Diatomaceous earth / kidney question 
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I have some kidney issues and slightly reduced kidney function which is made worse from parasite infection. I started to take Diatomaceous earth today 1tsp x 2 so far and I have noticed that my kidney pain is noticeably worse. I was hunting around on the net and some sites say that silica can help kidneys but also came across some articles that suggested the too much silica can cause irreversible kidney damage (See last sentence of paragraph in article below)
Horsetail is generally considered safe. Horsetail will promote urination, adequate fluid should be consumed when taking horsetail preparations orally. People with heart or kidney disorders should not use horsetail. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should not take horsetail. Horsetail is contraindicated in those who have edema because of an impaired heart or kidney function. Horsetail is known to block the absorption of thiamine, and lead to thiamine deficiency. Long-term use or high doses of horsetail have caused irreversible kidney damage due to too much silica.
Can you please give me your input on this. Thanks very much- Re: Diatomaceous earth / kidney ques... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,737,523I have some kidney issues and slightly reduced kidney function which is made worse from parasite infection. I started to take Diatomaceous earth today 1tsp x 2 so far and I have noticed that my kidney pain is noticeably worse. I was hunting around on the net and some sites say that silica can help kidneys but also came across some articles that suggested the too much silica can cause irreversible kidney damage (See last sentence of paragraph in article below)
Horsetail is generally considered safe. Horsetail will promote urination, adequate fluid should be consumed when taking horsetail preparations orally. People with heart or kidney disorders should not use horsetail. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should not take horsetail. Horsetail is contraindicated in those who have edema because of an impaired heart or kidney function. Horsetail is known to block the absorption of thiamine, and lead to thiamine deficiency.This is only true of fresh horsetail grass (shavegrass). The fresh herb contains the enzyme thiaminase, which is why it can reduce thiamine levels. But the enzyme is destroyed upon drying or cooking.
Long-term use or high doses of horsetail have caused irreversible kidney damage due to too much silica.
This is untrue. I do agree with their statement to avoid the herb in cases of kidney disease or heart disease. I also recommend avoiding it in cases of Raynaud's disease or phenomena as well as diabetes. This is why you never see me recommending this herb since it is impossible to screen everyone who may use the herb. But the problem is not with the silica in horsetail. In fact bamboo is 7 times higher in silica than horsetail grass, but I recommend this because it is a much safer silica source. The problem with horsetail grass is that it contains nicotine, which constricts the blood vessels. This can lead to problems in people with already impaired blood perfusion such as diabetics, or those with kidney disease, Raynaud's or heart disease. Bamboo on the other hand actually dilates the blood vessels increasing circulation. So it does not pose the dangers of horsetail grass.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,737,866Thanks for your reply as always Hv, however could you elaborate on why the DE could cause kidney pain? The pain comes on about 20 mins after taking it. Today my kidney pain is worse and I am a bit worried I have damaged them in some way, and I also feel incredible sick and have thrown up a couple of times this morning.
I am pretty gutted as I really thought that the DE would be of great help in getting rid of my parasites but am now resigned to not being able to use it again.
Going by my experiences so far Im not convinced that herbs alone are going to get rid of my parasite problem and Dr's lab tests have not picked any up for a Dr's prescription is not an option either. The milk kefir helps a bit but only goes so far. Is there anything else other than herbs and fermented foods that you could recommend that is very effective to kill parasites off as I am really struggling physically and now mentally with this.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,894This happened to me also w/ DE but only in the beginning. I have calcium oxalate stones, 'mostly silent.' Here's my theory: if there are crystals, deposits, or small stones in the kidney, they are lodged or embedded in some way in the ducts or tubules, pushing against the tissue causing an indentation. Along comes silica which strengthens arterial walls and similar tissues, so the duct walls or tubules straighten out, i.e. push back against the crystals, narrowing the ducts and tubules, b/c they are returning to their normal, healthy diameter. And this would cause pain.
Only other thing I can think of is that the silica agglomerates together w/ existing crystals, if you have some, basically enlarging whatever debris is there originally. But I've read tons of sites on this, like the ones you mentioned above, but also more scientific ones--no mention of this reaction. I suppose I could do a search on orthosilicic acid+calcium to seriously look...
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This is a reply to # 1,737,946Thanks for your reply Cargoshorts66.
