My symptom: can't feel emotions 
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Hi,
I am 27, male and have been diagonosed with hyopthyroidism and have been taking synthetic thyroxine for 3 years. I have good reason to believe I also have adrenal fatigue (see below).
Over the past 6 months I have felt really bad and my doctor couldn't find anything wrong with me. My main symptom is that I can't feel any emotions. I can do things I supposedly enjoy but feel nothing. I feel like I can't put a smile on my face. When I tell people about this they say "but now you're smiling". But inside I feel really bad. I try putting a fake smile sometimes and I see that in the mirror it looks very good. I see people mentioning a symptom called "low energies", perhaps this is it. Parents & friends either tell me that I look completely healthy or that I should go to a psychologist but I know that I have no such issues.
I read Dr. Wilson's book on adrenal fatigue, scored for moderate adrenal fatigue, done the iris dilation & blood tests and both showed that I have adrenal fatigue. I also have many of the symptoms mentioned in the book, such as a feeling of fainting when standing up from a lying position.
I started the vitamin\lifestyle\diet changes he offered 3 months ago. For most of the time, my symptoms have not changed and I feel just as bad. However it did improve my runny nose and it's now much better. Also, roughly once in two weeks I have one VERY GOOD day in which I feel VERY GOOD as I haven't felt in many years. Then the day after I am bad again. I try to log what I did and reproduce the effect but cannot.
Before the treatment I had very strong hypoglycemic attacks on which my friends used to say that I sometimes "turn off" until I get food to eat, and it was well-known that when I say that we need to go to eat we would go. And until I ate I could barely function. Now with the treatment I eat low-glycemic-index foods and in-between meals I snack on carobs all the time, that really helps with the hypoglycemic symptoms and can delay my sudden "fall" so I can delay meals if I need (not for too long!). However that has not helped the other symptoms.
My questions:
1. Most important: does anyone else have my symptom of not feeling emotions?
2. Any ideas on how to cure it?
3. Does it seem like it is adrenal-related or thyroid-related?
4. Any other suggestions?
Thank you.
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This is a reply to # 1,064,773I'll try to answer your questions as best I can... but this is all just from my personal experience. Everybody is really really different when it comes to problems like this.
My number one bit of advice is to find a Doc (or naturopath.... but make sure they can prescribe meds!) who is familiar with adrenal exhaustion and is willing to work with you. I know that is easier said than done.... but I've found that VERY few people get well without having a good doc to work with.
1. Yes, I definitely feel the lack of emotions symptom. The worse my adrenals are... the worse the lack of emotions. When I take Cortef (cortisone) in the right amount and the right time (and it seems to change constantly), I'll suddenly "get my emotions back". Cortef is something you might have to consider. Dr. Wilson's book is great and his suggestions are excellent.... but if you've implemented them and still feel lousy, you might need something stronger. (also consider trying Isocort first..... you can get that without a prescription). You might just also need more time working with Dr. Wilson's suggestions. But from your post, it DEFINITELY sounds like you have adrenal fatigue.
2. How to cure it.... get more "help" for your adrenals. That is why I say you might need to consider Cortef. It sounds like you are doing very good/smart things as far your diet and keeping your blood Sugar more stable... that is a good start. But you might need more help than that.
3. The adrenals and thyroid are so "intertwined" in a way... that it's almost impossible to tell what is producting what. But either thyroid or adrenals can produce this sense of "lack of emotions" or what is sometimes called "low or zero affect". Usually BOTH the adrenals and thyroid have to be treated together for a person to get better. You might want to consider trying to get switched from Thyroxine (which is T4 thyroid hormone) to a natural form such as Armour which contains all the various thyroid hormone fractions.... most importantly T3, which is what your body actually uses for energy. BUT..... if you do that.... make sure your adrenals are WELL "supported" by something like Cortef.... or you will make your adrenals worse (the T3 will "borrow" energy from your adrenals, stimulating them more... and draining them). Also, it is very possible that the Thyroxine isn't really helping you at all. Rarely is T4 what a person with hypothyroid needs (their bodies can't convert it to T3 readily) AND... if your adrenals are low, the thyroid hormone can NOT get into the cells ANYWAY. Your adrenals (cortisol levels) have to be at a certain "level" to allow the thyroid hormone to do its job. That's why I say they are so intertwined.
