I really like this forum, and I am not bothered about Rs and RRRs. I can work out what's right and wrong. Thanks to all those who contribute, and the creators. It is a private forum after all, like mine, forum 989, the next one created after this.

I'd urge people to read the China Study before they consider the so called vegan / non vegan issue. You can actually get a copy here http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4574329/The_China_Study_-_The_Most_Comprehens...
- if you are into file sharing. Just go look at the Amazon reviews. Dr Campbell has put decades of his life into this book.

I'll let others make a decision on the merits of which type of diet, but I would love to see some other opinions from people who have read even parts of this book.

A quote from page 240:

"Our food choices have an incredible impact not only on our metabolism, but also on the initiation, promotion and even reversal of disease, on our energy; on our physical activity, on our emotional and mental well-being and on our world environment. All of these seemingly separate spheres are intimately interconnected.

I have mentioned the wisdom of nature at various points in this book, and I have come to see the power of the workings of the natural world. It is a wondrous web of health, from molecules, to people, to other animals, to forests, to oceans, to the air we breathe. This is nature at work, from the microscopic to the macroscopic."

Although food is not the only thing in the great quest for truth, I think this is really a very basic issue. I had an experience of enlightenment back in the 1970s, and I would say the two most important books I have read on the subject are the Shack, and the China Study. Both books are often given away, neither has an advertising budget. I discovered the Shack a year ago, and only recently the China Study. I spent a lot of years looking at the spiritual side of things without considering what I ate. But as Dr Campbell said...

"Conceptually, I believe in holistic health, but not as a catchphrase for every unconventional and oftentimes unproven medicine around. Food and nutrition, for example, are of primary importance to our health. The process of eating is perhaps the most intimate encounter we have with our world; it is a process in which what we eat becomes part of our body. But other experiences also are important, such as physical activity, emotional and mental health and the well-being of our environment. Incorporating these various spheres into our concept of health is important because they are all interconnected. Indeed, this is a holistic concept."

Incidentally, it was probably vitamin B12 that was the missing factor in a vegan diet. If we were in touch with the land we would get it from plants, it is a bacteria, but if we keep washing veggies and our skin in petrochemicals we need to supplement, some people may need to supplement on this alone. Our ancestors did not need to do this because they were closer to nature.

I think to realize our full potential, we need to reconnect with nature.

Thank you, LC. I'm happy to hear that. I am a bright girl and can pick and choose and decide for myself! Besides, I like sifting through ALL the posts. I have found in many of the forums, that the "R" posts are not necessarily my favorites....many are just based on the biases of the moderator..

Just IMHO.

L, A.

Ahhh, now if we are calling things what they are, everytime you wash or clean something, you are murdering millions of living being, bacteria. When you pull up a living plant to eat it, you are murdering that living being.

When we take a belief system to its ultimate end, this is what we get. We become so limited by our beliefs that we are paralised to do anything at all. Which is why people don't like to follow a system to its logical end. They call this extremist and silly and impractical. Saying that someone is a murderer or blood sacrificer, becomes the same as saying that someone who eats plants, or washes themselves is a murderer, when you take away all the emotive positions, and follow the logical line of this belief system, this is what you end up with.

All beings are equal, including humans, to choose those beings which you would kill, or eat, is in fact saying, as George Owell did, "all beings are equal, but some are more equal than others"

I veiw this differently, I think that it comes down to intention, If you kill, whether it be for food or not, and your intention is to cause suffering and pain, you will be unbalanced in your energy. I've found it very helpful to be aware of my intention in everything I do, and to be aware of my own energy.

In my own town, people became aware of the treatment of battery hens, people did not intend to cause suffering to the chickens whose eggs they ate, so they stopped buying eggs from the battery farm. The battery farm went out of business because people did not want chickens to suffer because they ate eggs. Intention changed the lives of these chickens, who are now all free range.

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The tone of that post was a bit much. Sorry.

I think if we just examine information and try our best not to make things personal we will be helping to keep this forum a great place to be.

The rest is just egoic details.