Im at a lose as to what to do. The pain is still there and there has been quite a noticeable change to the frothiness of my urine which I know is protein even though I dont eat any meat. This kidney pain and frothy urine always go together which is why I was thinking that I may have damaged my kidneys more. Also the fact that I feel very sick and have thrown up plus I have really dark circles around my eyes that have appeared overnight make me think that something is wrong. (Any ideas HV?) I am always dehydrated due to my kidney issues so dont know if this is a bad combination with the silica in the DE as cant find any info on the web.
What dosage did you take of the DE? and did you have any other urology problems like protein in urine? And how long were you using the DE before your symptoms cleared up? Were you doing anything too help your kidneys at the same time? Sorry for all the questions but I really dont want to mess up my kidneys. If you have had kidney problems yourself and can offer any other advice I would be very grateful. I already follow HV's advice and take nettle leaf, magnesium & malic acid. I also make parsley tea and drink lemon water.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,953I'm on my way out, can't answer everything now - I'll edit this later.... But I would take a break from the DE for now. Definitely try Celery seed tea. I put the Celery seeds in a mortar/pestle, crush them up. I use 1 tbsp per 24 oz water... You might want to buy some protease. Take 2 capsules before bed, far away from food to break down proteins outside the GI tract. Also watermelon--eat the fruit, buy the seeds and make tea.- Re: Diatomaceous earth / kidney ques... #128526
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This is a reply to # 1,737,982Thanks for your help. Will check back later.
EDIT - tried some parsley tea and the pain is worse again, now all over my back - a little bit concerned.- Re: Diatomaceous earth / kidney ques... Hveragerthi
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EDIT - tried some parsley tea and the pain is worse again, now all over my back - a little bit concerned.
This really sounds like an issue of calcium oxalate stones. You should avoid oxalate sources which include parsley. Here is a link with foods containing oxalates:
http://www.seekwellness.com/incontinence/low-oxalate-diet.htm
Some herbs are also high in oxalates such as rhubarb root, sorrel, yellow dock, purslane and cat's claw.
Excess vitamin C in the body also breaks down in to oxalic acid. So do not take high levels of vitamin C.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,982I originally started using the DE as a silica source--1/4 tsp in a gallon container of drinking water, swish it around, let it get cloudy, saturated (no pain). But then I was reading about how it really helps people have good BM's, and also that it shreds parasites, and since I have candidiasis I started wondering if it might also shred fungal candida in the intestine (relative size of the diatoms vs. the fungal candida?). So I took a tbsp in a glass of water, and later I got pain in my right kidney. I might have done this twice. Pain in rt. kidney wasn't so uncommon back then so I wasn't sure it was the DE. Then I did a 1/2 tbsp of DE and got the pain but much milder. But that was pretty much the end of it. I continue to take 1/2 tbsp once or twice a day, no pain. I think it might be a case of going from deficient in silica to an abundance. They say anyone w/ candida has leaky gut--maybe a lot more DE/silica got in than would have otherwise. I also got, around that time, a horizontal ridge on the fingernail of my left index finger, shaped like a speed bump, no discoloration. It grew out.
No protein in the urine. But I do get gout-like symptoms--a pain in my right big toe from time to time. It starts out softly then rises then subsides, not acute like classic gout. It goes away for days maybe weeks at a time. Been going on for about 3 or 4 years. I know all about purines, etc., hence the Celery seed tea. And yes, I was using kidney cleanse teas long before the DE. I've used about 6 different ones now and I think they all work, but slowly. (watermelon/seed, chanca piedra, concoction (w/ marjoram, cat's claw, comfrey, fennel, etc), nettle leaf, magnesium malate, Celery seed. I've also been doing tomato juice/celery/parsley but I'll probably stop that due to the calcium content.)
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No protein in the urine. But I do get gout-like symptoms--a pain in my right big toe from time to time. It starts out softly then rises then subsides, not acute like classic gout. It goes away for days maybe weeks at a time. Been going on for about 3 or 4 years. I know all about purines, etc., hence the celery seed tea.
Gout can involve a lot more than simply high protein or purine intake. It can also be from alcohol intake, hemolytic anemia, certain medications, hypothyroidism, etc.
