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I am planning on taking a medication for parasites and would like some guidance please.
I have almost finished a course of Paragone. I have seen some interesting 'thingys' in my stool but I am not educated enough to tell you what they are. My main problem is a Pin Worm infestation. I have been unable to affect any change what so ever.
As LoricLady suggests, I will try Noxzema but would like to start getting an education on meds.
It may be worth a try because there is no way of knowing what other kind of nasties I have living in my body.
My thought is that if I am going to take one of these drugs, I may as well do a long course of it to get rid of as many types of parasites as possible.
1. What are your thoughts on these drugs?
2. Do I need a prescription to get these in the USA?
3. What are the side effects (other than what is listed on pages from the drug companies) and what is the die off like?
Any and all suggestions and info is greatly appreciated!
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- Go to the Drug forum, and why. Js.mom
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THe biggest reason that the forums got split into two forums, is that there are people like myself that really don't like to see people resorting to animal dewormers, ordering pharma drugs that should be taken under a Dr's care off of the internet- from countries that who knows what the quality of them is...or ordering fish tank Prazi off of ebay.
Here's a good example of why people here have concerns.
#1 People have NO idea what types of parasites they are killing, or where they are located. Most people think of the parasites as being in the intestinal tract, and that seeing them in the toilet is the indicator of if they are killing parasites or not.
The person in this post, got a heck of a scare, using Zimectrin Gold horse dewormer. It has both Ivermectin and Prazi in it.
One of the main parasites Ivermectin is used for, is filarial type worms. I have a case of the stuff on the shelf for the horses-- and there is a warning on it about the reactions horses can have if a big bunch of filiarial (O. Volvolus) parasites are killed at one time. They are in the lymph and blood. It wouldn't be any different if a human killed off a bunch of them in the lymph and blood.
Another filarial worm, far more common than people have a clue, is the Dirofilarial Immitis worm. Dog Heart Worm. What happens to the dead worm carcass that is now deteriorating in a closed cavity?
Prazi..is not only hard on the liver, but it is one of the main drugs used under a Dr's supervision..for parasite cysts in the brain. Corticosteroids are used with the Prazi, because of swelling that takes place in the brain if a parasite/cyst is killed there.
I was just watching a documentary about how malaria has become resistant to drugs that should be effective for it..because of the fake drugs that only have a small amount of the parasite killing stuff in it. ARE the pharma drugs that people are getting off of the internet what they think they are, or are they fakes too? How safe are they? Just yesterday, I was listening to the news and they were talking about the men that had ended up in the hospital from purchasing viagra over the internet, from a foreign country.
Do you think this person was scared from the reactions he got from taking the horse dewormer? Like he said..how could he then go to the ER, and tell them what he had taken? For one thing, it states right on the box of animal dewormers what it is intended for, and it's not meant for human use. These boxes of horse dewormer say right on them to not give them to smaller animals like dogs. Certain types of collie dogs, die from having Ivermectin given to them.
Want to ask about using drugs for killing parasites? And this isn't just singling you out, it's happening more and more (again). Please don't do it on this forum, go to the Drug forum.
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When people are being told that Zimectrin Gold is "for the dog tapeworm"...take a look at what the dog Tapeworm cysts look like. There's a reason that Hulda Clark calls them the most dangerous parasite. That is what her "Clark cleanup" is for, the Hydatid cyst. It can get as large as an orange, and is full of scolexes. The brain and liver are the two most common places where they are found.
http://www.neurosurgeryvideos.com/play.php?vid=261
Edit: Viable (live)scolexes while using Albendazole (trial tests)
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/17426473?src=emed_ckb_ref_0
Albendazole induced ruptured cysts:
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijpm/vol6n1/cyst.xml
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good point,then lets all run to the nearest doctor and ask to be cured of parasites.sometimes these drugs work and are taken out of a life and death situation of desperation and sometimes they save lives even at half the recomended strength.I would love to take them under doctor supervision but the most famous nyc parasite doctor lied to me straight faced after spending thousands to convince my stubborn wife I was not lying and my daughter needs help.They made me walk again,even though now I opt for tumeric,vitamin D,oregano oil,cats claw,artessimen,clove,black wallnut,just to name a few.Forget the animal dewormer,it can kill you,albenzadole is no cure but helps.It stabalized me.what a run on rant that was,now i need a smoke.
