (2.04%)

51 Oedema Peripheral (learn more ) 684 (2.02%)

52 Blood Cholesterol Increased (High Blood Cholesterol) (learn more ) 662 (1.96%)

53 Constipation (learn more ) 652 (1.93%)

54 Syncope (Fainting) (learn more ) 627 (1.86%)

55 Hyponatraemia (learn more ) 620 (1.84%)

56 Hypoaesthesia (learn more ) 613 (1.81%)

57 Suicide Attempt (learn more ) 598 (1.77%)

58 Myocardial Infarction (Heart attack) (learn more ) 572 (1.69%)

59 Feeling Abnormal (learn more ) 560 (1.66%)

60 Pain In Extremity (learn more ) 558 (1.65%)

61 Tachycardia (learn more ) 554 (1.64%)

62 Urinary Tract Infection (learn more ) 550 (1.63%)

63 Drug Exposure During Pregnancy (learn more ) 547 (1.62%)

64 Hyperhidrosis (learn more ) 540 (1.60%)

65 Pruritus (Itching) (learn more ) 531 (1.57%)

66 Myalgia (Muscle aches) (learn more ) 530 (1.57%)

67 Death (learn more ) 528 (1.56%)

68 Cough (learn more ) 520 (1.54%)

69 Cardiac Arrest (learn more ) 504 (1.49%)

70 Cerebrovascular Accident (Stroke) (learn more ) 476 (1.41%)

71 Vision Blurred (learn more ) 467 (1.38%)

72 Palpitations (Heart palpitations) (learn more ) 463 (1.37%)

73 Sedation (learn more ) 461 (1.36%)

74 Coma (Consciousness - decreased) (learn more ) 457 (1.35%)

75 Haemoglobin Decreased (learn more ) 442 (1.31%)

76 Muscle Spasms (learn more ) 439 (1.30%)

77 Aggression (learn more ) 432 (1.28%)

78 Renal Failure (Acute kidney failure) (learn more ) 413 (1.22%)

79 Serotonin Syndrome (learn more ) 406 (1.20%)

80 Blood Glucose Increased (learn more ) 405 (1.20%)

81 Renal Failure Acute (learn more ) 402 (1.19%)

82 Cardiac Failure Congestive (learn more ) 393 (1.16%)

83 Nervousness (learn more ) 388 (1.15%)

84 Thrombocytopenia (learn more ) 387 (1.15%)

85 Irritability (learn more ) 375 (1.11%)

86 Disturbance In Attention (learn more ) 373 (1.10%)

87 Dry Mouth (learn more ) 369 (1.09%)

88 Dysphagia (Swallowing difficulty) (learn more ) 368 (1.09%)

89 Gait Disturbance (learn more ) 366 (1.08%)

90 Anorexia (learn more ) 358 (1.06%)

91 Alanine Aminotransferase Increased (learn more ) 347 (1.03%)

92 Abdominal Pain Upper (learn more ) 343 (1.02%)

93 Drug Dependence (learn more ) 340 (1.01%)

94 Decreased Appetite (Appetite - decreased) (learn more ) 336 (0.99%)

95 Dizziness (exc Vertigo) (learn more ) 333 (0.99%)

96 Emotional Distress (learn more ) 330 (0.98%)

97 Gastrooesophageal Reflux Disease (learn more ) 326 (0.96%)

98 Depressed Level Of Consciousness (learn more ) 325 (0.96%)

99 Panic Attack (learn more ) 323 (0.96%)

100 Multiple Drug Overdose (learn more ) 323 (0.96%)

Lexapro or Cipralex (Escitalopram) Side-Effects

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/escitalopram.htm

"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)

Doctors & Health Insurers fall for the old "optical isomer trick." Lexapro/Cipralex (escitalopram) is merely the active "Optical Isomer" of Celexa/Cipramil (citalopram). Other terms for "Optical Isomer" are "Stereoisomer" and "Enantiomer". The two optical isomers of citalopram are just mirror images of one another. The fault is not really the physicians': Forest Laboratories has generally skipped the simple explanation that for all intents and purposes Lexapro/Cipralex is identical to Celexa/Cipramil, except that you only need to give half as much. Rather, news releases have implied that escitalopram is a completely novel compound. Introducing the active stereoisomer around the time that the racemic mixture goes off patent is an old trick in the industry, used for instance by Servier and American Home Products (Wyeth) in the case of fenfluramine. Essentially, it doubles the patent life of a single drug. Admittedly, Forest Labs is bringing the active Stereoisomer on the market a year or two earlier than Celexa/Cipramil goes off patent. There are no safety or efficacy issues, only fair trade practices. See recent medical review:
Single-enantiomer drugs: elegant science, disappointing effects

Take notice that also non SSRI anti-depressants (and even Ritalin) may interact (primary or secondary) with the serotonergic (or serotoninergic) system in the brain. Every medication -especially SSRI Anti-depressants- boosting serotonin activity in the brain, has potential to induce the very dangerous and potentially fatal hyperserotonergic state of the Serotonin Syndrome.

Lexapro or Cipralex side-effects
Escitalopram Info: Physicians

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Lexapro/Cipralex (escitalopram) - Celexa/Cipramil (citalopram): Medical Reports, Cases & Reviews


2004	09/14	FDA US	Antidepressant "BLACK BOX WARNING" On Suicidality Risk Recommended
2004	05/26	HealthCanada	CELEXA WARNING: Risk of suicide, self-harm, behavioural/emotional changes
2004	07/14	FDA Warning	FDA warning Cipralex (escitalopram): Aluminum Toxicity in interaction with linezolid
2004	01/16	Case/Review	Severe Symptomatic Hyponatremia
2003	12/00	Case/Review	Premature Ejaculation associated with withdrawal
2003	08/00	Case/Review	Cardiotoxicity & Late Onset Seizures with overdose
2003	05/00	Case/Review	Fatal Serotonin Syndrome after combined treatment with linezolid
2003	02/00	Case/Review	Respiratory Distress Syndrome & Renal Failure with overdose
2003	02/00	Case/Review	Antidepressant induced Cholestasis
2002	00/00	Case/Review	Severe Hyponatraemia with Coma & Seizure
2002	10/00	Case/Review	Syndrome of Inappropriate Secretion of Antidiuretic Hormone (SIADH)
2002	09/00	Case/Review	Panic Attacks
2002	07/00	Case/Review	Postmortem Concentrations of Citalopram
2002	06/03	Case/Review	Perhexiline Toxicity related to Citalopram use
2002	04/00	Case/Review	Priapism
2001	00/00	Case/Review	Bruxism (Teeth Grinding)
2001	12/00	Case/Review	Bradycardia, Presyncope & Hypotension
2001	12/00	Case/Review	Photopigmentation
2001	10/00	Case/Review	Determined to be incidental finding to ultimate Cause of Death in 11 Cases
2001	09/00	Case/Review	Torsades de Pointes, Prolongation of QT Interval
2001	06/07	Case/Review	Cutaneous Lesions during SSRI's therapy: 2 cases
2001	05/06	Case/Review	QTc Interval Prolongation associated with overdose
2001	03/00	Case/Review	A Fatal Case of Serotonin Syndrome after moclobemide-citalopram intoxication
2001	03/00	Case/Review	BABY Withdrawal Syndrome after exposure to SSRI's
2001	02/00	Case/Review	Severe Symptomatic Hyponatremia
2000	10/00	Case/Review	An unusual multiple drug Fatal Intoxication case involving citalopram
2000	10/00	Case/Review	Sexual Dysfunctions induced by SSRI's
2000	07/00	Case/Review	Suicide Attempt Overdose: Severe Sinus Bradycardia; Pacemaker
2000	04/00	Case/Review	Worsening of Parkinson's Disease
1999	03/02	Case/Review	SSRI's induced Mania in obsessive compulsive disorder
1999	02/00	Case/Review	Sinus Bradycardia
1998	11/00	Case/Review	Autopsy cases in which Citalopram (Toxicity) alone was the Cause of Death
1997	09/00	Case/Review	Excretion of Citalopram in Breast Milk
1997	03/00	Case/Review	Clitoral Priapism
1996	11/25	Case/Review	SSRI's: Hyponatremia by Schwartz-Bartter Syndrome
1996	01/00	Case/Review	Anorgasmia
1993	09/00	Case/Review	Significant Decrease of EEG Power of NREM sleep (8-9hz)
1983	03/00	Case/Review	Generalized Lipidosis in Rats
1978	00/00	Case/Review	Hepatotoxicity in Rats and first-pass metabolism
1982	03/00	Case/Review	High dose toxicity in Dogs: Severe Convulsive Attacks, Sinus Tachycardia & Death

