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MoreI have been reading a lot of articles saying how America is the Mystery Babylon. If this is the case, where is a safe place to relocate to? The other question is when do we relocate there?- Re: where do we go #76749
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"I have been reading a lot of articles saying how America is the Mystery Babylon. If this is the case, where is a safe place to relocate to? The other question is when do we relocate there?"
You are being controlled by fear. All bible prophecies were fulfilled by the time they were written. It is a well known technique that was used by both OT and NT writers. The book of Revelations all applied to Rome and was fulfilled at the 90 AD time it was written.
God is love, god is not fear. Learn to love yourself and you will love life and will be richly rewarded.
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"All bible prophecies were fulfilled by the time they were written. It is a well known technique that was used by both OT and NT writers. The book of Revelations all applied to Rome and was fulfilled at the 90 AD time it was written. "
This is not true. Although we should not have the spirit of fear, biblical prophecy is given to help prepare ourselves spiritually and temporally for that which is to come. And many of the events described in the prophecies of the old and new testaments have not yet occurred.
For example, Christ has not yet returned. I would say that is a major prophecy that did not have fulfillment in the Roman times. And, there is to be a re-establishment of the Roman empire just prior to his return, and a restoration of his church and gospel.
Many, if not most of the prophecies given in the new testament pertained to later times, not to inspire fear, but rather confidence.- Re: Jesu's prophetic return was also... popoe
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This is a reply to # 1,078,710after his murder, the third day Mary returned to prepare the body the boulder had been moved and Jesus had disappeared
He met Mary on the path and she did not recognize his faceetc, but he soke with her and she recognized Him through the conversation.
I believe He showed Himself to another apostle
So he did return way before the books of the New Testament were written It was a demonstration not of a miracle - although it seems to be one in our eyes- I'm
guessing other not so published information was shared with some of His apostles so they could understand the way to experience a conscious death and teach it to the rest of us slower vibrating sisters and brothers- Edited #72043
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This is a reply to # 1,078,871He was resurrected in the flesh after his death on the cross ... and during his visits with the apostles he foretold his return in a later time. This is further witnessed by the John in the Book of Revelations, and by other apostles writing in the Acts.
The saviour said that he was to return again to the earth "In glory and power." This was not the way he appeared after his resurrection; at that time he appeared as his apostles had seen him in life - as a man. At his second coming, he will appear surrounded by angels, in glory and power.
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This is a reply to # 1,078,871Not true at all. Many saw Jesus after he was Resurrected! Not just one person...but a multitude! HE said he would return to US teh way the saw him go up into the clouds and in Revelation and elsewhere we see HE returns with the CLOUDS! I dont knwo if Clouds are clouds or something that looks liek a cloud - time will tell. But HE is physically coming again. the question is will you accept HIs gift of death on teh cross as payment for your sin by faith and choose eternity with HIM the ONE TRUE GOD of the Universe?
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- Was Jesus a liar? #76749
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Jesus said that the kingdom of God had arrived - same message as John the Baptist. He said it over and over and even sent out his disciples to teach the same thing.
Mark 1:14-15: Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
More evidence that the kingdom of God had arrived and that people with Jesus would see it:
Matthew 16:28: Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mark 9:1: And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
Luke 9:27: But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
Regarding "the return" of Jesus - who said he ever left?
Fear creates hate. All who proclaim some futuristic heaven and hell are instigating fear, and hate. The kingdom of God is now! And always has been since the original message of Jesus.
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This is a reply to # 1,078,927This world is not controlled by the saviour, nor is it his kingdom. It is right now in the power of his adversary, as witnessed by the death and destruction that goes on every day throughout the world.
In the Kingdom of God there is neither death, fear nor destruction.- So you ARE calling Jesus a liar. Wh... #76749 16 y 3,827
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"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
The kingdom of God is at hand ... it was then, and it is now. But it is not upon the earth yet, neither then nor now. The kingdom came into full existence in heaven after Christ's atonement, which enabled others who had died before that to return to God's presence - this constitutes his kingdom. When he returns and cleanses the earth, then his kingdom will also be upon the earth.