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This is a reply to # 1,560,905I think albenzadole stirs them up more but am unsure which kills them better
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I ground up so many cloves my coffee grinder lid melted and lost a half an inch, and I still wonder where the plastic went...I stopped grinding cloves for now untill I get a new grinder. I have taken maybe a pound of Wormwood too, and hundreds of dollars of Black-Walnut tincture.
>What happens to the dead worm carcass that is now deteriorating in a closed cavity?
It goes strait to the liver. Just try giving a horse a liver flush.
Sure I also took many many grams of [fish] prazi, and it was just fine for me. I can sincerely say that taking Prazi has been one of the better things I ever did in my whole life. I'm gonna get another 50g jar shortly. I'm gonna get the horse wormer stuff soon just for fun.. I even have some bloodroot if I get suicidal. Why do I hear countless scattering stories from people just from taking herbs? Is this the parasite herbs forum? In many cases herbs are downright dangerous, inducing scattering- yet I've heard the same thing from taking the drugs. Killing bugs in general is dangerous, just as is not killing them. Life is not safe. Obviously everyone needs to do a few more enemas- me included LOL. But if one has scattered/disseminated roundworms you'de better not rely on just a few herbs, cuz they won't do Jack. For me, herbs killed some but finally just pissed them off. Albendazole just killed the roundworms. Everywhere. For me, that was the holy grail. Albendazole and prazi got the hatchlings that I felt everywhere.
Re Swelling in the brain? Whoopty do.. I've spent hours electroshocking my brain till I saw visuals with every pulse. Chased them right out. I can still see colors and have all my faculties. (easy comeback for you here)
But seriously, I still have at least one kind of tapeworm, after a year at this, and I have heard of nothing concrete on this forum to actually kill them. Tapeworms are nasty any way you slice it. Maybe I should start a Tapeworm forum where talk of Ascaris is not allowed. Maybe Ascaris are actually symbiotic and eat the tapeworms..But don't say that on the Tapeworm forum.
Sure if one blindly kills a bunch of stuff and does not do Liver Flushes [oops should I go to the Liver Flush Forum ?] there will be a whole new problem. It would be great to know what mix of parasites one has, but since inadequate 'medical' tests more often than not show nothing, a best guess is all most of us ever get. Ive had god knows what in my brain just blatantly crawling around [after taking herbs], and I had full insurance knowing full well there was absolutely nothing my insurance would do. Nothing. Did I take drugs for that before they made nests up there? You bet. Did I prostrate myself in front of a 'doctor'? No. Sure there are cases where killing bugs have drastic side effecs, but how many people die of strokes [bugs in brain] heart attacks [hearworm?], diabetes, cancer etc etc. whom never tried or heard of parasite cleansing? none of this is at all safe.
The main thing I know is that everyone is truly on their own and if herbs don't work then you better switch gears and and go to the other forum. You will only get dissed here for daring to bring it up. So, if I mention bloodroot will I be encouraged to repost in the bloodrood forum? Or Miracle-Mineral-Supplement - should that only be allowed in the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement forum? Or if I post in the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement forum about parasites will they chase me here? I think this behavior is juvenile. Someone created this lame need for multiple parasite forums and surely they have more cleansing to go still.. OOps wait, this post maybe should go in the parasite *debate* forum. You all crack me up ;)
I do agree that this all would be better in the other forum. Did I piss anyone's worms off?
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Albendazole induced ruptured cysts:
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijpm/vol6n1/cyst.xml
I did not know albendazole was helpful for hydatid cysts. I saw pieces once after a liver flush. It looked like a piece of a sphere. Good thing I did 3 rounds of albendazole, and another one later!
It states:
..Albendazole was continued in all patients to prevent potential risk of the dissemination of the disease.
..Another patient who had multiple cysts received multiple cycles of albendazole therapy and had a significant reduction in cyst size and had asymptomatic rupture of another cyst one month later. The patient had complete disappearance of the ruptured cyst. Another two patients decided to go for surgery.
..They concluded that conserative management with albendazole should be considered before surgical intervention even when complications occur, surgery is rarely needed if albendazole is continued following rupture.
What I read is this:
1) Albendazole can influence cyst rupture- which is good. It has to break up in order to be eliminated. The alternative is surgery, where they still recommend albendazole.
2) Patient with multiple cysts where one even ruptured had *complete disappearance* of the cyst. Good
3) there has been no report of dissemination of the disease following albendazole induced cyst rupture. Super good.
Like I said-its the 'Holy Grail'. Did I miss something here?