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2004	01/00	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram and Dystonia
2003	12/00	Case -No Abstract	Escitalopram-associated Mania
2002	06/00	Case -No Abstract	Prolonged Coma after Citalopram-induced Low Sodium & Hypo-Osmolarity
2002	01/00	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram and Psychotic Symptoms
2001	11/12	Case -No Abstract	A clinical case of Galactorrhoea after citalopram treatment
2000	12/00	Case -No Abstract	Serotonin Syndrome after small doses of citalopram or sertraline
2000	10/00	Case -No Abstract	A case of citalopram Withdrawal
2000	09/00	Case -No Abstract	Onset of Parkinson's Disease after antidepressant treatment with citalopram
2000	03/11	Case -No Abstract	Withdrawal Syndrome and cytalopram
1998	01/24	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram overdose may result in Serious Morbidity & Death
1994	08/00	Case -No Abstract	Mania induced by citalopram


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Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Akathisia & Mania (Suicide & Aggression)
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Serotonin Syndrome
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Toxicity & Brain Damage
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		"Anecdotal" Reports -Personal Experiences


Antidepressants:		How To Wean/Taper Off
Antidepressants:		How to Survive a Negative Reaction
Antidepressants:		Conquering Depression and Anxiety

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2004	09/14	FDA US	Antidepressant "BLACK BOX WARNING" On Suicidality Risk Recommended
2004	05/26	HealthCanada	CELEXA WARNING: Risk of suicide, self-harm, behavioural/emotional changes
2004	07/14	FDA Warning	FDA warning Cipramil (citalopram): Aluminum Toxicity in interaction with linezolid
2004	01/16	Case/Review	Severe Symptomatic Hyponatremia
2003	12/00	Case/Review	Premature Ejaculation associated with withdrawal
2003	08/00	Case/Review	Cardiotoxicity & Late Onset Seizures with overdose
2003	05/00	Case/Review	Fatal Serotonin Syndrome after combined treatment with linezolid
2003	02/00	Case/Review	Respiratory Distress Syndrome & Renal Failure with overdose
2003	02/00	Case/Review	Antidepressant induced Cholestasis
2002	00/00	Case/Review	Severe Hyponatraemia with Coma & Seizure
2002	10/00	Case/Review	Syndrome of Inappropriate Secretion of Antidiuretic Hormone (SIADH)
2002	09/00	Case/Review	Panic Attacks
2002	07/00	Case/Review	Postmortem Concentrations of Citalopram
2002	06/03	Case/Review	Perhexiline Toxicity related to Citalopram use
2002	04/00	Case/Review	Priapism
2001	00/00	Case/Review	Bruxism (Teeth Grinding)
2001	12/00	Case/Review	Bradycardia, Presyncope & Hypotension
2001	12/00	Case/Review	Photopigmentation
2001	10/00	Case/Review	Determined to be incidental finding to ultimate Cause of Death in 11 Cases
2001	09/00	Case/Review	Torsades de Pointes, Prolongation of QT Interval
2001	06/07	Case/Review	Cutaneous Lesions during SSRI's therapy: 2 cases
2001	05/06	Case/Review	QTc Interval Prolongation associated with overdose
2001	03/00	Case/Review	A Fatal Case of Serotonin Syndrome after moclobemide-citalopram intoxication
2001	03/00	Case/Review	BABY Withdrawal Syndrome after exposure to SSRI's
2001	02/00	Case/Review	Severe Symptomatic Hyponatremia
2000	10/00	Case/Review	An unusual multiple drug Fatal Intoxication case involving citalopram
2000	10/00	Case/Review	Sexual Dysfunctions induced by SSRI's
2000	07/00	Case/Review	Suicide Attempt Overdose: Severe Sinus Bradycardia; Pacemaker
2000	04/00	Case/Review	Worsening of Parkinson's Disease
1999	03/02	Case/Review	SSRI's induced Mania in obsessive compulsive disorder
1999	02/00	Case/Review	Sinus Bradycardia
1998	11/00	Case/Review	Autopsy cases in which Citalopram (Toxicity) alone was the Cause of Death
1997	09/00	Case/Review	Excretion of Citalopram in Breast Milk
1997	03/00	Case/Review	Clitoral Priapism
1996	11/25	Case/Review	SSRI's: Hyponatremia by Schwartz-Bartter Syndrome
1996	01/00	Case/Review	Anorgasmia
1993	09/00	Case/Review	Significant Decrease of EEG Power of NREM sleep (8-9hz)
1983	03/00	Case/Review	Generalized Lipidosis in Rats
1978	00/00	Case/Review	Hepatotoxicity in Rats and first-pass metabolism
1982	03/00	Case/Review	High dose toxicity in Dogs: Severe Convulsive Attacks, Sinus Tachycardia & Death

No Abstract, more side-effects...


2004	01/00	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram and Dystonia
2003	12/00	Case -No Abstract	Escitalopram-associated Mania
2002	06/00	Case -No Abstract	Prolonged Coma after Citalopram-induced Low Sodium & Hypo-Osmolarity
2002	01/00	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram and Psychotic Symptoms
2001	11/12	Case -No Abstract	A clinical case of Galactorrhoea after citalopram treatment
2000	12/00	Case -No Abstract	Serotonin Syndrome after small doses of citalopram or sertraline
2000	10/00	Case -No Abstract	A case of citalopram Withdrawal
2000	09/00	Case -No Abstract	Onset of Parkinson's Disease after antidepressant treatment with citalopram
2000	03/11	Case -No Abstract	Withdrawal Syndrome and cytalopram
1998	01/24	Case -No Abstract	Citalopram overdose may result in Serious Morbidity & Death
1994	08/00	Case -No Abstract	Mania induced by citalopram


Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Addiction & Withdrawal
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Akathisia & Mania (Suicide & Aggression)
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Serotonin Syndrome
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		Toxicity & Brain Damage
Anti-Depressant Neurological Side-Effects:		"Anecdotal" Reports -Personal Experiences


Antidepressants:		How To Wean/Taper Off
Antidepressants:		How to Survive a Negative Reaction
Antidepressants:		Conquering Depression and Anxiety

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Thank you so much Uny! You are truly a Godsend. I haven't read it yet but will begin right now.

Thanks and God Bless!!

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Uny, given what you've laid out here with the reason the poster experienced this high level of accutane in the blood, after liver flushing, (which makes perfect sense to me) do you feel that a salt water flush is a good way to follow up a liver flush? My experience has been (It's been some time since I did the old Clarke style flushes)that using a SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) the morning after the olive oil and grapefruit and the ES was a VERY good thing. Maybe even doing one in the AM for a few days, though I never felt the need. The Epsom Salts were hard on me, and I think they are hard on lots of people. I never feel like recommending that flush anymore...

but the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) makes it doable. any brief thoughts? :-)

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  Now I'm even getting the psychological symptoms of the body dysmorphic variety that I had ONLY with the accutane. The red face and dry skin, the BDD, all of the other symptoms... yep. This be accutane in all it's glory.
  
