a call for chemistry - Silverfox? 
jfh
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Tom, could you please do a test with ascorbic acid and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ? I suspect that ascorbic acid does not really chemically cancel Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I suspect that it actually causes CLO2 to be produced too fast for it to last long in the body. It is a weak acid after all. You would be able to determine this with your excellent tests for PPM at various times.
Thanks. There have been so many questions regarding vit C and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement together. This might help to make a decision to keep them hours apart; as one would do with Vit C.
Did you know that chlorine dioxide causes Iodide to transform into iodine? That might be of concern for people who wish to take Lugol's Iodine as a health treatment. Lugol's formula has both Iodine and iodide. Each component have health benefits of their own. This might help to make a decision to keep them hours apart; as one would do with Vit C.- other antioxidants - Re: a call for ... jfh
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,163,465I think other antioxidants may have the same effect as vitamin C; but not as reactive. I wish you could test this as well. I think it has to do with the oxygen molecules.
This is why it is advisable to keep them separate from chlorine dioxide by several hours. - Re: a call for chemistry - Silverfox... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,163,465Hello Jfh,
I am right in the middle of "exploring" how anti oxidants react with a dose of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .
I am not sure if DMSO is considered an anti oxidant, but it seems to slow down the reaction, and the PPM of free ClO2 is slightly reduced.
When you add 50 mg of ascorbic acid to a 6 drop dose of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , the PPM of free ClO2 drops to 0. It takes around 2 hours for the concentration of ClO2 to come back up. If you then add another 50 mg of ascorbic acid, the PPM of free ClO2 will drop to 0 again, and once again you have to wait around 2 hours for it to come back up. I am in the middle of testing to see if the solution can handle a third addition of 50 mg of ascorbic acid.
I have also looked at a 12 drop dose. Its response was similar in that it would take around 2 hours to "recover." I stopped after four additions of ascorbic acid (8 hours). I am not sure how long liquids stay in your system before you eliminate them. I seem to recall 2 - 4 hours, but I don't know for sure.
I am also unsure how long ascorbic acid remains in your system.
When purifying drinking water, I often end up with a high residual. To improve the taste of the treated water, I will add around 100 mg ascorbic acid to a liter of treated water. This eliminates the odor and taste from the treatment chemicals. As far as I know, this eliminates the chemical activity because overnight there is no build up of odor or taste.
I think anti oxidants play a big part in the effectiveness of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . If you are on a high level anti oxidant program, you may not be able to continue it while taking MMS.
If the reaction of ClO2 and ascorbic acid is similar inside the body as it is in a glass of solution, an anti oxidant program that includes 5000 mg of ascorbic acid could neutralize around 200 drops of MMS.
If time permits, I plan to look at vitamin E and selenium too. Then I want to mix up a solution of a combination of anti oxidants to see if the synergy between them has a different effect on ClO2.
Tom- Re: a call for chemistry - Silverfox... jfh
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,163,604These are very good tests Tom. I'll be interested in your test with anti-oxidants.
I really think there should be a balance; unless we are purposefully treating for something. For example, create an imbalance leaning toward antioxidant with megadoses of vitamin C; or more oxidant environment with oxidative therapies. Each will have benefits. This is not something that should continue for a long time.
I think people do themselves harm by this "building up" process for Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . It should be done within about 3 weeks by building up a drop or 2 each day. Get it over with. I know that some diseases may take a long time to resolve; like Lyme. However, a daily maintenance dose should be the goal. The maintenance dose can then be offset by some antioxidant supplement 6 hours later. I feel the same way about megadose vitamin C for therapy. I don't think that should be done for extended periods either. 4 to 6 drops of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement once a day should be plenty for continued health therapy after working through the initial full dosage.
Ascorbic acid is powerful too. Here is a study about ascorbic acid treatment to reduce residual halogen-based oxidants.
http://www.rsc.org/ej/EM/1999/a904574k.pdf
So, the folks on extended Iodine therapy have problems with vitamin C as well. This is where the U.S. fed's RDA comes into play. There is no need to go over that; unless there is a need for a health treatment.
