Can you OD on nutritional yeast? 
tierra
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I'm so hooked on it. It's like MSG. I can easily take 6-12Tbsp a day. I'm not sure if one can OD on that stuff!?! I do know that RedStar nutritional yeast is fortified with Vit. B (unnatural?), so I should probably go easy on that. Is there any nutritional yeast not fortified with vitamins so that I can eat w/o guilt?
-mny, mny thx, tie
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Re: Can you OD on nutritional yeast? unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,427,890Can you "OD" on it? Yes, you can OD on anything, even water.
Yes, it's 'fortified', but it also contains naturally occuring B's (which is likely why Schulze approved of it). Because all the natural alkaloids/phytochemicals required to process the B vitamins are in there, it's likely FAR less of a stress or imbalance on the body.
The yeast we're after is:NON-Active Saccharomyces cerevisiae Nutritional Yeast This yeast is grown on beets and pure molasses. It is the second highest source of complete protein in nature, (50%), and the richest source of B Vitamins. It is also a rich source of iron and many other minerals. The yeast we choose is heated high enough to absolutely destroy any yeast activity, but not high enough to lessen the B Vitamin content. It is totally NON active and safe for patients with candida albicans or on yeast-free diets. (from Schulzes Superfood info - he recommends Red Star, which is what we/he uses...as far as we know)
Saccharomyces cerevisiase yeast is also the active yeast found in Brewer's yeast; as you likely know, Brewer's yeast is VERY bitter. I have searched the internet far & wide to find a source for pure saccharomyces cerevisiase yeast, and the only thing (close, but no cookies) I've ever been able to find is from Frontier, with this description:
Brand: Frontier Bulk
Ingredients: Organic yeast autolysate, organic rice flour, sea salt. May contain wheat.We have no idea how much rice flour & salt is in this, and obviously cannot use anything that 'may' contain wheat (as that would rule out being used for anyone with wheat sensitivities or celiac disease).
I'm not concerned about the nutritional yeast that Schulze used successfully for decades, what I'm concerned about is your nutritional balance and intake. I seem to recall reading one of your posts awhile back where you mentioned you were not juicing (???) and drinking relatively small amounts of purchased carrot juice (???). You should be striving for a gallon of FRESHLY juiced juices with a good nutritional 'mix' and potassium broth and for added nutrition, slippery elm porridge. If you're not doing this, your body is going to be throwing you cravings left & right and you're sabotaging your own healing process (and your body).
All of Dr. Schulzes patients juice-fasted or ate raw/vegan...and they were in FAR worse condition than anyone on this forum. None of them (to my knowledge, as a general rule) had more than 6T of Superfood daily - which equates to 3T of nutritional yeast...yet you're ingesting Superfood and up to 12T of nutritional yeast daily??? Gerson did raw/vegan (with raw liver juice initially, then a liver supplement after he discovered how toxic beef livers really are), with a very occasionall slice of rye bread & cup of yogurt. On Christopher's 'official' IP, there was 100% juices for the first 3 weeks (plus slippery elm porridge), and then he started allowing one meal a day of raw/vegan food as below:The Fourth Week and On
Continue to rotate the three juices each week as before. This program is life- sustaining as the patient is taking rapid-healing and wholesome food. If the patient desires more solid food, just add one solid meal each day. This meal should consist of a good fresh vegetable combination salad (as many raw fresh vegetables as you desire). If a salad dressing is desired, use a natural one, such as one made with fresh olive oil, apple cider vinegar or lemon juice, and, if desired, a small amount of honey, grated fresh onion and garlic to taste, savory salad herbs, coarse freshly ground black pepper, etc.A small serving of presoaked, low-heated grain may also be added. This is done by taking the whole uncracked grain (wheat, rye, millet, buckwheat, barley or whole oat groats) and soaking it with distilled water. Soak in a cool place so it won't sour, up to twenty hours depending on the hardness of the grain. Then low-heat it in a stainless steel or Pyrex double boiler for twelve to fourteen hours. Use a food thermometer and do not allow the temperature to rise over 130° F. If you use a crockpot, equip it with a dimmer switch or some other type of control so it will not overheat. He also recommended doing this by:For the last method, put the soaked grain into the bottle, about 1/3 full. Add the boiling water, turning the thermos a few times so that all the grain is treated. Let this sit all night, and in the morning the grain should be soft and palatable. He claimed if the grain was presoaked, that it would still be 'alive' (and sprout) even with boiling water added in the thermos.In whole live grain you have nearly every known vitamin and mineral known to mankind, but this live food must not be killed by overheating. Professor Arnold Eheret and the Rodale Press have both advised against the use of grain because of its acidity. In its hard state, grain is generally a pH 5. By using presoaked, low-heated grain we raise it from the objectionable pH 5 to a pH 7 which is easily assimilated.The salad and grains must be chewed thoroughly until they become liquid before swallowing. These additions can be used in the healing routine as long as is desired. On this type of food a person can live to a ripe, healthy old age. As the individual improves in health, a larger variety of fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts and seeds can be used. Later, all the lentils, beans and harder seed types with longer soaking and more low-heating can be added. With these, and low-heated grains, delicious casseroles may be created. Also, potatoes which are steamed or slow baked using their skin are a very good food. Use fresh olive oil on them and coarse ground black pepper and, if desired, chives and/or other herbal seasoning.Use no salt, sugar, eggs, meats, bread, milk or dairy products. In a short time you will find the hidden hunger will leave by using the food recommended. The cravings will disappear and will be replaced with a cozy, unbloated, satisfied fullness that will bring ease and peace.It's okay to "up" the Superfood to more than 6T (with the good balance it has of all the other nutritional goodies), but I advise against that much nutritional yeast. And EVERYBODY needs to remember this:
Because of the years of improper eating, the body is now suffering from malnutrition. This is because food is not being assimilated, causing starvation of the bodies cells. It is not the amount of food that has been eaten matters, but the quality and how well it has been assimilated. We may take a healthy quantity of food into our bodies, but only that which has been properly assimilated can be utilized for rebuilding and repairing cells and malfunctioning areas. Proper assimilation is acquired by drinking the solid foods and chewing the liquid food. This is an old and true axiom. What this means is we should thoroughly chew our solid foods which mixes the saliva with the food until it becomes liquid, and then we drink it. The liquid foods must be swished (or chewed) in the mouth, then swallowed. The saliva thoroughly mixed with the foods is the key that opens up the doors of digestion. Without mixing saliva with the food, the balance of the digestive juices are not activated for good assimilation. By gulping or inhaling our food without properly mixing saliva with it, we get only eight to ten percent of its value. By properly chewing, we can raise this to forty or forty-five percent. The remainder is generally cellulose or indigestible fiber. We not only receive better health but also save money. Food is one of our largest expenditures. If we can get four to six times better assimilation and use four to six times less food, we are saving a lot of money! By this simple method alone, which gives better assimilation, we gain superior health and a happier life. With one fourth or one third of the food we have been used to eating, we can receive much more power and energy. Remember, a large part of attaining good health results from chewing both solid foods and liquid food
Blessings of health -
Unyquity
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- Re: Can you OD on nutritional yeast? tierra
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I thought Dr. Schulze grows his own yeast? I don’t think he specifies which yeast he uses on his website. The non-fortified brewer’s yeast I found at a local health food store is not tasty at all, so I went back to Redstar which is super yummy! I just wish they have a non-fortified version.