  I'm getting the IF #1 and #2 and the kidney cleanse with charcoal also and am thinking that this should see me through to the end.
  
  From all of the reading I've gotten from Uny and the talk I had with her (very kind caring woman if you didn't know already!), needs to be stated again what is going on.
  
  I've been treating myself well to the point where it's ready to dump toxins and I've already gotten some of that going prematurely. As they are flushing into my colon for excretion, they cannot get out and are being reabsorbed, hence the scary as hell crises. Get my colon up and working, do the cleanses again and things should be chugging along :)
  
  What makes me very optimistic is, aside from when I've stirred up a lot of dumping of toxins and then had them sit in my colon being reabsorbed, I have felt very decent and normal the rest of the time! I've been off ssris for 3 months and feel the brain has readjusted.. now just to get things flowing and out and I'll be back to myself again!!! I am so excited!!!
  
  Thanks again Uny for all of your help and to others also for encouragement.. I can't wait to write a big ole testimonial about how things are back to and above where they were when I was put on drugs.
  
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  Hi Uny, I've done some more of the Schulz reading since posting this--as you would no doubt have suggested; and see that the ES is not part of his (or your) worldview.
  
  Still wondering about the SWF...but suspect that's not part of it either. I guess the CE's substitute. Thus far in my life I've never done an enema, and never felt the wish to.
  (of course I haven't got as sick as many people have either.) My basic view: Hydration--very important! Epsom Salts --very rough. And yet my first few Liver Flushes taken with some ES
  were incredibly fruitful. :-)
  
  when I realized I could cut the ES down to one dose, or even do more fasting before the liver flush, and simply chase the flush out the next day with the SWF, that was a very happy discovery.
  
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  - SWF (Salt Water Flushing) Re: Q for ... unyquity 13 y 6,316
    
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    Hi Uny, I've done some more of the Schulz reading since posting this cool deal - he's quite a character (for sure and for certain), but nobody explains the fundamentals as clearly as he does. Well, Christopher was a FANTASTIC teacher (and very 'angelic' in his presentation), but there's very little 'online' of his original teachings--as you would no doubt have suggested; and see that the ES is not part of his (or your) worldview. Exactly! There's never any reason to stress the body in order to heal & restore the body...and in the case of ES, it can be a major problem for some people (and is likely a bigger stresser for most than they realize)
    
    Then there's the "one hand - other hand" of it all. Dr. Kelley used twice as much ES in his flush recipe as Hulda Clark; and even though Andreas Moritz is typically a "kindler gentler" type of healer, he also uses strong doses of ES. There's no doubt ES benefits the flush protocol by relaxing the biliary ductwork...and if we're in the middle of a gallbladder crisis/emergency, the pain is overwhelming, and the whitecoats are drooling while sharpening their carving knives as they gaze hungrily at our torso - there's likely no doubt that ES is the better option. But there's also no doubt that a liver flush can be done safely and effectively without ES (as long as one is willing to take the time to ensure the liver is prepped & ready to be flushed -- and remember that we should always be addressing our entire body)
    
    Doing what I call a 'cold liver flush' (no colon cleansing to relieve the pressure of the transverse colon to the liver/gallbladder, no herbal or nutritional support, treating the liver/gb like they're somehow 'separate', and doing nothing to ensure the liver, gallbladder & intestinal tract are ready & able to 'clear' a large quantity of stale bile & debris) turns a liver flush with ES into (almost) an 'allopathic procedure'. (In fact, Dr. Kelley said he got his 'flush recipe' from the archives of the Lahey Clinic in Boston)...
    
    Dr. God Whitecoat ND to patient-subject: You have gallstones, biliary sludge, and a clogged/congested liver - so we will go in there an rip-flush it all out right now! Let's see here, I can bypass this issue you have with your transverse colon shoving into the liver & gallbladder and compromising the entire biliary network (and partially causing your constipation issues) by, hmmm, ah yes, here it is...giving you a harsh ES laxative before & after (which will throw your electrolyte balance into a tsunami and stress your kidneys...not to mention causing diarrhea & dehydration and maybe heart palps). Of course, it will leave you with a raw rectum & anus (and likely the same internally...but heh-eh, you'll never know it); it may destroy the harmony of your gut flora, and it'll probably cause 'rebound constipation' even worse than you already have - but we need it to relax those biliary ducts so we can FORCE those stones OUT!
    
    But Mr. Dr. God, sir, if I may inquire please? Hrummgph, what was that? did the subject speak-squeek? Yes, Mr. Dr. God, I did...I have questions & concerns. I can't imagine why you feel the need to squeek, er, speak, but :::looking at watch and rolling eyes::: I suppose you may continue.
    
    Well, Mr. Dr. God sir, I feel the need to speak because this is my body. I've done several weeks of research since my liver/gallbladder started aching and my digestion worsened, and it seems like there are quite a few options you haven't mentioned...options that I'd like to discuss - like coffee enemas, colon cleansing, castor oil packs, milk thistle seed, reflexology, herbal bitters, diet/juicing, and avoiding unnatural chemicals & laxatives. I'd also like to Apparently you have no IDEA how serious this situation is and you certainly don't have the advanced education and experience that I possess - not only is your squeeking irrelevant, but thinking for yourself (even in the Curezone Clinic) makes you a danger to yourself, and others too. Here are some "natural" (insert Uny gagging) malic acid capsules, isolated chemical of silymarin tablets, and a different form of isolated/fractionated magnesium. Or would you rather I book you an appointment with a surgeon?
    
    When ARE we going to learn that the natural body doesn't require unnatural substances to restore itself?
    
    I realize I was likely "preaching to the choir" with the 'above scenario' - but it's just so important to me for everyone to understand that there ARE ways we can work with our body to heal and restore it - there's really no need to try to undo decades of unnatural living & compromise with 'quick fixes'...and of course, there's absolutely nothing 'natural' about using harsh chemicals.
    
    Still wondering about the SWF...but suspect that's not part of it either. I guess the CE's substitute. Thus far in my life I've never done an enema, and never felt the wish to.
    (of course I haven't got as sick as many people have either.) My basic view: Hydration--very important! Epsom salts--very rough. And yet my first few liver flushes taken with some ES
    were incredibly fruitful. :-)
    
    when I realized I could cut the ES down to one dose, or even do more fasting before the liver flush, and simply chase the flush out the next day with the SWF, that was a very happy discovery. And if that works for you, and you & your doctor within are satisfied with it, then it's a goodness for you :)
    
    As always, it IS your body and I feel you should do what YOU feel is best. There's no doubt a SWF will ensure the removal of the debris that is initially dumped (for almost everyone). But there's also no doubt that once we unplug the gallbladder, there's likely to be more of a release of stale/toxic debris that just the one that happens during the night of a flush.
    
    Seeings that it's a teachers job to "challenge" (and we're all teachers as well as students), here's some food for thought... (btw, I'm speaking of natural salt, not the white kind).
    
    --if hydration is very important (and it is), and salt-water is very dehydrating (and it is), then ingesting a quart of salt water is ...?...
    
    --What happens to our precious intestinal microbiota when we douse them with a heavy salt-water solution? My guess is that it kills them.
    
    --Gerson claimed that salt feeds cancer; Christopher was 100% 'anti salt' (we should get the vitamins, minerals & enzymes our body needs from living food).
    
    --SWFing is a very old therapy (I realize this). I also realize that ingesting salt in large quantities produces harm (dehydration, kidney stress, electrolyte imbalance/hypernatremia...not to mention the dangers for those with 'salt issues' like high bp, edema, etc).
    