I'm surprised that you have found the PPM of CLO2 to drop to 0 with the introduction of vitamin C. At how many grams of C, I wonder. I think that C does not last long in the body. It is very unstable.- Re: a call for chemistry - Silverfox... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,163,696Hello Jfh,
My 6 drop dose has had the free ClO2 completely used up with the addition of around 200 mg ascorbic acid. I added 50 mg at a time and waited around 2 hours for the ClO2 concentration to build again. After the forth time, the ClO2 did not return.
I believe the minimum daily requirement for vitamin C was raised from 60 mg to 90 mg. I think there needs to be a balance too. I just don't know how all of this plays out inside the body. The brain and spinal cord maintain high concentrations of vitamin C. If high concentrations of ClO2 neutralize vitamin C, what is the best method of insuring that we have a high concentration of vitamin C where it is needed, and still have enough ClO2 to kill off the pathogens?
Tom
Edit to add:
I added 400 IU of vitamin E and it had no effect on the concentration of ClO2. I also added 200 mcg of selenium and it also had no effect on the concentration of ClO2.
It looks like vitamin C is anti oxidant to neutralize ClO2.- Re: a call for chemistry - Silverfox... jfh
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This is a reply to # 1,163,858Gosh Tom, 200mg is not very much when people generally like to take 1G+. I think the best thing to do is quickly finish the full complement of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Then, while on the daily maintenance dose, take vitC as long after the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement as we can wait. If we take Miracle-Mineral-Supplement before bed, as recommended by Humble, then vitamin C mid morning. By then, the MMS should be well into the bloodstream and lower digestive system. VitC is water soluble; so it does not matter if it is taken with lunch or with just water.
It's good to know that other important antioxidants may not affect MMS very much.
*edit*
I suppose is would be good to take a break, maybe once a week, to provide Antibiotics without the use of MMS. This would be good in the case of a therapy for a disease that is not aggressive.
- Re: a call for chemistry - Silverfox... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,163,995Hello Jfh,
I have been made aware of several "pulsing" protocols that some people are using with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . They range from 1 day of shock dosing followed by 2 weeks of hydration, flushing and anti oxidants, to alternating 1 day on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and 1 day on anti oxidants, to a maintenance system of 2 days on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement followed by 5 days of hydration, flushing and anti oxidants.
I haven't spent the time necessary to thing all of these through, so I don't know what the advantages, if there are any, are to any of them.
Tom
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- Now I'm confused (build-up period) alive76
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This is a reply to # 1,163,696jfh:
"I think people do themselves harm by this "building up" process for Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . It should be done within about 3 weeks by building up a drop or 2 each day."
alive76:
Now I'm really getting confused!
I'm in the middle of that building up period, taking 1000mg vit. C six times daily. I do this to counter the coming heart palpitations that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement seems to give (I have BAD palpitations already; pre-MMS).
So, you are saying I should not build up? And instead just take the vit. C some hours apart from Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ?
On a slight side note: Taking 6 grams of vit. C 12 hours apart from MMS will be usesless, I think. The body dumps all the excess vit. C if you take so much at once. (that's why I'm taking it 6x daily right now). Any thoughts on this?
Thanks.
- Re: Now I'm confused (build-up perio... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,164,854Hello Alive,
If I found that taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement was causing me heart issues... I would stop taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .
I believe you are correct. You will absorb more vitamin C if you take several small doses than you will from one large dose.
Tom- Re: Now I'm confused (build-up perio... alive76
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This is a reply to # 1,164,861SilverFox:
"If I found that taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement was causing me heart issues... I would stop taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ."
Alive76:
Well, there aren't many alternatives to Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . It's something I have to do if I want to get out of this hell hole that I've found myself in for 13 years now.
I'm going to have to live with increased palpitations while being on MMS. But I will do my best to keep it down by doing this vit. C stuff before I start on MMS.