"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
There were certain individuals who did not die, but rather they were taken up directly into heaven. This process is called "translation", and is what is meant by those who would "not taste of death" until he comes in his kingdom. In addition, there were certain other individuals who were allowed to remain alive upon the earth, to do good works and represent Christ, until his return in glory; John the Revelator is in this category, and he remains even today.
"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
Does this mean that some who would not taste of death would see the kingdom of God in heaven, or see the kingdom brought upon the earth when Christ returned in glory? I think both ... Christ's kingdom in heaven came into fulfillment upon the completion of the Atonement, so those who were taken up into heaven without dying would fulfill this prophecy. Also, those same individuals, as well as any who had been allowed to tarry upon the earth until his return in glory, will also witness the creation of his kingdom upon the earth without tasting death.
Jesus is not a liar.
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What a bunch of lies.
"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
"The kingdom of God is at hand ... it was then, and it is now. But it is not upon the earth yet, neither then nor now. The kingdom came into full existence in heaven after Christ's atonement, which enabled others who had died before that to return to God's presence - this constitutes his kingdom. When he returns and cleanses the earth, then his kingdom will also be upon the earth."
Jesus says "The time is fulfilled." That means now! There is no other way that can be interpreted. The kingdom of God is at hand means now! Not some future time. The kingdom of God is "upon the earth" right now. All you have to do is to follow the instructions of Jesus and look for it.
"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
There were certain individuals who did not die, but rather they were taken up directly into heaven. This process is called "translation", and is what is meant by those who would "not taste of death" until he comes in his kingdom. In addition, there were certain other individuals who were allowed to remain alive upon the earth, to do good works and represent Christ, until his return in glory; John the Revelator is in this category, and he remains even today.What a bunch of baloney. I've heard that lie for 70 years. There is no bible passage anywhere that even hints that people were taken to heaven. Your process of "translation" is a human invention just like the "rapture" is a human invention and has no basis other than in the delusional minds of hypocritical theologians who have to turn the scriptures upside down and inside out to come up with some new religion. There were people in Jesus' day who experienced the kingdom of God - in their body, on the planet.
""But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
Does this mean that some who would not taste of death would see the kingdom of God in heaven, or see the kingdom brought upon the earth when Christ returned in glory? I think both ... Christ's kingdom in heaven came into fulfillment upon the completion of the Atonement, so those who were taken up into heaven without dying would fulfill this prophecy. Also, those same individuals, as well as any who had been allowed to tarry upon the earth until his return in glory, will also witness the creation of his kingdom upon the earth without tasting death."Just more irrational interpretation of Jesus' message.
"Jesus is not a liar."
I agree 100%! The kingdom of God was on the planet at the time of John's message, and it was on the planet at the time of Jesus' message. First you must recognize that it is a spiritual kingdom, one that you as spirit can discover - but you have to look where Jesus said to look and he told us very clearly where it was at. He also told us over and over again to search and you will find. That applies to anyone on the planet today.
When you discover yourself as spirit, that eternal spark of light that Jesus also taught that is within each of us, then you can begin your spiritual journey to the kingdom of God.
John 4:24: God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
There are literally millions of people today looking for some kind of spooky return of a guy in a body floating to earth and they will somehow fly into the sky to greet him. That's as crackpot an idea as one can get and it's a wonder that all of them have somehow escaped the loony farm. It's why they hate science because it is scientifically impossible.
What's going on as spirit is that Jesus never left.
Matthew 18:20: For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them."
Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
The Christ/Christos is returning through those who believe and follow what he taught.
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- No. John saw it, before he died. beej
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This is a reply to # 1,078,927Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [we still have a sea, so it hasn't happend yet!]
:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem... [If you're not willing to be a Jew, there is no place for you in heaven or the new earth. It's name is Jerusalem, not Rome.] " come out of her my people"- R Do you know the yogic term beeja? popoe 16 y 3,721
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The question is not really "where do we go", but rather "with whom do we go." In other words, if we lived in the time of Christ, where would we go for safety? Well, not to a geographic place, but rather to those whom he had commissioned to protect and nourish his followers ... the apostles.
Search out the truth, ask God for direction, find those today whom he has commissioned.
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