    --In a small percentage of people the SWF will not "come out" as is typical, and all the salt is assimilated. yikes.
    
    --In a large percentage of people, vomiting results (and the feeling of needing to vomit is extremely common). I know of no person or animal that willingly drinks salt-water from the ocean...shouldn't that tell us something? (there are a handful of animals that are specially equipped for ingesting salt water - sea otters, seals, sea turtles and some sea birds).
    
    I realize that the 'nausea & vomiting' thing also happens when ingesting large amounts of oil (in lesser percentages, from what I've seen), because it's obviously not truly natural to ingest 1/2 cup of oil (unless you're Rocky's Italian grandpa, who could easily consume far more than 1/2 cup of olive oil in one sitting with a few slices of bread & a head of garlic). But 1/2 cup of olive oil rarely causes harm (and never does if folks that are liver flushing as doing it wisely as part of a logical, full-body protocol)...but a teaspoon-tablespoon of salt at once can produce seriously dire results in many)
    
    --No, I do not think that "natural" salt is a good way to give our body trace minerals and nutrients. Someday (hopefully in this lifetime) I'll have time to enter into discussion & debate about the various reasons I feel this way...and how the promoters of 'natural products' always seem to find all kinds of "compelling evidence" so that we can continue feeding our addictions and unhealthy taste buds & cravings.
    
    If one is not having 3+ natural bms daily and is going to start liver flushing and won't consider coffee enemas, I suggest using prune juice or herbs to ensure adequate elimination.
    
    Some additional info for consideration:
    
    Ralph Moss (The Royal Flush) includes history of enemas
    
    Essene Gospel of Peace - Book 1
    
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      Hi Uny, as always, you are so thorough! Lots of good reading. The essene gospel...love it. The other, will read.
      
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Hi Unyquity,
This post gives me tremendous hope for my future. I, like ray34, have taken accutane (and ssri’s) with depressing results. I (still) have all of the accutane side effects, about 3.5 years after I stopped taking the drug. Fortunately, I was only on a low dose of Zoloft for 6 months, so I don’t think that has done much to my body, certainly nothing like what Accutane has done.

I have a few questions for you (or anyone who can answer them), as you seem to be extremely knowledgeable with regards to this subject.

So I start out the process taking both IF#1 and IF#2 at the same time initially, along with charcoal, is that correct?

At the same time I am doing coffee enemas, ever day?

Under the “Liver” section, you state to continue flushing aggressively to get out stones/debris. Is this at the same time as I’m using IF#1, IF#2, and coffee enemas? Or is there a time table that I’m just not getting?

Which Liver Flush is good for this? How long does a Liver Flush last? What’s the proper diet at this point?

The 5 day liver cleanse is prior to flushing, but at the same time as taking the IF#1, IF#2, and coffee enemas?

I should begin taking Superfood from the very beginning?

Also you say the underlined items are available at the storefront. I could not, for the life of me, find this “storefront.” Is it a curezone store? Again, I’m sure I’m just not “getting” something.

I’m not meaning to threadjack, but these questions are important to me.

Thank you so much, your post has given me more hope than anything in a long time.

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  I'll add more later as I'm feeling super spacey right now, but if I were you, I would follow pretty much exactly the protocol I'm following to heal myself and detox this crap. I would say before anything, you need a nutritional foundation to start. Stop putting bad/toxic things in your body via food, drink filtered (reverse osmosis) water, switch to dr bromers castile soap for shower use, and start with the super foods once you get them. After a few weeks then think about flushing the liver.
  
  And the best advice I can give you is to read the post Uny gave to me and research every single bit of information she left in the links. That's why I feel so confident in what I'm doing and why I KNOW things will improve dramatically rather soon (weeks and a few months is nothing compared to the five years I've already been through)
  
  Anyways, the IF #1 would be used until you are having 2-3 good bowel movements every day after your major meals. The #2 is for detoxing and pulling toxins.
  
  Whatever you do, listen to Uny and her suggestions. And read. research. Check out herbdoc.com and read and listen to all dr schultze says about disease and such.
  
  You'll get through this, as I am getting through this.
  
  Also, keep us updated on everything. It's nice to have someone who knows exactly what it is like.
  
  PS: What symptoms are you dealing with now????
  
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    Thanks ray34,
    
    I appreciate the response. The symptoms I'm dealing with, and have been for years, are serious photophobia and dry eye, rosacea/red face/blushing, Candida, dry everything, hands and feet are always cold, I have blue/purple fingernails and toenails, toenail fungus, eczema, inability to heal wounds/ new acne, thinning/shedding hair, depression, and the worst for me, social anxiety. Many of those are just nuisances, but added up, they overwhelm me sometimes. I realize many people have far worse side effects dealing with bowel disease, and other life threatening things. But these have destroyed the quality of my life and don't think I could live like this forever.
    
    I definitely will update any progress along the road to recovery. Everyone is so positive and encouraging here. I think this will be a good place for me. Thanks all.
    
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      Watch this video and soak up everything he's saying about the colon. I learned a lot the other day and it's had me so very optimistic since then about my situation.
      
      https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php?option=com_chronocontact&chronoformname=lib...
      
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    >>>And the best advice I can give you is to read the post Uny gave to me and research every single bit of information she left in the links.<<< WOOHOO!!! yes!Yes!YES!!!
    
    Never EVER believe me or anybody else that doesn't have decades of EXTENSIVE clinical experience! In fact, this is guideline you should you utilize: ~!~ Schulze GEM! How to choose a protocol/teacher/book MUST READ
    
    Who am I to be advising anyone? I am a 51 year old woman with almost 8 years of college (but no degree, lol); my father was a science teacher and I scored in the top 97% in science in my graduating HS class on the ACT - because of my father AND because of my natural curiosity. When I met my husband (15 years ago), I found out his mother had cured herself of Stage IV terminal liver cancer. The first time she said the words 'coffee' and 'enema' back to back, I rolled my eyes (to myself) and thought, "Omg, a total fruitcake". But being the incessant & curious spirit that I am, I first dug in to prove her wrong, and finally (recently) ended up (along with my husband) throwing our retirement plans totally to the wind and devoting our life to teaching others how to heal themselves safely & naturally - via time-honored biological & physiological truths and the works of Dr. Schulze, Dr. Gerson and Dr. Christopher (and their counterparts). We built our Apothecary/Storefront from the ground-up for two main reasons (initially)... saving money and empowering ourselves.
    
    What I teach is based on the clinical experience of healers that have consistently cured every insidious incurable disease known to mankind...cancer, MD, MS, ALS, epilepsy, 3rd/4th degree burns, Parkinson's, etc. Dr. Christopher was able to regrow a vertebrae that had been eaten/dissolved by bone cancer, and grow out a leg/foot on a woman that had a 'withered foot' & leg from polio. Dr. Schulze had congentital heart/valve deformities and was told in his teens he'd never live past 18 years of age unless he had open heart surgery - but he reversed those deformities (not to mention two other major 'miracles'). Dr. Gerson's cancer cure rate was phenomenol. And there are many of the teachers and peers I have learned from, as well.
    
    Bottom line truth? All these people were SERIOUSLY compromised, far beyond the typical CZ poster - if these healers could heal the 'worst of the worst', then we can use their basic fundamentals to heal ANYTHING.
    