I'm still juice-fasting, Day 47, sorta (had a few bite-size salads/fruits). After the 3rd LF (Day 27), things didn't seem to go very well.... LF seems to wear me out, with or without ES. I feel very weak, really nauseous, waving back and forth, starting to lose weight, poor sleep, undereye circles and puffy eyes. I'm becoming more irritable, holidays are my worst nightmares. There were times I wanted to quit fasting, but I know the healing has just begin, I shouldn’t stop now. I'm hoping it's a just a phase, it’ll pass, I need to stick to fasting until I’m completely healed. I know that my digestion and assimilation is still quite poor, with all the juice fasting and CEs I do, my skin and hair shouldn’t be dry at all. Esp. after LF, I’d get really dry, itchy scalp with lots of dandruff!?! Is that normal? I’ve been really gassy lately, explosive, high pressure GAS, esp., after CE or in the middle of sleep (while the liver is at work?) My husband asked if my anus has turned into a trumpet…… LOL! As for elimination, the undereye circles and the slightly yellow palms are definitely not a good sign. I take 8 IF#1 a day, 1-2 natural bms and 1-2 CEs clean me out pretty well. I tried the AC poultice on the liver overnite. It didn’t draw out anything and still smells quite fresh the next day. I dunno what’s that suppose to mean. I’m going to do the clay bath as soon as I get the clay.
I did my 4th LF over the memorial weekend - a big 3/4" golden stone came out. That was very encouraging! Although I’m still experiencing all the aforementioned symptoms and becoming increasingly sensitive, my right rib and the reciprocal left lower spine are constantly feeding and yanking each other. I can feel every inch of the muscles wrapping around the spine are trying to release! They’re struggling and being held and locked by my right upper body. I know I need to flush more often. Meanwhile, I’m hoping the milk thistle seed would come to the rescue and the BC&F tincture will help with the repair and nourish the damaged tissues.
I finally realized superfood is the one messing up my taste bud; although I didn’t take that much of it, only 4-6Tbsp daily. But, living solely on SF and carrot juice on those dreadful post LF days did throw me off balance. I need to slowly re-build my superfood tolerance and rotate my juice more often. I’ve been cutting down on carrots and taking a break from all the herbs (except IF#2) as well as superfood for the last couple of days, I have to say I feel much less nauseous (stop detoxing!?!). It's nice to take a break, reset, and re-start. Thinking back, my taste buds have really changed… When I 1st started IP, I didn’t like the yeast in SF, as I go deeper into IP, I wanted more and more of it until I’m totally hooked and OD’ed!
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The Fourth Week and On
Continue to rotate the three juices each week as before. This program is life- sustaining as the patient is taking rapid-healing and wholesome food. If the patient desires more solid food, just add one solid meal each day.
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What is Dr. Christopher’s take on rotating 3 juices each week? (Sorry if it’s on the CDs, I couldn’t read them on my primary PC, drive compatibility issue.) Anyways, I take minimum of ½ to 1 gallon of carrot juice daily. I used carrot juice as a base for all my veggie juice. Apple, parsley, garlic, ginger, lemon I consume on a daily basis. The others I rotate, like the neutral greens (lettece, celery, cucumber), the blue/purple (kale, beets, cabbage) and whites (cabbage, fennel, potatoes). I take watermelon once in a while (with lots of ginger or cayenne). Other mushy fruits like mango, papaya, peaches I either eat (one slice) and put the rest through the juicer and mix with water; everything at very low rpm. My dinner is usually a few cloves of garlic with some oil, lemon and black pepper (It’s kinda like Dr. Schulze’s mild LF w/o the water). I’ve been treating myself with a few very thin slices of raw potatoes lately.
I’m glad to know about Dr. Christopher’s alternate meal plan… But, given my conditions, I’m really not sure if I’m ready to do one solid meal each day?
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Gerson did raw/vegan (with raw liver juice initially, then a liver supplement after he discovered how toxic beef livers really are), with a very occasionall slice of rye bread & cup of yogurt.
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Not familiar with Gerson's therapy... Is rye bread and yogurt okay? I love those! But again, don’t know if I’m ready, esp. for bread and diary.