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Yes, actually you missed something pretty important here. The medline link didn't open up, but here's what it says..even continuing albendazole for 3 months (prior to surgery), viable cysts may still be identified, and following surgery, treatment should be continued for another month. They are talking about liver cysts. By the way, they can be the size of an orange.
>>We concluded that in treatment of hydatid cyst, albendazole should be continued at least for 3 months preoperatively and if still viable scoleces are identified, medical treatment should follow the surgical intervention at least for 1 month to decrease the possibility of residual cysts and recurrence.>>
The decaying remains of cysts/ parasites in a closed cavity, like the brain- will NOT go through the liver and won't be eliminated through the bowel. It turns into a bacterial banquet.
>>Removal of the solid elements of the parasite, that is, the laminated and the germinative membranes, is essential in achieving cure for any given cyst. The laminated membrane, if left behind, is a nonabsorbable foreign body and hence a nidus for bacterial infection. The germinative layer, as the name implies, harbors innumerable viable scoleces. Drainage or needle aspiration of the fluid contents of lever hydatid cysts will decompress the high internal pressure of large viable cysts, the real reason why such cysts become symptomatic. This is only a temporizing measure, however, as liberated scoleces will, in the ling run, recreate another cyst, this time a multivesicular one. A single viable scolex, left behind, is potentially capable of multiplying by asexual reproduction into millions of new microscopic scoleces
oral Albendazole or Mebendazole therapy will control 50%
For complicated liver hydatids, always symptomatic because they have ruptured into the biliary system with resulting obstructive jaundice, or because they have become secondarily infected, there is no alternative to open operative intervention under full visual control>>
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I agree with you and I feel very similarly.
IMHO I have found that if you are severely infested and very sick with both parasties and candida overgrowth and near death, it literally becomes a matter of life and death and you really don't mind using whatever will work to get you well; because things don't seem they can get much worse.
For me, a comination of both (herbs and pharms) and electric medicine (zapping) and magnetic pulsing has been my way of dealing with my heavy infestations. And this journey has been over 2 years, trial and error, and trying various things.
When it comes to regular pharms and vets medicine, many will tell you going to the vet has done them more good than going to a human doctor. What are vets concerned with?: yeast overgrowth and parasties and this should be the main concerns of our human doctors also; but sadly it isn't.
What I'm learning and have learned so far about using pharms is that you learn from the animal studies and these can be easily googled.
Big thing to know is that if you use pharms including Prazi, Flagyl & Albendazole, you don't want to take a large mega dose of it in a single dose because its killing power can mean you can damage your kidneys/liver and block your colon with dead worms and other parasites too quickly and this can have very serious implications. It has killed goats, and it can mean hospital for you. There are some dosing ideas all over Curezone depending on the type of infestation. Flagyl can be taken on a single dose, but its not recommended and has lower efficacy than repeated lower dosing.
Also, you have to clean your bowels first before pharms if you are not going at least 2 times per day using enema, colonic irrigation or Colon Cleanse with herbs to make sure you have clear transit for these worms to leave quickly and easily through regular bowel movements. You cannot risk having a bowel blockage.
Therefore, if you are going to use pharmas for killing worms and parasites, make sure you bowels are working very well first and then commence with small doses of pharms and work up and continue using it if you suspect a cyst erruption. Add zapping and herbs to finish off the job.
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Wow! What a response to this post! Thank you all!!!
I didn't mean to start a debate but hope you will continue to help me decide on a path to take.
I will tell you a little about my very recent and desperate searching for help.
Firstly, I'd like to say that it was a homeopath that has been attempting to help me that has asked me to resort to these drugs. I know very little about all this and ask your patience and guidance.
I am infested with pin worms and who knows what else. My main concern right now is that the pin worms are causing me distress all afternoon until sometime well after bed time that I can finally fall asleep. I have an anal fistula that I believe may be caused by pin worms. An anal fistula is not life threatening, I know but it most certainly is quality of life threatening! Most people are too ashamed to admit having an anal fistula, let alone talking about it or seeking help from a doctor.
The fistula is caused by and abscess, that causes an opening that drains near the anus. It constantly gets infected and leaks. Stool can even pass through the opening.
I suffered with a fever, nausea and feeling really terrible for months. After and number of courses of Antibiotics , the infection returns immediately. Also, the odor is extremely foul which, of course, is humiliating.