    What I've done is compare the protocols & methodologies of them all, throw out the 'loose ends' and come up with a 'basic protocol'. The part of all of this that is "mine"? I'm a very good 'sleuth', and once I have all the puzzle pieces, I'm generally pretty much 'spot on' when comes to filling in the blanks and putting it all together to come with a winning individual protocol for people...but I'm useless without the constant input & feedback of those I'm attempting to help. And I can't (and won't) do anything without knowing that the person I'm trying to help is willing to learn enough about healing themselves to take responsibility for their OWN health & body, because without a decent baseline knowledge, there's no way a person can interpret and understand the voice of their OWN doctor within. And without knowledge AND discernment, there is no such thing as 'the healing arts'!
    
    This forum is a 'haven of healing' where we can all come to learn, share, support each other, learn from each other and celebrate our victories...with mutal respect and healing energy. Together we will take the works & fundamentals of these great healers "one step further" to meet the challenges of the new century...and we will make a difference in this world!
    
    Like Dr. Christopher said, "There is NO such thing as an incurable disease!!! There are only incurable people."
    
    Unyquity
    
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    - Re: Jumping & applauding in agreemen... Rink Hijinks 13 y 6,300
      
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      Unyquity, thank you.
      
      As far as being a skeptic, believe me, I have become a raging skeptic, considering all the crap I've used to try and help my condition with little to no success. I am probably overly skeptical and pessimistic towards Western Medicine, despite my brother being an M.D., whom I trust with regards to 'most' things.
      
      However, it wasn't until I saw benefits from oil-pulling, (which I thought was bogus at first, but started noticing positive but minor results) that I became more open to "natural: cures.
      
      I appreciate hearing a bit about your background in the field. Many of the feats you mention above, are indeed miraculous.
      
      I love the fact that you are personally involved with all of this. It isn't foreign to you. My last psychiatrist didn't even believe me when I told him what Accutane had done. How much could I really trust him?
      
      I think I, like most Americans, have grown up assuming M.D.'s are GOD with regards to knowledge and abilities. I have found out personally that it could not be further from the truth. So here I am, trying another approach, and from what (little) I've read, I am vastly more excited for my future than I have been in way too long.
      
      Again, thank you (and ray34) for being so helpful and willing to help me to help myself better my life. I look forward to further communication.
      
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      - A Request From Uny For Rink Willowley 13 y 6,362
        
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        Hi Rink, welcome to the forum!
        
        You've landed in the right place to get help for sure, after all, there are NO incurable diseases!
        
        This:
        
        "I’m not meaning to threadjack, but these questions are important to me."
        
        Don't you ever worry about threadjacking around here lol, I believe you've made up a new word, I like it! We love to have new people posting in the forum.
        
        "At the same time I am doing coffee enemas, ever day?
        
        Yes, coffee enemas everyday, they are GREAT. You can read all about them here:
        
        [FAQ] Healing Cleanse: Coffee Enemas: Working File Thread
        
        "Also you say the underlined items are available at the storefront. I could not, for the life of me, find this “storefront.” Is it a curezone store? Again, I’m sure I’m just not “getting” something."
        
        The Storefront link can be found at the top of the forum page, on the right side.
        
        Herbal Apothecary Storefront
        
        This from another of your posts....
        
        "I think I, like most Americans, have grown up assuming M.D.'s are GOD with regards to knowledge and abilities. I have found out personally that it could not be further from the truth."
        
        You don't know how happy I am to hear you say this. Most people are much older than you are when they find out the truth about the medical profession! Way to go Rink! It's much harder to 'unlearn' something we've grown up believing than it is to learn something new, but the younger you are when you come to this truth the easier it is.
        
        I know Ray gave you a link to one of Dr. Schulze videos and you liked it so here is a link to his Natural Healing Crusade videos, they are GREAT!
        
        Dr. Schulze Videos
        
        I talked to Uny this afternoon and she wanted me to ask you if you could answer the questions below. While it seems you and Ray are having the same troubles, everyone is unique and the more information she has about what's going on with you the better she'll be able to help.
        
        It's recommended to do a colon cleanse before (or during) the cleansing process - is this something you're doing (or have considered?) And if so, what products are you utilizing? How many bms daily? what consistency/color?
        
        Are you taking or have you recently started any supplements? if so, what (name/brand/dosage info).
        
        Are you currently taking or withdrawing from any other pharmaceuticals? otcs?
        
        When was your last SSRI?
        
        Age, Sex, Height/Weight (proportionate? under/overweight? if you don't want to be specific :)
        
        Exercise daily? weekly? never? (how much, what type?)
        
        Water:
        
        --how much water do you drink daily? (what kind of water? tap; filtered -what kind of filter?-; reverse osmosis (RO); distilled; spring/mineral; other)
        
        Other beverages (daily, occasionally):
        
        Diet (in any given week) - please be as specific as possible:
        
        --white sugar? white flour? white salt?
        
        --processed foods?
        
        --gmo frankenfoods (non-organic: soy/derivatives, corn/derivatives, canola/cottonseed oil, beet sugar)
        
        --how many/what kind of fruits/veggies daily? (raw, steamed, cooked?)
        
        --dairy (what kind? how much?)
        
        --meat (what kind? how much?)
        
        --oils & fats (what kind? how much?)
        
        --what percentage of the above is organic?
        
        Do you use a microwave oven? If so, how often?
        
        How "un-wired" are you at home and at work? Cell phone? WiFi? Cordless phone (what mHz or gHz? DECT?); other wireless toys & gadgets?
        
        Are you exposed to chemicals in the home or workplace frequently? If so, what?
        
        Allergies (food, chemical, drugs, other):
        
        Food "reactions":
        
        Pharmaceutical drugs (current/past):
        
        Over The Counter drugs (current/past):
        
        Drugs "other" (current/past):
        
        Supplements (please be as specific as possible as include 'name brands' and amounts taken):
        
        Other current therapies, cleanses or protocols:
        
        What, if anything, are you are doing or taking now that is yielding positive results?
        
        What, if anything, have you done in the past that yielded negative results?
        
        Recent vaccines:
        
        How many bowel movements daily/weekly? (color, consistency, etc)
        
        Do you have a juicer? (if so what kind? centrifugal; single auger; masticating; if you don't know, what's the brand/model?)
        
        Current Health Issues (the more details, the better!):
        
        If you've consulted any type of practitioner, what did they determine or suggest? Do you agree?
        
        Have you ever done any "cleansing"? (colon, liver, kidney, etc); if so, when and what type/product & results?
        
        What other types of allopathic, alternative or natural therapies or protocols have you tried (if any)? results?
        
        Past issues, drugs, surgeries that you think may be contributing to current issues?
        
        Any major changes in diet, supplements, drugs, stress-levels, location, lifestyle recently? results?
        
        Are you aware of the difference between "alternative medicine" and truly natural healing?
        
        What do YOU think & discern is wrong (and why?)
        
        I know this is a lot of information to digest but I'm telling ya, it's gonna be well worth the effort!!!!
        
        Blessings,
        
        Willow
        
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        Thanks for taking the time to respond, Willowley.
        
        First off, I wish I could take credit for the term threadjack, but I've seen it many times in various, probably more hostile forums where people genuinely get upset for "threadjacking." lol. As a first time poster, I wanted to make my intentions clear.
        
        Answers to the questions:
        
        - I am not colon cleansing now, nor have I ever, but after reading and listening, I am definitely strongly considering it. I have maybe 2-3 small bm's daily, consistently hard, compacted, and dark. I always feel like I'm not getting it all out, though.
        
        -Supplements I am taking right now (have been for about three weeks), 450mg cayenne pepper nature's way brand, 500mg ginger nature's way brand, and jarrow's brand curcumin (500mg) each once a day. Prior to that I had been taking a multivitamin, quercetin, N-acetyl-cysteine, biotin, hyaluronic acid, and glucosamine/chondroitin, all of those recommended on various forums for symptoms I've been experiencing, mostly for my dry eye and skin issues. None of them seemed to do much.
        