-mny, mny thx, tie
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- Re: Can you OD on nutritional yeast? unyquity
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I thought Dr. Schulze grows his own yeast? Who KNOWS what he really does now???!!!! He won't publicize ANY of his formulas, nor will he give specific ratios, nor will be clarify the 'yeast issue. don’t think he specifies which yeast he uses on his website. He recommends Red Star specifically by name & # in the SYL manual . It certainly appears that in his "new & improved" and his old Superfood that he uses/used Red Star - the flakes look the same. The non-fortified brewer’s yeast I found at a local health food store is not tasty at all, so I went back to Redstar which is super yummy! I just wish they have a non-fortified version. If I ever find one, I'll let everybody know.
I'm still juice-fasting, Day 47, sorta (had a few bite-size salads/fruits). Good job, Tierra!! After the 3rd LF (Day 27), things didn't seem to go very well.... LF seems to wear me out, with or without ES. I feel very weak, really nauseous, waving back and forth, starting to lose weight, poor sleep, undereye circles and puffy eyes. Liver flushes can be VERY Exhausting...but if the "underlined" lasts for more than a day or two, then you likely need to take a bit of a break and give your body a chance to catch up with all your aggressive maneuvers :) I'm becoming more irritable, holidays are my worst nightmares Pardon the phraseology, but (to me, too) holidays suck.. There were times I wanted to quit fasting, but I know the healing has just begin, I shouldn’t stop now. I don't know if I agree with that entirely. There's no reason you couldn't take a 3-5 day break if your doctor within thinks that's a good thing. Remember this is NOT about "textbook perfect" (that can ALWAYS get us into problem zones). Listen closely to your body. You're not going to go 'backwards' on a few days of raw/vegan eating...if that's what seems right to your body. I'm hoping it's a just a phase, it’ll pass, I need to stick to fasting until I’m completely healed. I know that my digestion and assimilation is still quite poor, with all the juice fasting and CEs I do, my skin and hair shouldn’t be dry at all. I didn't know that CE's had anything to do with dry skin - I'd get some Miracle II moisturizer/lotion if I were you - it's THE bomb! Esp. after LF, I’d get really dry, itchy scalp with lots of dandruff!?! Is that normal? nope. Generally dandruff is a fungus that is ultimately cured by the body becoming less acidic. 'Tis likely a true 'detox reaction' from all the toxins/acids you're releasing. I’ve been really gassy lately, explosive, high pressure GAS, esp., after CE or in the middle of sleep (while the liver is at work?) Yes, the liver being compromised and 'unclogging' causes a lot of gas - also the junk being dislodged in your colon. My husband asked if my anus has turned into a trumpet…… LOL! That's hilarious! I know that trumpet!
To help with the gas, try some peppermint tea (just put the leaves in a pot and pour boiling water over them, cover and let steep for 10-15 minutes...don't boil the leaves, just pour boiling water on them - no other heat). And you can add a teaspoon of charcoal to every dose of IF#2 - that'll help adsorb some more of the toxins that are being released. As for elimination, the undereye circles and the slightly yellow palms are definitely not a good sign. The yellow skin can be caused by the carrot juice. I take 8 IF#1 a day, 1-2 natural bms and 1-2 CEs clean me out pretty well. I tried the AC poultice on the liver overnite. It didn’t draw out anything and still smells quite fresh the next day. I dunno what’s that suppose to mean. When I do the liver/charcoal poultices, mine smell 'fresh' the next morning too...but I can tell they really help my liver. I’m going to do the clay bath as soon as I get the clay. That'll be great. I did my 4th LF over the memorial weekend - a big 3/4" golden stone came out. Good for you (AND your liver!) That was very encouraging! Applause! Applause! Although I’m still experiencing all the aforementioned symptoms (you've come a LONG way, baby!) and becoming increasingly sensitive, my right rib and the reciprocal left lower spine are constantly feeding and yanking each other. I can feel every inch of the muscles wrapping around the spine are trying to release! They’re struggling and being held and locked by my right upper body. Can you get your hubby to do some seriously deep massage on those tight muscles? And don't forget foot reflexology for those muscles! I know I need to flush more often. Meanwhile, I’m hoping the milk thistle seed would come to the rescue and the BC&F tincture will help with the repair and nourish the damaged tissues. BF&C is great stuff...and milk thistle is fantastic for the liver (in a LOT of different ways).
I finally realized superfood is the one messing up my taste bud; although I didn’t take that much of it, only 4-6Tbsp daily. With all the changes you're making in your body, you likely can't just blame the SF for the change in taste buds. Ours have changed many times, depending upon a LOT of different variables. Salt is particularly at issue. But, living solely on SF and carrot juice on those dreadful post LF days did throw me off balance. Solely carrot juice & superfood for more than a week, soley. ::::sigh::: I'm not even going to 'go there'. I need to slowly re-build my superfood tolerance Superfood isn't something you have a "tolerance" or intolerance of (unless you're having 'reactions')...it's just simple nutrition. and rotate my juice more often. PLEASE do start a more well-balanced juice/everthing regime. I’ve been cutting down on carrots and taking a break from all the herbs (except IF#2) as well as superfood for the last couple of days, I have to say I feel much less nauseous (stop detoxing!?!). I don't know if it's 'less detoxing' as much as it is stopping something your body seems to have had WAY too much of (carrots) & nutritional yeast. It's nice to take a break, reset, and re-start. Yes...and re-evaluate! Thinking back, my taste buds have really changed… When I 1st started IP, I didn’t like the yeast in SF, as I go deeper into IP, I wanted more and more of it until I’m totally hooked and OD’ed! Ya live ya learn, eh? We've ALL got to remember that when we first start juice fasting & cleansing that our bodies DO react differently as they get adjusted. When this happens, sticking to the program basics are essential. By adding/changing things because we think we know what is happening and what we think we need (when all we need is to just 'stick with the program' and 'see it through'), we can seriously slow down or negative impact our progress.