Nothing I've ever seen explains it better than the Stop The Madness thyroid site. They have actually "figured it all out" in my opinion. Read the WHOLE site.... all the thyroid info AND all the adrenal info and how they are so linked.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
4. 6 months is not a long time to have been dealing with this.... and 3 months is a very short period of time to be treating it. I've been dealing with it for 15 years. That's not to "scare" you..... just to say that you are "lucky" you've discovered what some of your issues are so soon.
I also have some REALLY GOOD DAYS out of nowhere and then try to "trace my steps" and figure out what I did. It's USELESS to do that. I've never been able to discover any pattern. There are just too many "X-factors".
So my best advice is to FIND A GOOD ENDOCRINOLOGIST who believes in this stuff and will LISTEN. Without someone like that working with you, you will always be shooting in the dark and a lot of the things that you may or may not do to help yourself may actually be making things WORSE without you realizing it.
I hope this helped in some way.
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I have adrenal fatigue also(diagnosed and treated using cortef in varying amounts). I was just curious how this has effected(with and without treatment)your weight? At first I lost weight, now I've gained an inappropriate amount for what I eat. I do mostly lo-carb. I seem to have swelling around my lower legs. I wonder if this is thyroid(I take 150mg Armour, and up to 20 of cytomel a day), or if this is b/c adrenals. Any thoughts since you seem to have quite a history of experience with this. Also sometimes when I take my cortef I become quite nauseated, what could that mean? ThanksAdvertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,065,321I don't know if this is directed at me.... but I'll give some ideas.
I really don't have a very long experience of taking Cortef.... but I've done a lot of research about it and adrenal issues in general over the years.
My weight will go up and down. If it drops fast, it means my adrenals are doing really poorly and I need to up the Cortef a bit. It will then go back up. But a person's weight shouldn't go above what they would consider "normal". If you all of a sudden start getting a lot of abdominal weight, it means your Cortef is too high... and you should back off a bit. (be CAREFUL though.... back off slowly). But if the weight is all over... I'm not sure what could be causing that.
Either thyroid or adrenal issues can cause the swelling in the legs (or anywhere). It's probably just edema... your body attempting to hold onto water so it can balance your electrolytes. (sodium/potassium balance, etc.) Dealing with any kind of hormone situation has the possibility of causing this. Cortef will often IMBALANCE the electrolytes because it supplies the "most important" hormone (cortisol) that the adrenals produce, but not ALL of the hormones they do. Which is why people with severe adrenal issues are often also prescribed Flourinef. It helps balance the sodium in the body (kidneys) and takes care of the problem. You can get the same effect yourself (if your problem isn't too severe) by drinking plenty of water (you do NOT want to RESTRICT water when you have edema like most people think) and taking Sea Salt . If that doesn't help, see a Doc. In fact, you should see a Doc anyway to make sure the Cortef is being managed correctly or it can cause big problems.
The upset stomach with Cortef is REALLY common..... which is why they say you should take it with food. But most people find that they quickly get over the upset stomach and can take it on an empty stomach without a problem, when it kind of "burned" in their stomach when they first started taking it. How long have you been on it?
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Thanks for your thoughts(yes it was directed to you:)). My doctor(an M.D. who prefers natural methods) gave me 20 mg a day this past June, but it scares the patooty out of me. I only take about 2.5 mg a day. Even that small of an amount makes a difference in how I feel. I am a type 1 diabetic also and have been on insulin for 20 yrs. I really feel like this disease taxes one's adrenals with all the highs and lows. I don't feel like mine is autoimmune(could be wrong), but more just the stress of the diabetes and hypothyroidism. I hadn't "felt" a low blood Sugar in over 10 yrs. Most people feels shakey and sweaty and hungry. I would just get very lethargic and numb. The FIRST dose of cortef I actually FELT typical low blood Sugar symptoms. It was truly amazing. I do need to get back with my doc. I mentioned the swelling to him and he didn't seem too concerned. It drives me a little crazy though. I noticed it actually seems less when I take more cortef. I figured that to be a good thing. Thanks again for your perspective it is very helpful.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,065,673I always hesitate to give people "advice" because I'm not a doctor and I know, from personal experience, just how serious adrenal fatigue/exhaustion can be. It has basically RUINED (and that is not too strong a word) my life and the lives of other people I know.