After researching this disorder, I find that the only medical approach is surgery; they cut you a**hole to fistula, right through the sphincter. That of course can cause incontinence and from what I've found, the surgery mostly fails. Some poor unfortunate people have not only suffered with the shame of living with an anal fistula but have suffered 6 or 7 operations. The reason that I am posting in the parasite forum is because I believe that there is a link between pin worms and anal fistulas. Pin worms burrow through flesh, that could cause an infection, that could turn into an abscess, that could cause a fistula. I feel the pin worms crawling out the fistula opening. There is just one other person that I have talked to about this that has a fistula and he too has felt them wiggle out the fistula opening. This of course, will prevent it from ever healing and will cause re infection.
I am just finishing the Paragone and I've been using the Terminator for almost 2 months and the last two weeks wearing it 24/7 on my belly, with no relief from the pin worms what so ever. I have seem some kind of parasites in my stool but am not educated enough to know what they are. I use Antibiotic ointment and have tried Vaseline with lavender oil. It just seems to make things worse. When I use anything like this, they invade my vagina. I'm afraid to use anything that will drive them up there even farther.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anything about these medications and I find it confusing when drugs that a homeopath recommends are what some of you called horse wormers and such. He/we have gotten concerned enough about my condition to resort to drugs. Unless there is a better way. I hate taking drugs but can not continue to live like this!
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Hi there,
Terminator seems to work well over long periods of use but very unlikely to get into the bladder, intestines and colon.
I'd continue to wear the Terminator continuously but ALSO get yourself a good high quality traditional zapper (and you'll see the difference) http://www.petzapper.com
is the one I like and provides good quality and service from my experience. Both have their place, but a traditional zapper is very important.
Also if you are able down the track consider purchase a magnetic pulser through Sota and/or Klemmens, and start increasing your oxygen intake through food grade hydrogen peroxide, and consider commencing Iodine therapy too. These protocols can be reasearched here at Curezone.
What's good about this cyst is that it sounds as though its easy to get to and not internal, meaning you can treat this yourself directly. You could try some different types of suppositories into the anus, including ozonated olive oil for example in capsules. You could research dabbing the cyst with Iodine or injecting it with ozone. There's lots of ideas but please research the effacy and safety of each before you try. They are just ideas off the top of my head.
I used Flagyl after years of trying other things and it seemed to have killed off quite a large colony. Time will tell whehter the results are long standing.
When it comes to our own personal issues; it all depends on what is ailing you, and tests are sometimes not dependable. For many, its trial and error until you see results.
My motto is, hit it with everything I can get my hands on; slowly but consistently and cycle different approaches. I don't think one thing alone ever works.
I'm sure your efforts will pay off, and I'm sure others will have ideas.
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A good ND or homeopathic physician, should have biofeedback techniques that work well for finding out what specific pathogens you are dealing with.
It's never just parasites, there will also be different forms of bacterias, viruses, fungi and toxins that will also be with the parasites. Homeopathics have been one of the main things my Alternative Dr has used for hitting the Epstein Barr Virus, Cytomegalovirus, and a host of bacterias that were affecting my spleen from killing off a variety of parasites. Systemic Formulas was some of the main herbals that he had me using. The VRM4 is also for flukes. I would hope he would be doing some type of muscle testing or something with you.
I was fortunate to have had him working with me with the load of parasites though, because the biofeedback testing was extremely important for knowing what herbal products I needed, depending upon what was being killed at the time. And, definetly not in the doses that are given as instructions on the different products, dosages always were done by how I tested that I needed them.
The two common CZ parasite killing products...wouldn't have worked for me. After the first 3 months, Barefoot's never again showed to be an effective product for me. Different blends, and different herbs kill different parasites from a different angle. The Systemic Formulas products have totally different herbs than are found in most broad spectrum herbal deworming products. They are more specific for what types of parasites are being killed. I would never have known to use other dewormers with other different blends on my own.
PHarma drugs address parasites only.
If the practitioner does biofeedback testing, a weak thymus is involved with pinworms.
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Hi Geritol ~~
Reading your witty comments about the Hatfield-McCoy battles between the two parasite forums really made me laugh.
I'm so weary of all the nanny-nanny, boo-boo, whining, & doom & gloom warnings from the kitchen herb folks ~~ calling others "drug dealers" who use 21st century medicine to treat illness & disease!
They complain about others "trespassing" into their purist-drug-free forum & "stealing" their readers. Too funny.
We may be "educating" others about the proper use of medicines but certainly aren't "poaching" them. (hee hee)
Here's my recent comeback to 1877: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1572339
It's so true that "laughter is the best medicine"!
Cheers ~~ ICU
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Basic Parasite Drug Protocols: Roundworms, Tapeworms, Flukes, & Protozoa: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1574645#i
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