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The Fourth Week and On
Continue to rotate the three juices each week as before. This program is life- sustaining as the patient is taking rapid-healing and wholesome food. If the patient desires more solid food, just add one solid meal each day.
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What is Dr. Christopher’s take on rotating 3 juices each week? Same as the first 3 weeks. One week of each juice (Sorry if it’s on the CDs, I couldn’t read them on my primary PC, drive compatibility issue.) Remember, this is Dr. Christopher's IP, not Dr. Schulzes...he didn't do mono-juicing - and neither did Gerson. Personally, I don't see the logic in it, and it seems nutritionally imbalanced. Of course, Dr. Christopher included daily slippery elm gruel (very nutritious) AND daily full body rubs with 3 different oils...and the produce then was MUCH more nutritionally complete. Anyways, I take minimum of ½ to 1 gallon of carrot juice daily. I used carrot juice as a base for all my veggie juice. I think that's a LOT of carrot juice daily...that much per day for one week maybe, but if that's what you've been ingesting every day for over 45 days, it's no wonder your hands are yellow. Apple, parsley, garlic, ginger, lemon I consume on a daily basis. The others I rotate, like the neutral greens (lettece, celery, cucumber), the blue/purple (kale, beets, cabbage) and whites (cabbage, fennel, potatoes). Those are all great! I've never heard of juicing potatoes, but if it works for you, then fine :) I take watermelon once in a while (with lots of ginger or cayenne). Other mushy fruits like mango, papaya, peaches I either eat (one slice) and put the rest through the juicer and mix with water; everything at very low rpm. Yeah, sometimes I eat some of the mushy ones, too. But I LOVE peach juice to mix with the others...yum. My dinner is usually a few cloves of garlic with some oil, lemon and black pepper (It’s kinda like Dr. Schulze’s mild LF w/o the water). I’ve been treating myself with a few very thin slices of raw potatoes lately.A few thin raw potato slices can't hurt you, but I don't know if they actually do much 'good'. ???
I’m glad to know about Dr. Christopher’s alternate meal plan… But, given my conditions, I’m really not sure if I’m ready to do one solid meal each day? I'd use the 'alternate meal plan' ONLY if you be SURE to chew each bite into total liquid. You NEED the enzymes for your digestion. And if you're not already, you should start "chewing your juice" :)
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Gerson did raw/vegan (with raw liver juice initially, then a liver supplement after he discovered how toxic beef livers really are), with a very occasionall slice of rye bread & cup of yogurt.
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Not familiar with Gerson's therapy... Is rye bread and yogurt okay? I love those! But again, don’t know if I’m ready, esp. for bread and diary. These were added ONLY "when ready" (I'm almost sure) - I don't think you're likely ready for bread OR dairy....and Dr. Christopher NEVER used any type of dead grain like "flour'. We're working our way off flour this summer.
-mny, mny thx, tie many many 'welcomes - Uny
- btw...Bright Shining Star Award for ... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,428,220In case some of you don't know it, this gal has made AMAZING strides and has phenomenal tenacity & stick-to-it-iveness...and she deserves a serious round of applause!
APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE!
I think she has likely learned more (and had more initial frustration & hard-to-deal-with symptoms) than anybody so far...but she is turning things around for herself VERY effectively.
Tierra, you are *definitely* a bright & shining star!
Unyquity-
Yowwwwwzaaaaahhh!!!...Re: btw...Brig... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,428,238Yeah!!! Everybody up!
One of my FAVORITE songs!
Rock on, Girlfriend! Wooo! You're an inspiration!
Wings- Re: Yowwwwwzaaaaahhh!!!...Re: btw..... tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,428,351>>>Rock on, Girlfriend! Wooo! You're an inspiration!
You have no idea! Your Starbucks detox experience is one of my greatest inspiration! It's written into the permanent storage area of my ROM/brain! Everytime I had a craving for something, it's when I take it out... ;)
-luv u, tie.
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This is a reply to # 1,428,238Thank you sooo much... Uny.... :::tears::: I wouldn't have gone this far w/o yr help. IP is definitely no easy task... I think I'm just more desperate than most ppl....
-A Million Hugs and Kisses, tie...
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- SuuuuperBread! (was Re: Can you OD o... tierra
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…Redstar which is super yummy! I just wish they have a non-fortified version. If I ever find one, I'll let everybody know.
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Can you imagine the kind of culinary potential Redstar has… Replacing MSG and Panko Bread are just two off the top of my head!
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I'd get some Miracle II moisturizer/lotion if I were you - it's THE bomb!
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Yeah, I've seen you mentioned it quite a few times in other posts. Does it do anything to thinning hair and soft nails too?
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Esp. after LF, I’d get really dry, itchy scalp with lots of dandruff!?! Is that normal? nope. Generally dandruff is a fungus that is ultimately cured by the body becoming less acidic. 'Tis likely a true 'detox reaction' from all the toxins/acids you're releasing.
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Yeap… Two of the four LFs I woke up in the middle of the nite and scratched my scalp like crazy. One I scratched the side of my nostrils. The last one I didn’t scratch. Will see what happens with the next flush… With the amount of garlic I ingested, I sure had killed a lot of those critters. I’m actually quite surprise that I’ve never seen any critters/parasites in my poop though.
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My husband asked if my anus has turned into a trumpet…… LOL! That's hilarious! I know that trumpet!