So..... MAKE SURE YOU TALK TO YOUR DOC AND DON'T PUT ANYTHING I SAY INTO PRACTICE BY YOURSELF.
But, having said that, at the same time, I've found that some of the best advice I've ever gotten has been from "regular" people.
So... I understand the fear of Cortef. It's nothing to screw around with. But the point of being on it is to give your adrenals enough "support" that they can actually rest and heal. 2.5 mgs. a day is not enough to do that. What your doc did by prescribing 20 mgs. is the "normal" (for docs who know what they are doing of course.... most docs don't even BELIEVE in adrenal fatigue) and 20 mgs. is usually completely safe. Your adrenals WILL "downregulate" and come to rely on the 20 mgs. But that is the very reason you are taking it.... to take some of the stress off your adrenals. And it's safe as long as you make sure you TAPER SLOWLY off of it when you and your doc decide to come off.
BUT..... the diabetes does change your situation..... and I can't claim to know in what ways. I do know though that (just like the electrolyte issue) cortisol helps to REGULATE blood Sugar and has a LOT to do with your body's ability to use proteins, carbs and sugars in the right way. So I would THINK that if you have adrenal fatigue and are not producing enough cortisol, it would make things that much harder for you diabetes-wise. (And I also think you are right that it goes the other way.... diabetes can be really hard on the adrenals). So my guess is that a lot of your issues (blood Sugar and edema for sure) would be helped by Cortef. I suspect you are on TOO SMALL a dose.
But like I said, this is really one you need to talk over with your doc so he can help you manage blood sugar/insulin doses if you increase your Cortef.... because I bet it will have an effect on them. Although you are probably pretty good at managing them yourself after dealing with it for 20 years!
Anyway, I'm really sorry for what you are going through and I hope you feel a lot better soon.
Talk to your doc as soon as possible. And if there is anything else I can do to help, let me know.Advertisement
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Hello everybody,
I wish to thank you all for replying me I'll consider everything you said.
I'll address specific issues mentioned:
- I can't take cortef or thyroid medicines that are not thyroxine right now as these are a prescription medicine here in Israel and there are no doctors here that are familiar with adrenal fatigue here so nobody can prescribe me that and no doctors can help me otherwise either. I am on my own. Endocrinologists prescribe only Eltroxin (synthetic thyroxine). Besides anyhow I prefer not to take medicines at this stage.
- Don't know if this was addressed to me but I have no weight issues. Although I'm hypothyroid I'm very thin.
- Regarding taking iodine: Dr. Wilson advises in his book to take kelp when there is a potassium-sodium imbalance. I don't know when I have such an imbalance but I did took help and it gave immediate relief to symptoms. Unfortunately it's like I've gotten used to it, now kelp does not affect me anymore!
Same goes for sea-salt - at first it helped but now I stopped taking it because it stopped doing anything. Iodine is included in kelp so I guess it wouldn't help me.
What will I try now?
I am reading a book called "Feeling Fat, Fuzzy or Frazzled", that is supposed to solve all metabolic gland imbalances.
I've just started the basic treatment for hypothyroidism: Selenium 200, Magnesium 400, Chromium 400. And now I drop the chromium because it makes my heart beat too strong. There's also a treatment for adrenal fatigue but there are too many recommendations there, I think the most recommended is licorice. (By the way I don't think this is a good book as it focuses too much on the pills and little on diet/lifestyle).
I read the forum from the beginning so I think I'll now try again the cleasing methods. I tried Psyllium for 2 weeks which make my constipation worse so I stopped and next I will try kefir. If there are any other foods you recommend I'd like to hear that. I tried licorice (full spectrum) and it made me feel disoriented, like I'm not balanced, can't think straight etc.