And yes, I was using kidney cleanse teas long before the DE. I've used about 6 different ones now and I think they all work, but slowly. (watermelon/seed, chanca piedra, concoction (w/ marjoram, cat's claw, comfrey, fennel, etc), nettle leaf, magnesium malate, celery seed. I've also been doing tomato juice/celery/parsley but I'll probably stop that due to the calcium content.)
Again cat's claw and parsley are not recommended in cases of kidney disease due to the oxalic acid content.
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This is a reply to # 1,739,348"It can also be from alcohol intake, hemolytic anemia, certain medications, hypothyroidism, etc."
In the last few years I've had various blood tests--my numbers have always been normal. Is there any way they can test to find out the cause of my gout symptom? I don't drink and I don't take medication.- Re: edit/update Hveragerthi
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"It can also be from alcohol intake, hemolytic anemia, certain medications, hypothyroidism, etc."
In the last few years I've had various blood tests--my numbers have always been normal. Is there any way they can test to find out the cause of my gout symptom? I don't drink and I don't take medication.Normal labs will rule out a number of causes. And not drinking and not taking medications rule these causes out. But this still leaves a number of potential causes so it could take a lot of testing to narrow it down further. Since hypothyroidism can cause this and hypothyroidism is pretty common I recommend starting by checking your basal body temperature. A consistently low temp combined with other hypothyroid symptoms can indicate a low thyroid. Also make sure you are drinking plenty of water and eating a low purine and uric acid diet.
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This is a reply to # 1,739,629i have just learned that gout is a buildup of acid in your body... so you can do most blood test and you never find it ...doctor are making money ..they have run every test on you ...can't find anything wrong...so you go from doc to doc for years ... an now you're obese your stomach is sticking out like your nine months pregnant...but you don't over eat ..your urine is dark orange.. you feel ill every day you get what i call attack headaches ...skinny pencil poops mixed with slimy diarrhea ...every joint hurts badly ...you feel like you have the flu every day ..on and on tired..and tired ...you have to nap ...you just can't get up any more ...its insane...but doctors are making money .. and they don't care ...they are going to get as many years out of you... as they can ...out of you being ill ...i started to take the bamboo silica 70 mg one tablet worried with all my health problems ..but read it was one of the best silica's to take ..and it grows 5mm every hour ....i do have many health issues including gout..i do have high levels of acid ...anyhow... i have tried this pill ...it's only been a couple of days ...i did get watery and i mean watery diarrhea ..but i could have a bit of the flu...but i also think that the silica is removing the toxins too.... so im not to worried ...and stopped for one day just not to overdo things ...but i did notice my joint pain going away feeling better....my stomach is going flat because the silica is working like a diuretic(removing excess fluid) i think i did see some tiny little worms ...not all worms are huge... ahhah just to let people know ..you just might not notice them ...but im pretty sure i saw some ....as for hair and nails well it hasn't had enough time ...i do have a mild case of diabetes type 2 mild meaning my sugars are kinda of borderline ..but i will let people know... how that is going so ...if it makes another's life bearable ..but just so you know they don't recommend this product for people with kidney disease ...but my theory is that ...my system has been fighting so long that it became diabetic from not being able to get rid of the toxins, worms, parasites and acids that put me there in the first place ....how is it that a person gets to 300 lb and is not diabetic ...that doesn't eat two plates of super .. over eat or drink pop or chocolat ...its a known fact you have a high acid in your body ...it destroys everything and is a breeding ground for cancer,yeast, acne, destruction of bones and nobody knows about this silia hummmmm and they didn't know what was wrong ...something smells fishy with the medical system ...people ask yourself this if they haven't found your problem ... you have to ....o one last thing sugar...white Sugar is a breeder of yeast and will coat your vessels and cause blood pressure issues and heart problems,high cholesterol and diabetes and bowel problems an i not saying that the case for everyone ..go to half a teaspoon of brown Sugar if you can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners...that will help you tremendously.... just thought id share and thank you for sharing
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Im at a lose as to what to do. The pain is still there and there has been quite a noticeable change to the frothiness of my urine which I know is protein even though I dont eat any meat. This kidney pain and frothy urine always go together which is why I was thinking that I may have damaged my kidneys more. Also the fact that I feel very sick and have thrown up plus I have really dark circles around my eyes that have appeared overnight make me think that something is wrong. (Any ideas HV?) I am always dehydrated due to my kidney issues so dont know if this is a bad combination with the silica in the DE as cant find any info on the web.