To help with the gas, try some peppermint tea (just put the leaves in a pot and pour boiling water over them, cover and let steep for 10-15 minutes...don't boil the leaves, just pour boiling water on them - no other heat). <<<
Dried leaves okay? Does it have peppermint or any mint will do? I know I can get fresh organic mint leaves; not sure about peppermint; never look for it. I suppose I can grow some on my own J.
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And you can add a teaspoon of charcoal to every dose of IF#2 - that'll help adsorb some more of the toxins that are being released.
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Wow, that’s a lot! 1 tsp for every tsp of IF#2? I’ve been adding 1/4tsp to every tsp of IF#2 which I take 3 times a day.
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The yellow skin can be caused by the carrot juice.
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Absolutely. Whatever carrot that didn’t get assimilated and eliminated (fast enough) got re-absorbed and purged thru the skin. With the amount of carrot juice I consume, it’s a miracle that I didn’t turn into a walking carrot stick. (I used to take a fraction of what I take now and was yellow all over. My MD thought I had some serious liver issue.) I know that it’s the CEs! I dunno exactly what it does to take the load off the other elimination organs, all I know is that after 3 initial CEs, my yellow fingers were gone. Now, I’m only left with slightly yellow palms. I really think CE has been under-appreciated and under-utilized. It deserves the same status quo as LF if not more. I’ve come to realize that LF excels at purging stones esp. big stones and CE excels at purging everything else… mostly mucous, stale bile liquid, thin mud or sludge…). And, for every cycle of LF, the purge always begin with some stones, followed by loads of mucous and ends with some clear mucous or white onion skins. It’s been pretty consistent for me.
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When I do the liver/charcoal poultices, mine smell 'fresh' the next morning too...but I can tell they really help my liver. I’m going to do the clay bath as soon as I get the clay. That'll be great.
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Yep… It smells so fresh, I was always tempted to re-use it!
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Can you get your hubby to do some seriously deep massage on those tight muscles? And don't forget foot reflexology for those muscles! I know I need to flush more often.
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I’ve been asking him to rub the Deep Tissue Massage Oil on me after every shower lately. He’s the worst masseur in the world! I’m not kidding, he doesn’t know how to use his fingers at all. On top of that, he can’t stand the “Bengay” smell. Well, needless to say, I just give-up…..
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Meanwhile, I’m hoping the milk thistle seed would come to the rescue and the BC&F tincture will help with the repair and nourish the damaged tissues. BF&C is great stuff...and milk thistle is fantastic for the liver (in a LOT of different ways).
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Have you ever tried Golden Coin Grass? That’s next in line if the milk thistle seed doesn’t work out…
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I finally realized superfood is the one messing up my taste bud; although I didn’t take that much of it, only 4-6Tbsp daily. With all the changes you're making in your body, you likely can't just blame the SF for the change in taste buds. Ours have changed many times, depending upon a LOT of different variables. Salt is particularly at issue.
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Mine change many times over the past month… esp. my sensitivity to sweetness in many veggies has been greatly enhanced. And, for the last 2/3 LFs, I’d taste nothing afterwards and esp. sweetness!
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But, living solely on SF and carrot juice on those dreadful post LF days did throw me off balance. Solely carrot juice & superfood for more than a week, soley. ::::sigh::: I'm not even going to 'go there'.
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Oh…No.. Only for a few days in a row. As soon as I re-gained some energy, I would juice more variety.
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…Ya live ya learn, eh? We've ALL got to remember that when we first start juice fasting & cleansing that our bodies DO react differently as they get adjusted. When this happens, sticking to the program basics are essential. By adding/changing things because we think we know what is happening and what we think we need (when all we need is to just 'stick with the program' and 'see it through'), we can seriously slow down or negative impact our progress.
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Absolutely!!! It’s so good to hear your voice and all the re-asurance and encouragement!
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blue/purple (kale, beets, cabbage) and whites (cabbage, fennel, potatoes). Those are all great! I've never heard of juicing potatoes, but if it works for you, then fine :)
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I’ve even juiced yam! Potatoes are wonderful. You should try it! Speaking of juice… Have you ever tried the organic carrot juice from Trader Joes? It tastes so rich and sweet just like the juices out of a twin gear GreenStar. Although I can never imagine myself using that machine on a daily basis. I only brought in some carrots to test out my friend’s machine. It was a pain in the neck! I do have to admit the taste (and most likely the quality?) of the juice is superior to the Omega.
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I take watermelon once in a while (with lots of ginger or cayenne). Other mushy fruits like mango, papaya, peaches I either eat (one slice) and put the rest through the juicer and mix with water; everything at very low rpm. Yeah, sometimes I eat some of the mushy ones, too. But I LOVE peach juice to mix with the others...yum.
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Ah… I ran a watermelon test last nite. Wow! I was waving back and forth and I ended up with a mild headache all nite. I think certain fruits/veggies with what Chinese Herbal Medicine would call the “cold/cool” property are way too detox for me. Anyone battling with any chronic diseases are doomed to have over-worked adrenals. And, when you’re on IP, you’re both physically and mentally exhausted, it certainly would hurt to give those little guys a little TLC. I haven’t had a period/menstruation since started IP (~2mths). It’s probably normal, given that all the energy went into detoxing/healing, there’s nothing left for reproduction! Well, at least I try to convince myself with that theory. Anyways, I ordered some ashwangada root powder (for adrenals) as well as your female formula (for the other glands). Siberian ginseng would be next inline if those two didn’t work out.
BTW, I love peach juice too. I also found strawberries or celery leaves very fragrant and can jazz up the juice and get rid of some less palatable taste in certain veggies.
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....and Dr. Christopher NEVER used any type of dead grain like "flour'. We're working our way off flour this summer.
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Are you going to make “live” flour made with raw sprouted grain!?! I’d be the 1st in line to purchase that! Oh… And toss in some low-heat and slow bake recipes as well…. Hopefully, I’ll be healed by the summer. And together, we can make some SuuuuuperBread! …Drooling Badly…………..