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This is a reply to # 1,164,854Alive76, I agree with Silverfox in his answer to your message. If you have to take so much vitamin C, then it will do no good to take Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Vitamin C is not accumulative; nor is Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . According to the documents and according to Silverfox's experiments, vitamin C causes Miracle-Mineral-Supplement to void. It will be a waste.
What I mean by building up:
When you take MMS, it kills so many pathogens that you will have detoxification results; most times nausea, sometimes diarrhea. The liver has problems keeping up with it. So, the instructions say to start with one drop of MMS when you start. Then add another drop each time you take it. Each time you take MMS, it will clear out enough pathogens that you should be able to take more drops the next time. That's what I mean by building up. MMS does not accumulate; so build up is probably not the right phrase for me to use.
Most people start, then stay at a low dose for a long time; causing this build up phase to last a long time too. They probably do this because they have so many pathogens they just can't seem to proceed. My feeling is that we should forge ahead as quickly as possible, within the guidelines. Get it over with; and get to maintenance. However, theory does not always work for everyone. I could not hurry either. And still, I have to stay on maintenance for a long time; because of fungus. So, each person has to assess their own situation and react accordingly.
Now, if we have to do without vitamin C for the duration of the build up phase, it should be best to do as much as possible to get it done. One would have to count on vitamin C from diet; or take C about 4 hours away from MMS.
- Re: Now I'm confused (build-up perio... alive76
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This is a reply to # 1,164,875Oh, okay. I think I missunderstood you there when you said build up.
My mistake.
I'm in the middle of *a* build-up, so I instantly thought you *must* have been talking about the same kind. :)
About the vit. C:
Maybe a good way to do it would be to take Miracle-Mineral-Supplement every 2nd day and high dosages of minerals/vit C. every 2nd day. (one day apart, obviously)- Re: Now I'm confused (build-up perio... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,164,911Hello Alive,
I think that alternating days between anti oxidants and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a very good way to go.
Also, keep in mind that after an extended period of illness, it may take a little extra time to heal. Take it easy and don't get into a rush. You should still see incremental improvements.
Tom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,163,696Reply to your message jfh from tomato
Dr Kurt Donsbach is going to be one of those natural alternative folks with making Vitamin C more do able.
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poor absorption cannot be blamed on digestion only. Donsbach says humans are not designed to absorb nutrients with great efficiency. (excess could be bad).
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Donsbach heard @ 2 yrs ago about Liposome Technology.
Individual nutrients can be absorbed much much better.
Vitamin C was Dr. Kurt Donsbach first Liposome study.
Donsbach says Vitamin C normally absorbed with @ 20 percent efficiency.
Donsbach says Vitaminc C Safe in extremely large quantities.
Donsbach says Vitamin C often used in 25 or 50 grams intervenously a day in seriously
off patients. And oral use: Over 6 grams a day (1,200 mg absorbed)resulted in massive (D) which indication poor absorption.
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Donsbach found taking 15 grams of Vitamin C in a liposomal form without any loosening
of the stool whatsoever.
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the claim from the company that it would result in approx.
80+ percent absorption. Donsbach said he had no reason not to believe this company.
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Donsbach believes in could get the equivalent of a 12 gram intravenous infusion by taking 15 grams orally.
Donsbach thought this was greatly convenient AND less expensive.
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Donsbach next wants to combine Vitamin C with two other nutrients:
---(Glutathione and CQ10) to stop cancer cell growth at
certain concentrations -----------------
unable to be reached in oral preparations available.
I have not checked yet but here is Dr. Donsbach's site:
letstalkhealth.com for further information when this
products gets released to public.
(1-888-950-2190 Online Store Products)
(Website Radio Show Thursday, at lunchtime to 2:00)
3141 Main Street, Suite 104
Chula Vista, CA 91911
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This is a reply to # 1,165,246Thanks tomato. I follow Donsbach. He is a very good researcher.
When you have Candida or other fungus overgrowth, which I did before Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , the intestines are unable to process nutrients. The fungi would have taken over the intestinal walls.
I will be looking forward to Donsbach's new supplement.
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