        -Not taking any pharmaceuticals, though occasionally (about once a month) I will take phenibut in social situations (I have moderate social anxiety, used to be more severe), occasionally (maybe twice a month) drink a few beers, and occasionally(maybe once a month) have smoked a little bit of weed (also helps anxiety temporarily. I have gone for long periods of more than a year without using weed since my Accutane course was up with no improvement of anxiety/depression/symptoms.) I am, however, willing to stop them all as there is no dependance/addiction to any of those.
        
        -Last SSRI was Zoloft, 50mg daily, stopped in August of 2008.
        
        -I am a 25 year old male, 5 foot 11 inches, about 185lbs. Very proportionate, good weight for me. Not under or overweight.
        
        -Depends on my motivation. But when I'm motivated, which I have been lately, I exercise about 4-5 times a week, for ~1 hour each time, varying cardio and weight training as well as climbing rope that's attached to a tall tree.
        
        -I drink 1.5-2 gallons of water a day. Ever since Accutane, my thirst has been out of control. I am constantly drinking and peeing. It is filtered from my refrigerator, I think it's an Arrowhead filter.
        
        -Occasionally white tea, maybe one cup, once a week. I also LOVE nonfat cows milk, but the last couple of days I've not been drinking it. But prior to that, I would drink 3-6 glasses a day. I grew up on it, and unfortunately, it tastes SO good to me. And it is easy to get protein with milk. As you can probably tell by my gushing about milk, it is probably going to be one of the hardest things for me to give up.
        
        -Breakfast is always the same, a few hundred calories from Chia seed gel, a spoon of coconut oil, and fruit, usually banana and/or blueberries. As well as a ton of water (but water is constant, and throughout the day.)
        
        -Lunch is usually a few hundred calories of hemp seeds, a cup or two of milk, and maybe some processed granola bar or leftover meat dish. Sometimes a can of tuna, Kirkland brand, straight out of the can, with nothing on it.
        
        - Dinner varies vastly. Most always meat is involved, either Wild Frozen Salmon from Costco, lean steaks, chicken dishes, or turkey dishes. There is almost always added salt, sometimes white Sugar (other times brown) and occasionally flour, but not often.
        
        -Occasionally there are cookies in the house or some other sweet, but it's less than once a week. I tend to binge on sweets when they are around. Like if there are cookies (homemade), I will eat 8 of them, not 2-3.
        
        -No soy at all, sometimes frozen then steamed corn, sometimes canola oil.
        
        -I eat maybe 3 servings of fruit daily, usually a banana, some berries (either blackberries, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, or some combo of them.) I also, depending on the season, enjoy mangos, pineapple, oranges, tangerines, etc. Veggies, maybe 3-4 servings a day. Always have raw broccoli, sometimes steamed beans/corn. Always have a nice large salad with either red leaf, green leaf, or Romaine lettuce. Oftentimes there will some other veggies, including carrots, red pepper, radish/bean sprouts. And I put an olive oil based dressing on it.
        
        -Dairy 3-6 cups a day, lately none.
        
        -meat usually 8-10 ounces a day of the meats I already listed above.
        
        -I eat a ton of oils/fats. Organic Coconut oil, Organic hemp oil, olive oil, hemp seed, walnuts, pecans, almonds, chia seeds, whole hardboiled or fried eggs(fried in olive oil), and whatever fat from beef (usually lean, sometimes more fatty, though.)
        
        -Very little is "organic." Probably less than 5%.
        
        -Microwave I don't use at all. But I used to.
        
        -Very wired at home. Cell Phone , computer with broadband. Home phone is a cordless 2.4ghz phone/answering machine. At work, which isn't every day, I have access to the internet, but it's limited. I take my Cell Phone , but rarely use it at work.
        
        -I definitely don't think I'm exposed to overly harmful chemicals either at home or work.
        
        -I don't think I have any allergies, except maybe the "supplement" 5HTP. It may have caused hives, but I don't know.
        
        -No food reactions ever in my life.
        
        -Past drugs- Minocycline for an extended period of time (several years), benzamycin a topical for Acne (several years), prednisone for an insane case of hives, 40mg a day, for a week, Accutane of course, 60mg a day for 4 months. The doctor wanted another month, I couldn't do it. Then I was on a couple of Rosacea drugs,the name brand doxycyline(i forget the name), an anti-fungal for seb derm, and Metrogel for Rosacea as well. Also, I was on Zoloft 50mg for 6 months, xanax .25mg PRN for the same amount of time (I only used ~twice a week) and 25mg Atenolol PRN, which I didn't use much. No current pharmaceuticals.
        
        - Over the counter drugs, I've taken benadryl rarely, and that's about it.
        
        -Marijuana infrequently, usually smoked, sometimes vaporized or eaten. Magic mushrooms (maybe three times about 5-7 years ago), alcohol infrequently, I tried Dextromethorphan recreationally once about 7 years ago, and Phenibut maybe once a month. I also tried Hydrocodone once and didn't feel it, so dosage was real low.
        
        -I am taking the cayenne, ginger, and curcumin that I described above.
        
        -No other strict protocols, other than trying to eat decent, exercise, get fresh air and sun, and practice good hygeine.
        
        -Oil pulling I feel has a positive effect, I do that every morning with various oils.
        
        -Binge drinking ( this hasn't happened in years) wasn't great. No surprise, huh? lol. I know the other drugs certainly haven't helped, either, both pharmaceutical and recreational. However, marijuana, when eaten, seemed to make my skin look way better. Don't know what's up with that.
        
        -A flu vaccine up the nose, once in my life, in late 2009. That is the most recent
        
        -I have 2-3 bm's daily, I explained above.
        
        -I have no juicer, but looked up the juicers that Unyquity linked in an earlier post.
        
        -Current health issues I'll start from the top down. Dandruff, thin/shedding hair, dry flaky skin, red face/blushing/flushing(especially in warm weather or anxious situations), tinnitus, extreme dry eye ( I can't stand this one, this one is connected with my blushing, once my eyes get too dry and gritty, for whatever reason my face gets hot and red, I don't get it?), extreme photophobia, poor night vision, moderate keratosis pilaris on my triceps, dry nose/flaky boogers, premature wrinkles(especially on my neck and hands/feet), cold hands and feet, along with purple fingernails and toenails, joints don't feel as well, inability to heal cuts/new acne, year old hives "marks," Acne came back, but only on my back, where it now scars very easily, yellow toenails,very thin skin ( I can see veins EVERYWHERE, and I'm not in THAT good a shape), sunburn easily. I think that's just about all of them.
        
        -Yea, went to a dermatologist (different than the one that prescribed Accutane.) On different visits, he told me I had Rosacea, Seb Derm, Keratosis Pilaris Rubra Faceii, he seemed to change his mind every time, seemingly not even realizing he was doing that. I don't agree. The only possible one in my view is Rosacea, but even then I don't think it's that. I think my skin is so much thinner, that the blood vessels are much more easily seen, but who knows. He suggested laser treatment, which I did have a couple sessions of VBEAM with no negative or positive results. My psychiatrist told me I had social anxiety/ depression. That, I do agree with. He suggested anti-depressants. Tried them with xanax and atenolol for six months than was done with them all.
        
        -No cleansing ever done.
        
        -I've tried acupuncture with seemingly no results.
        
        -At one point I had a strong, psychological addiction to Marijuana. I still smoke/vaporize/eat occasionally, but it is no longer apart of my life like it used to be. I only use about 1-2 times a month. I binge drank once a week, my freshman year in college for about a year (7 years ago.) After that, I couldn't continue and now if I drink, it's 2-3 beers tops, no more than 1-2 times a month.
        