-Thx and Madly In Luv w/ U (Don’t tell Rocky… Wink…Wink…Wink ;))
- lololol You're in the Zone, girl!...... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,428,839It's amazing to listen to you and others (like Anne33 in particular) who have been doing this for about a month. At first y'all are so full of anxiety and freakin' out about everything. One y'all get started, y'all have a bazillion how-to questions. But after about a month of juice fasting and cleansing, your language changes! You start talking about "jazzing up juices with strawberries and Celery leaves," drool, drool, and my mouth starts watering, too! Yum! You start talking about reproduction and husbands massaging you, because subconsciously, you "feel like a woman" again. :-D Yes, you dump a bunch of physical and emotional garbage, and then you start pouring out LOVE to everyone, wanting to smother everybody with hugs and kisses.
I stopped "the program" for three weeks while my son was here on leave (with Uny's understanding), and I can't tell you the stark contrast between how I feel today and how I felt a month ago. Once you start feeling fantastic, you NEVER want to go back to your old habits. A lot of people my age feel run-down, sick, and tired, or they are already getting into some serious health trouble. They chalk it up to age and just live with it, but, man! I can't believe how bad I was feeling now that I have experienced the IP.
Honestly, I think "everybody" should do a 30 day juice fast with the bowel,liver, and kidney cleansing, with the coffee enemas, the high enemas, the herbal programs, the contrast showers, lots of Superfood, and the exercising in fresh air and sunshine plus running around/playing barefoot in the yard as a minimum.
Keep going, Tierra. You're going to inspire many to turn their lives around and get going on a natural healing path.
Luv U back,
Wings- P.S. Regarding massages...Re: lololo... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,429,108You don't HAVE to use Deep Tissue Oil as your massage oil. You could apply DTO yourself, maybe in the morning, to the best of your ability. Then maybe you could ask your husband to give you a massage with different plant oils at night. Dr. Christopher's IP includes a rotation of three different oils- wheat germ (which, unfortunately, we can't seem to get organically, but Mountain Rose Herbs carries what I use), olive, and castor.
I'm thinking maybe you could use some different oils. Coconut oil, of course, smells and tastes DIVINE if you like it (Uny doesn't, but I adore it). You could teach your husband to use the palms of his hands or his knuckles to KNEAD your body till it feels like bread dough instead of "pinching" you with his fingers.
It takes about an hour to do a full body massage. Dr. Schulze talks about Swedish massages on the SYL dvds. Actually he talks about firing a bunch of massage therapists until he found a few who did more than light aromatherapeutic candles and put hot stones on the clients. lol We aren't talking about "spa treatments." Schulze said his clients were screaming during massages. It sounds like his body work was more like Rolfing than just massage.
Here's a how-to video about Swedish massage. I don't know if Schulze would have fired this lady or not. lol It sounds like she at least knows "something" about what she is talking about, and I thought it might help you and your husband (and everyone) see what a massage actually "is." There are six parts to the video. You know how Youtube can only handle 10 minutes at a time.
I debated putting this up for the sake of the men on the forum, because there is quite a bit of skin exposure of a female body. But at the same time, I think it would be a great skill for anyone, including our men, to learn. This isn't supposed to be sexual at all. It's therapeutic, healing massage and reflexologies to increase circulation, move and release toxins from the body, as well as nourish the skin with "food" it can absorb into the body system.
Maybe watching these videos will encourage your husband to help support you in your healing process again.
Heal on, sugar!
Wings
- Pfrimmer Massage...Re: P.S. Regardi... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,429,159This a massage technique I am learning for myself. Here is a link about it from sweet Tom Harrelson's site:
http://healingtools.tripod.com/pdmt.html
Massage on! lol haven't used that one before!
Wings- Re: Pfrimmer Massage...Re: P.S. Reg... water01
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This is a reply to # 1,429,191Hi Wings,
I just found your post about learning the Pfrimmer Deep Muscle Technique. How exciting. I took a course in the 1970's.
I had been in a car accident and had serious and very extensive muscle and nerve damage. I was so blown away by the power of this therapy that I had to learn it and use it to help others. Back in the 70's times were very different and any form of "massage" was looked at very differently. People and healthcare providers often did not understand or believe the benefits of muscle therapy.
Word-of-Mouth and Seeing-is-Believing was the way most therapies such as this one were found. Very sad. Today, massage/bodywork therapies/techniques are a well received, respected and wide spread part of healing.
Many hard battles were fought (and continue to be fought), just as in all natural healing matters, Dr. Christopher, Dr. Schulze and all the great healers have fought countless battles to find ways to pass on their knowledge and experience. I am thankful for all they have done and am so grateful to Uny and Rocky for all they are doing here on CureZone to share these true healers with so many. Thank you Uny and Rocky! You are amazing people.
Wings, I don't know if this is the place to 'talk' Pfrimmer Massage, but I would love to hear from you about your experiences with this technique.
For anyone who is reading this. I do not know how this technique is being taught and used today, but the way I received this treatment and was taught to do Pfrimmer's technique in the 70's remains to be the most amazing healing technique I have found. What I do know is that any MASSAGE can/will be of benefit.
Massage on Wings (and everyone!)
Water- Re: Pfrimmer Massage...Re: P.S. Reg... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,542,241This is a very encouraging word, Water. Thank you for sharing.
I tried doing this technique on my own body, but I can't reach the parts of my body that need it the most. I tried to teach what little I understood about it to my husband so he could work on me, but that was a failed attempt, too.
In my search for a massage therapist who had been trained in Pfrimmer several months ago, I found one in Austin. A more recent search revealed that this therapist has recently trained possibly half a dozen other massage therapists in the technique.