By the way I think that overdosing medicine like Dr. Wilson advises is a bad thing to do because by starting simultaneously with 10 kinds of pills as I did it makes it very difficult to eliminate the bad ones. One should start slow and after overdosing myself I took everything off and left only B complex, C and B5 and the rest I add gradually every 2 weeks to notice the effect on me.
That's how I found out the effect each pill had on me.
I am still looking for the "quick fix".
Everybody says that it takes 2 years to heal adrenal fatigue, problem is most people who say it are in the middle of the process and not at the end so I can't tell if that is correct. :)
I believe my adrenals are somehow burdened but not damaged and since sometimes I do feel good I am still looking for the "quick fix" that will suddenly make me good all the time. I mentioned above what I will try next in hope it'll do the job, else I'll try other types of cleansing until it's fixed. I don't think taking the prescribed program in the book and forgetting about the treatment will make it pass faster, I believe in an active treatment with constant modifications according to how I feel with every different supplement/food.
I also intend to do the ELISA food allergy test but am not so hopeful about it because right now I am on a strict diet and all I eat is chicken, tuna, legumes, brown rice and some vegetables and it hasn't helped anything for 2 weeks now.
Thanks again for your comments
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This is a reply to # 1,066,026Atypical, sorry i became distracted earlier and lost focus on what you had originally posted that caught my attention. I suffered with the lack of emotional response very severly about 1 1/2 to 2 yrs ago. I didn't "feel" anything. No happy, sad, stressed, nothing! My mother in law passed away during that time and it was awful to not be able to actually mourn. If I had to suddenly correct for something in the road (like an animal darting), I would correct but didn't have heart flutter or sweating, like a normal response. I didn't have tears or sweat, very strange. I now have emotional responses. I really don't know the true reason for the return of this. I did start cleansing. I had my Amalgam fillings removed and shortly thereafter started sweating and my body temp rose significantly. From say 97.2 to some days it hangs around 98.6. I started taking vitd3 too. I regulary taking clay baths. I still struggle with candidiasis though. I have allergic response to almost everything I eat(thich slimey mucous and wheezing). My weight had mostly stayed very low, but recently started climbing, but I haven't been eating more. So I am a bit puzzled by that, but maybe it's good.
I think you're correct about your adding one thing at a time to see how you react. I will occasionally stop everything supplemental and start from scratch to see if it's helping or hurting. That's a response to chromium I've never heard. My heart beats harder when I take magnesium though, but I feel it's a good response. Anyway, good luck to you, hope you get better without meds.Advertisement
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Hi bodgy thanks for your reply.
I have the same issue with not feeling anything, be it sadness or happiness.
I do have sweat when I work out, tears not but that requires something very emotional to happen which usually doesn't.
I checked and I have no amalgam.
What cleansing program did you use and with what supplements/diet?
Why did you take vitamin D3 and in what dose? and why specifically D3?
I would try whatever could help me but still don't want to do it if it's for different problems you had. :) Vitamin D is supposed to be created by exposure to the sun and my state started to deteriorate during the summer (around August) so I'm a little skeptic.
And last question, have you had any hypoglycemia?
thanks
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This is a reply to # 1,064,773Wow. I've never really "felt" or "shown" emotions... People tell me things and I don't react..I'm kind of..duh. like. It's one of the reasons I'm not "likable" in person. Although in certain circumstances I've learned to fake it and I like knowing it's an act that I can turn on and off. Now it kind of bugs me to read this thread and know it's a "Symptom" and Not "normal" and that if I fix the adrenal issue it'll change.
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Hey,
It's very good you found out about this now!
I've had this in mild form for years but only recently it because much worse and I found about adrenal fatigue and attributed it to it.
Many people live unhappily, unaware that what is causing this is physiological problems rather than psychological as everybody (including doctors) are saying to them.
I can tell you that since starting the vit/mineral/lifestyle/diet regime I've had a few moments of true happiness and felt really good, so I recommend that you take matters into your hands.
And of course, buy Dr. Wilson's book if you haven't already.
good luck;)
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