        -Major changes in diet include adding a ton of chia and hemp seeds, oil pulling, coconut oil internally. very recently (ie last 3 or so days) is taking out milk, eating almost all raw, minimal meat. My stress levels are lower now then when I was teaching full time a year ago. There were many times when I was on the verge of panic attacks while teaching (full time.) Needless to say, I HATED my job at the time. Now I build/fix computers and substitute teach 1-2 days a week, as it is much less stressful for me, much easier for me to get through the day. I think that the less stressful situation has definitely lessened my typical anxiety levels, I don't wake up with a pounding heart like I used to when I taught full time. Also, I was able to to go hiking outdoors and take photos (I'm really into photography) which was such a healthy distraction. Once it warms up a bit, I plan on doing more hiking.
        
        -I don't know if I know the difference. Let me take a crack at it, though. My initial thoughts are that alternative medicine has a much broader scope. It can be anything from acupuncture, to electric shock therapy, to off label prescription drug usage, to meditating, etc. Basically, anything that isn't a part of traditional Western Medicine is my guess. Natural, I would assume would come from or incorporate nature/natural things into the program. I do, however, believe that just cuz' it's natural doesn't mean it's good. Opium poppies, useful yes, not addictive simply because it's natural? Not a chance. Same is true for many plants/drugs. As a weed smoker/eater, I've heard the argument that weed is benign because it's natural. I cannot prescribe to that, because, to me, it's absolutely ridiculous. I am big enough to admit I've had issues with a so-called "natural substance." So to me, natural doesn't mean it's good, just that it's from nature. However, natural things, to me, typically would be a better route to go down than pharmaceuticals, albeit with some exceptions (like I've mentioned.) Basically I am so skeptical, I prefer to form my own opinions about everything, from all sources. I think my experience with Accutane has made me far more skeptical of everything than I was before.
        
        -I have gone through so many theories about why my body/mind is in much worse shape than it was prior to the Accutane. I read on some forum that one guy is convinced that Accutane changed DNA structure, based on some article, and causes increased telemere shortening, resulting in vastly more skin shedding, no oil production, and lower life expectancy. My acupuncturist told me that was impossible. But oh yea, he was the one prescribing his OWN son Accutane. Clearly a biased source. When asked what it did do, he didn't know. It was news to him when I told him it was a chemo drug. Had I known it was a chemo drug when my derm was pushing it on me, I would've probably shit myself that she was pushing it on me, especially for moderate back/shoulder acne. I think I was so embarrassed about my Acne before, that I was driven to it. Now I have the same acne, but I don't even think twice about it, because compared to the myriad of other, way more serious problems, it truly doesn't matter to me. Wish I would've realized that before. But basically, I think my issue is a lack of natural oil production. I'm convinced all of my physical symptoms stem from that. As far as mental symptoms, I am quite sure they were both directly and indirectly caused by Accutane. Directly in the sense that I was more anxious and ancy while on the drug. When I got off the drug and my skin started getting worse and worse, my anxiety levels rised dramatically. Then since I had had anxiety for so long, Depression started creeping in. These are my theories, but truly I have NO clue why I am the way I am, on a biological level.
        
        -I'll apologize in advance for any spelling errors/grammar. This is so long, that I just don't want to proofread it, and I need to make an errand. Thank you Willowley and Unyquity for taking the time to get to know me and my situation.
        
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        Rink -
        
        Not just a skeptic, but a RAGING skeptic? I can not begin to tell you how wonderful (and refreshing) it is to see those words. Good for you (and for all of us that question everything).
        
        Burned once, shame on you - burned twice, shame on ME!   When it comes to taking responsibility for our own body, that's as it should be. Frustratingly when the research is done, we find that Big Pharma has not only owned Big Pharma, but also the AMA since before the turn of last century. Here's a brief synopsis (taken from an older post I made here: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1372970#i - which also has quite a bit of good information in it you'l likely want to read):
        
        It took MUCH more research to convince me. How can this BE? If a successful cure for every known disease has already been discovered, why don't the top doctors & researchers know it? (I've always been the "why child" - I've never trusted an 'answer' in my life if I couldn't understand why it was 'true'). So I dug deeper and found out why. In a very (very!) tiny nutshell, this country had 'free market' medicine until the early part of the 1900's...virtually anybody with any qualifications could 'hang out a shingle' and practice medicine - their practice 'lived or died' dependent on their success or failure. At that time, we had more herbal, homeopathic & natural healing colleges & universities than any other kind...and the young 'upstart' AMA was literally going bankrupt. (Note: the AMA was formed as what we know now, as a type of trade union, it's stated goal was "to protect the legal & financial interests of it's members", and that has never changed). The investors/pharmaceutical companies at that time basically 'purchased' the AMA before they went under, and invested 100's of millions of dollars in a broad spectrum "public relations campaign", that's still continuing (read: pure propaganda that would have made Hitler jealous!). They hired Edward Bernays :::insert scary music here:::, who was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and went on a 'public conditioning blitz' the likes of which had never been seen before (that I'm aware of). Focusing on the word "quackery" (the word 'quack' was a term for advanced mental patient at that time, but Bernays turned into a word for any natural healer that didn't rely upon 'safe' science & chemicals to treat illness), and with piece of scientific/medical bastardization known as the Flexner Report-1910, they bombarded the media and radio for DECADES, conditioning people that using herbs & natural healing techniques was DANGEROUS "quackery", and that only someone that had gone to an AMA university for years was qualified to understand the immense complexities of the human body. And once they had the public convinced, they turned to Congress...and in the 1930's it became illegal to practice medicine in this country unless one had graduated from an AMA approved college (read: pharmaceutical/investor owned & approved college...that controlled the curriculum). And the only "schools" of natural healing to survive the onslaught intact were the chiropractors & osteopaths (who had their own 'unions' and strong financial backing of their own). And when the dust settled, there were only a handful of 'other healing schools' left, and they quickly went bankrupt or were driven out of business.
        
        From that point onward, our physicians have been educated ('conditioned' is truly the appropriate word) at universities owned & operated by the AMA (pharmaceutical cartel). Obviously, true HEALING is not the goal of someone selling pharmaceuticals (they'd go bankrupt in a heartbeat if people weren't sick), and by inducing sickness by the use/sale of something they promise will make you better is the PERFECT profit plan. It is now illegal for ANY physician certified by the AMA to utilize any protocol or substance that's not approved by the AMA/pharmaceutical cartel. The last time I checked, a physician that does that can/will be fined $150,000, go to jail for 10 years, and lose their license...on the first offense. (This happened to quite a few doctors in the 'Laetrile Era' that researched Laetrile, found it effective/worthy, saved the lives of their patients, and then had their lives & careers destroyed).
        
        >>>>>"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship...To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic..., and have no place in a republic...The Constitution of this Republic should make special provisions for medical freedom as well as religious freedom." - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of Declaration of Independence; member, Continental Congress; B.S. Princeton U. <<<<<
        
        But here's where it gets REALLY ugly. Throughout the 'middle years' (30's - late 60's-70's) the truly natural healers that were left were brutally persecuted (as were those that attempted to follow in their footsteps)...and then "supplements" hit the market. A whole new "science of healing". Remember: society has already long since been conditioned to 'get their healing from a bottle' and to base their treatment on "science"...and lifestyles were becoming more hectic, more 'electronically advanced' (more poisonous electromagnetic frequencies), women were leaving the home to work, etc. And so begun a (possibly) worse scenario - those that 'had a clue' and turned away from allopathic "science" and disease-causing drugs & barbaric surgery, now turned to "alternative medicine & science" (which is virtually TOTALLY based on the same false science that the AMA ensconced throughout the world). And now we have a multi-billion dollar "alternative/supplement industry" that plows us with THEIR "truth". And for the most part, those that have 'seen the light' about allopathic medicine *think* they've found the answer in naturopaths & supplements. But nowadays it's truly RARE to find people reporting true cures on sites like this from alternative medicine...one symptom is relieved only for more to pop-up, etc., etc., etc. And that's because what we're doing is NOT NATURAL...but our bodies ARE NATURAL.
        