I have quite a few "life hurdles" to overcome in order to do it, but I would very much like to work with/hire these ladies as bodyworkers.
Wings- Re: Pfrimmer Massage...Re: P.S. Reg... water01
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This is a reply to # 1,542,612Wings,
I hear what you are saying about the difficulty of working on yourself and being able to get a spouse to understand what needs to be done. When I did this therapy on someone who had to travel a long distance to get treatment I would always show a family member or friend what they could do once they got back home. I would have them work with me on the person. By the time they went back home, the family member had the confidence and ability to do some follow-up deep muscle bodywork to aid the healing. The reality is that often times it is a burden or simply impossible to travel 100's of miles twice a month to have therapy.
Dr. Schultz says that a sick person needs to have their muscles worked and to be touched regularly. I know this is true. I have lived it.
I hope that you can find a way to experience/learn this therapy as I believe it will be a great benefit and an important GIANT step to renewing your health. All that you are doing with nutrition and other therapies will only go so far if your muscles are not working and blood and lymph can not flow or feed these areas of the body. My muscles were so 'dried up' they felt like bone. Once these muscles were 'freed' I experienced a cleansing and healing. I had blood and lymph moving and feeding areas that had been blocked for years.
You may have already found and read these newsletters with Therese Pfrimmer, but I include links to PDF files. Hers is a story of a woman who did not believe what a doctor told her and even though she did not have education or training she struggled to find the answer to her health problems and then shared what she discovered, finding a way to help thousands herself and training others to use this technique.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/398167/Pfrimmer4.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/398167/Pfrimmer5.pdf
This is what Dr. Christopher and Dr. Schulze have done. They share and teach what they learned working in their clinics working with real people for decades.
Wings what I can tell you is that if you massage every inch of your body you can reach as often as you are able. You will get benefit from this. If you don't have the strength to go deeply into a muscle or can't get a good angle, it is better to do what you can than nothing. Soon you will notice that that muscle is changing and you are able to do more.
As for the technique... (when working on yourself it will most likely be easiest to use your thumb and forefinger)the basic idea is to work ACROSS a muscle from several different angles (using your right hand go across right to left and left to right with equal pressure, then using your left hand, go across the same muscle working right to left and left to right with equal pressure. Using this technique work the full length of the muscle -- NEVER work UP & DOWN on a muscle! It is good to first work a muscle not trying to go too deeply and then move on to the next muscle. Once you have covered the areas you want, go back to the first area you worked and you will find you can get deeper into the muscle and into the next muscle layer. Remember there are three layers of muscle and the deepest layer is the one that can cut off the circulation of blood and lymph flow.
The neck, shoulders,feet, stomach, legs and arms are great places to work if you can not do a full body.
If I can guide you in this technique please let me know. I hope you will find the way to the ladies in your area.. Yes, "LIFE HURDLES"... :o)
Wishing you renewed health,
Water - Re: Pfrimmer Massage...Re: P.S. Reg... water01
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This is a reply to # 1,542,612I have a question.
Why are your posts now listed as Hidden Username? Have you left CureZone? I have seen this in other posts, but do not know what it means.
If you are still out there, you can email me privately.
Water
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- DIY Massages and Dr. Christopher's O... tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,429,159>>>
You don't HAVE to use Deep Tissue Oil as your massage oil. You could apply DTO yourself, maybe in the morning, to the best of your ability. Then maybe you could ask your husband to give you a massage with different plant oils at night. Dr. Christopher's IP includes a rotation of three different oils- wheat germ (which, unfortunately, we can't seem to get organically, but Mountain Rose Herbs carries what I use), olive, and castor.
I'm thinking maybe you could use some different oils. Coconut oil, of course, smells and tastes DIVINE if you like it (Uny doesn't, but I adore it). You could teach your husband to use the palms of his hands or his knuckles to KNEAD your body till it feels like bread dough instead of "pinching" you with his fingers.
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I wish I can afford to use DTO as a massage oil... I just apply it to the tightest spots (quite a bit unfortunately!) after shower when my body is all warm up and ask my hubby to knead on those hard knots. Unfortunately, it’s quite a struggle to get him to do that. :( Meanwhile, I just have to do the DIY massage by rolling up against a bunch of balls such as tennis, squash or whatever I can get my hands on... It's not the same, but better than nothing. :(
Yes, I love coconut oil, on my skin as well as in my food. It’s one of my favorite oil! You posted a awesome mango, coconut oil and one more ingredient? smoothie recipe when I first started IP and fasting. At the time, I was thinking that I’d try that as soon as I get off fasting! Hm... I think I’m going to the store and grab some mango… :::Drooling.:::
I thought Dr. Christopher’s 3rd oil would be BC&F. I use wheat-germ oil and jojoba oil on my skin too (both from MRHerbs). Do you know where can I get Dr. Christopher’s original IP?
-thx a mil...luv, tie.
- Re: DIY Massages and Dr. Christopher... healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,429,985http://www.christopherpublications.com/Curing_Incurables.html
...but it's a little tiny booklet as opposed to Dr. Schulze 's 650 page Save Your Life Manual with dvds. I have a copy of both and let me tell you, if anybody really wants to do the IP, s/he NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS the SYL material or s/he won't be doing the full program.
Pineapple juice is the other ingredient. :-)
Wings- Fantastic! Thx a mil! Luv U! :D tierra 15 y 8,131
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- Corner Turning Moments? tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,429,108>>>
I stopped "the program" for three weeks while my son was here on leave (with Uny's understanding), and I can't tell you the stark contrast between how I feel today and how I felt a month ago. Once you start feeling fantastic, you NEVER want to go back to your old habits. A lot of people my age feel run-down, sick, and tired, or they are already getting into some serious health trouble. They chalk it up to age and just live with it, but, man! I can't believe how bad I was feeling now that I have experienced the IP.