Still sounds like a kidney stone issue, and they are probably shifting. Maybe from all the water you are drinking with the DE, which is being suddenly excreted through the kidneys.
I also make parsley tea
Parsley contains oxalates. Probably not a good idea right now since calcium oxalate stones are a good probability.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,953The pain might be the herxeimer effect which is the toxins released due to the killing of the parasites. You might try a different (herbal) type of parasite cleanse before returning to the diatom earth. para cleanse from nature's sunshine followed by tiao he cleanse can be helpful.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,946This happened to me also w/ DE but only in the beginning. I have calcium oxalate stones, 'mostly silent.' Here's my theory: if there are crystals, deposits, or small stones in the kidney, they are lodged or embedded in some way in the ducts or tubules, pushing against the tissue causing an indentation. Along comes silica which strengthens arterial walls and similar tissues, so the duct walls or tubules straighten out, i.e. push back against the crystals, narrowing the ducts and tubules, b/c they are returning to their normal, healthy diameter. And this would cause pain.
Only other thing I can think of is that the silica agglomerates together w/ existing crystals, if you have some, basically enlarging whatever debris is there originally. But I've read tons of sites on this, like the ones you mentioned above, but also more scientific ones--no mention of this reaction. I suppose I could do a search on orthosilicic acid+calcium to seriously look...
Sorry to post theories, James, I know you're not a fan of this...Not a problem, I am guessing as to the possible cause as well. The only thing I really have a problem with is people posting assumptions or proven bogus things, such as "liver flushes" as fact.
The part that has me stumped in the quick reaction. Twenty minutes is hardly enough time for the silica to even be absorbed in any significant amount. So maybe it is something else like the water source, not the silica.
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This is a reply to # 1,737,894Thanks for your reply as always Hv, however could you elaborate on why the DE could cause kidney pain? The pain comes on about 20 mins after taking it. Today my kidney pain is worse and I am a bit worried I have damaged them in some way, and I also feel incredible sick and have thrown up a couple of times this morning.
Silica is poorly absorbed regardless of the form, so there would not be any way to get enough in to your system to even be a potential problem. If you are prone to calcium oxalate stones this could have something to do with it. Silica increases calcium absorption, which could increase urinary calcium excretion. The only other thing I can think of is something with aluminum or lead being excreted since silica helps to eliminate both.
I am pretty gutted as I really thought that the DE would be of great help in getting rid of my parasites but am now resigned to not being able to use it again.
Going by my experiences so far Im not convinced that herbs alone are going to get rid of my parasite problem and Dr's lab tests have not picked any up for a Dr's prescription is not an option either. The milk kefir helps a bit but only goes so far. Is there anything else other than herbs and fermented foods that you could recommend that is very effective to kill parasites off as I am really struggling physically and now mentally with this.If you cannot do the DE then the next best choices would be neem leaf with a little yucca root to aid in penetration. Otherwise raw pumpkin seeds, papaya seeds, green papaya and horseradish are all excellent antiparasticals. Again a little yucca root will help with penetration in to parasites and eggs.
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This is a reply to # 1,738,118Hi,
Thanks to you both for the info.
I had the weirdest night woke up at around 4am and felt incredible sick. Between 4am and 7am I threw up over and over again and my sick was a red colour and havnt eaten anything red for quite some time. Dont know if I was being paranoid but there were things in my sick that looked a bit like baby worms but cant be sure. Also had really bad twitching in my intestine and there was rice in the toilet from my BM's this morning so all this episode might have been primarily caused from massive die off from worms, especially tape worms.
Feel better for throwing up and the kidney pain isnt as bad now but my urine was quite dark this morning. Im going to stick with the herbs for now and the Kefir as even if the DE was killing parasites I dont think I could handle that again.- Re: Graphic info dont read if you ar... Hveragerthi
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Feel better for throwing up and the kidney pain isnt as bad now but my urine was quite dark this morning.
Being dehydrated can cause this. And vomiting can dehydrate you.
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This is a reply to # 1,738,361I had the same happen to me last night...threw up and kidney pains after drinking 3 tablespoons of DE and 1/2 teaspoon of ozonated olive oil- high doses, I know
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