        Of you really want to 'get into' the history of it all, this site has the best information, history, and documentation I've found: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#beginnings
        
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        >>> I love the fact that you are personally involved with all of this. It isn't foreign to you. My last psychiatrist didn't even believe me when I told him what Accutane had done. How much could I really trust him?<<<
        
        Frustratingly, I understand that sentiment all too well. Although my mother (now 70) is still alive, she's lost over 15 years of it (and basically any hope for any future happiness or physical well-being) due to vicious, soul-raping chemical cocktails handed to her from 'well meaning' psychiatrists...of which none that I'm aware, ever took more that 15-20 minutes to talk with her before writing a script. I was also poisoned for 15 years on psych-drugs, having been convinced by psychiatrist of my 'genetic predisposition' and told I'd have to take them for the rest of my life. Hence, part of my personal involvement is motivated by a goodly portion of healthy rage.   :::wink::: It works for me! :)
        
        As you might surmise, I'm totally overwhelmed with trying to keep up with it all. I have your 'Q&A' pasted into Word and I'm working on a complete response with protocol suggestions & recommendations. At this point it's looking like it's going to be at least a couple more days; my apologies for the delay.
        
        After reviewing your answers & issues, I want you to know there's nothing you've shared that seems "incurable" or overly complex to me. You've been poisoned; it has stressed, congested and compromised your body - particularly your immune system and liver, and there's likely quite a bit of pharmaceutical residue in your colon. The anxiety may be a side effect of all that; an issue unto itself, or a combination.   Our bodies are hardwired with the schematics to detoxify, heal & live - all we have to do is make sure that we assist our body back to it's normal functioning and homeostatic balance/harmony and it will do the healing. Of course, you'll have quite a bit of learning and unlearning to do; and the toxic state of the world doesn't help matters much...but the end result is being completely in control of your health & body. Bottom line? You can restore your healthy/body and be your OWN "doctor God", I'm sure of it! :)
        
        Be sure to check this one out for starters (you'll love it, methinks): How "Cure" Happens - Dr. Kenneth R. Sutter If you think of anything else you think I should know (or have any questions), don't hesitate to post them in the next day or two. I see every post that is posted, so I can add those in while I'm compiling everything else. There's no such thing as too much information.
        
        Healthiest of blessings,
        
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        Unyquity,
        
        That's some interesting stuff on Big Pharma and the AMA. I didn't realize just how deep the connection was between them, but it really isn't surprising at all. It truly is sad that people who were practicing natural medicine and helping some people were vilified and persecuted because of money being thrown at them. Just another blemish on America's shoddy record with injustices to certain groups of people without money or power.
        
        I had the same EXACT experience as your mother when I visited my psychiatrist. 20 minutes after sitting down with him, I walked out with three different prescriptions. I was unsure if that was a good thing or a bad thing at the time. Now, it is clear to me just how stupid and downright irresponsible he was being, despite following "proper protocol." On subsequent visits, he would casually ask me if I wanted more Xanax or something else. It really shocked me how casual he was being with one of the most painful and life-threatening drugs to withdrawal from (Benzos.) It makes it incredibly easy to see how people get hooked on these pharmaceuticals that are every bit as addictive as "street drugs," but it's worse because pharmaceuticals also encourage denial, since the "good doctor gave them to me" is how way too many addicts feel. I don't know if you watch many movies, but the movie "Requiem for a Dream" showcases this last point in a terrifying manner with Ellen Burstyn as an amphetamine (diet pills, the doctor says) junkie and she goes downhill, fast. Kind of hard to watch.
        
        After searching different popular forums where there were large amounts of people who were suffering from strong, lingering Accutane side effects, I read about their journeys to their respective doctors, being placed on tons more prescriptions, except these were Lupus drugs, anti-seizure drugs, and other extremely hardcore drugs that are being put into an already significantly compromised system. Clearly, after the prescriptions I had been prescribed, I couldn't follow in their footsteps.
        
        You are very inspirational and motivating. You seem very convinced that with proper procedure I will be able to get back to "normal." That definitely excites me. I will say, after eating mostly raw (with one piece of cooked meat per day, no milk, basically no refined sugar,etc.) I am already feeling a bit better mentally and having softer bm's. The only issue I find is it's harder for me to feel full. I can get plenty of carbs/fat, but protein seems harder to me.
        
        Because of this I have a few diet questions. How are hard boiled eggs (maybe 2-3 a day)? Cooked Brown Rice? Is about 6-8 ounces of cooked lean meat a day going to work? I'm fine with no dairy right now, because I feel that may be a negative contributor. Is a high percentage of my diet coming from seeds (chia, sunflower, hemp, all raw), nuts (cashews, almonds, pecans, walnuts, all raw), oils (virgin coconut oil, virgin hemp oil), fresh fruits, and vegetables okay? Also, where do I get the gambit of essential vitamins and minerals from? I assume that I won't be getting them all daily through diet alone? I used to take a multi-vitamin but haven't for a couple weeks.
        
        Also, out of curiosity, have you ever helped develop a protocol to help someone who is afflicted with lingering Accutane side effects years later? (other than Ray, of course.) What were the results? I've heard of people who have taken Accutane and 20 years+ later still have the same side effects. I really, really don't want that to be me.
        
        Healing myself would be incredibly empowering. I definitely have learning and unlearning to do and am excited for this. Thanks for the reply, the links (which I will read,) and taking the time to write a "personalized post" to help guide me through recovery. Take as long as you need, I know you are VERY thorough.
        
        Edit: This is gross, but when I took a bowel movement today after dinner, it was much looser and had a ton of mucus in it. So I'm not sure if it's Candida. There was no "string cheese" looking stuff, but lots of mucus. I have been eating very differently though, lately, so perhaps that has something to do with it.
        
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        I've been reading around the forums and am starting to think I have adrenal fatigue. It would make perfect sense, to me anyway.
        
        I definitely masturbate way too much. From the time I was around 12, I've masturbated a lot. Porn use has been standard since maybe 17 or so. I have tended to masturbate between 1-5 times a day, not knowing why I always felt so compelled to do it so many times daily. But that part is irrelevant for this discussion (I know I have psych issues.)
        
        Combined with periods of frequent marijuana use (as well as periods of sobriety) and constant anxiety post-Acctutane (it's hard to say, but I feel like I've masturbated more frequently post-Accutane than prior to taking it) I feel like there is a good chance that my adrenals are pretty taxed.
        
        My symptoms match up fairly well. Very cold hands and feet all of the time, thin and dry hair and skin, serious light sensitivity and poor night vision, cold intolerance, fatigue, etc. I will attempt to cease masturbating multiple times daily and ween myself to hopefully only once or twice a week and see if that helps at all. This will probably be harder than any diet change for me, but I am now motivated to drastically reduce frequency.
        
        But then again, it seems those symptoms could indicate any number of things. Just throwing another piece of information out there, Uny.
        
        Edit: For many years (both pre and post-Accutane) I have also lifted extremely heavy (for me) at the gym. Exercises mostly consisting of heavy (usually between 2-6 reps and til failure most sets) barbell squats, barbell deadlifts, bench and military presses were the core of my workouts. Clearly that kind of all-out lifting is also taxing on the adrenals. I would be consistent with that type of lifting for 4-5 months at a time (then I usually slack off and not work out much for a while) maybe once or twice a year. The last time I was lifting like that was from March -July of 2010.
        
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