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Wings, thx for your kind words and encouragement! I finally broke the juice fast. I decided to do a one meal diet for 5-7days and then get back on another round of juice fasting.
I definitely have come a long way. I know for sure that I’m on the right path and I think my improvements are very subtle and gradual. I don’t really recall distinctive corner turning moments. I read about you mentioning Day 4 and Day 30 are your toughest days and the big corner turning moments. Would you mind sharing the details? And what kind of improvements do you get from each round of IP? You’ve done 2 or 3 so far, right? I know that we both have muscular problems, even though the cause might be very different. It’s just nice to hear what other people with similar ailments are doing and what each round of IP does to them.
-Mny Thx, tie.- Re: Corner Turning Moments? healinginHiswings
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This is a reply to # 1,429,978Well, briefly, Day 4 is hard because you're fighting actual hunger. It's a battle with your appetite. I know now that I DO have control of my appetite, which means I have control over my flesh. That is EXTREMELY character building. Day 4 is tough, too, because the initial enthusiasm slips away, you get tired because you are shifting into MAJOR detox mode, and you know you have a long, long way to go before day 30 rolls around. You also don't know if it's going to work yet, and you're just flying by instruments, so to speak.
It helped me to mentally divide the IP month into weeks, and then say "I'm 1/4 through. I'm 1/2 through." Once you do the program for a couple of weeks, you kinda get in the swing of things and develop a bit of a routine and rhythm. You get used to it, you DO have a little more energy, and you can begin to make it fun and experiment with juice recipes and things.
Day 30 can either be AMAZING or it can be a real downer. What happens to make it a downer? If your expectation was that you would be totally healed, or close to it by then. I think THE worst thing Dr. Schulze ever did was to call the IP "the 30 day IP." It gives people the impression, especially if they don't have the SYL manual, that they are going to be cured of ANYTHING in 30 days. Don't get me wrong. I've heard of stories where cancer tumors started breaking up in 5 days on this program, and all kinds of other miracles. Our bodies are POWERHOUSES and if given the chance, they can do AMAZING things. But Uny and I both have met or worked with people who do the IP gung ho for 30 days, and if they don't see an incredible difference, they quit, and lose all opportunity for receiving their healing.
If I have ONE thing to tell people about the IP, it's that once they embark on this program, they can't go back to their old ways. It's their old ways that got them sick in the first place. This is literally, in every sense of the word, a life-changing program. If you're ready to make those changes, no matter what they are, then I really believe you'll get well. It might take a year of doing the IP. The longest time Dr. Schulze has recorded is a guy with ALS. It took this guy 2 solid years of sticking with it. That guy wanted to live, ya know? There are certain things I certainly don't want to do on the IP, but I have to ask myself over and over again, "how bad do you want to live?" These are so called in-curable diseases. That's fancy doctor talk for "you're going to die from this and we can't help you." lol GREAT for the immune system (not).
Anyway, so much for being brief. lol
Luv ya,
Wings- Any discernable physiological improv... tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,430,059Wings,
Thx Wings...Great info! Do you have any discernable physiological improvements, ones that you can tell your family member? For me, frankly, I look worse and function less now than prior to starting IP. I understand that IP and detox can be quite harsh. And, sometimes you do have to get worse before you can get better. So, it's really hard to convince family members and let alone getting support. It's very motivating to see the junk that came out of me. But, at the same time there're moments of weakness that I question myself whether I'm doing it right? And, can all these detox and extreme diet throw me off balance... I know that IP is the real deal, provided you do it right, that's the million dollar question....
-thx, tie- Re: Any discernable physiological im... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,431,320On behalf of 'wings (until she can 'get here') - yes, she's had some HUGE physiological improvements, and those have been clearly seen & recognized by the 'non support' person/s she's dealing with. ('wings - edit this out if you don't want "in print")...I think I can safely type that in her case, this is NOT an issue of whether or not the IP works or whether improvements are obvious :(
Tierra, this... >>> For me, frankly, I look worse and function less now than prior to starting IP. I understand that IP and detox can be quite harsh. And, sometimes you do have to get worse before you can get better.<<< ...should not be! (that you're feeling worse and functioning less after almost two months).
I think we have two issues here: 1) me, having not had the time to outline the true/full IP, you've not actually had an opportunity to see/do it all, and 2) there have been some things/areas that you've chosen to customize/alter/add/delete. :::grin::: I'm obviously not a 'fly on your wall' - things like cayenne 3x daily, full hot/cold showers (at least once daily)...these things are IMPERATIVE for circulation. IF#2 5x daily and ensuring 3 bms daily is also a critical foundational/basic. Methinks perhaps those have been left out (for various reasons - including a VERY rocky start, which was in no way your fault). Also, mega-dosing on nutritional yeast? NOT part of the IP.
I'm not being judgmental or critical, but for the sake of others reading, I want them to know there's really no reason to be feeling WORSE after 45 days of IPing. It's generally when we change the program that we don't get the results (and relief/benefits) we're looking for. Of course (like I mentioned), it's not your fault (or my fault) that the complete foundational files aren't available for everybody. (Grrrrr, I really needed those 2-3 weeks to create those files, and now that the forum is SO busy, I have even less time daily than I had before).
Onward & upward! You're doing good work, Tierra (for sure AND for certain!) --
Unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,431,420Just to say... my Dad is one of the most supportive people in my life, and probably the most wonderful man I've ever known. So Uny's not referring to him. :-)
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This is a reply to # 1,431,320...those were some of the most encouraging words I had ever heard. I've been off the IP for almost a month so I lost some of that. But you know what, I tasted it. I touched it. AND I WANT IT BAD NOW! lol
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