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Hi,
I am new to this list. I have been ill for since around April when I first started to experience symptoms of what is known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I have also tested positive for a chronic mycoplasma pneumonia infection. I believe the mercury and the fluoride in my mouth has probably weakened my immune system. I had my Amalgam fillings replaced about a year and a half ago. I have since had them replaced several times because all the replacements were making me sick. The hybrids gave me arthritis, the glass ionomers made me nauseous. Now, I have gold but the cement might very well also be causing me problems.
When, I had the glass ionomers in I gained about 25 pounds in about 9 months. When I got sick, I lost about 25 pounds in two months. I imagine a lot of what was stored in my fat got redeposited in a number of places throughout my body.
Anyway, I am just wondering about doing chelation while having a mycoplasma infection. Should I take care of the mycoplasma infection first (6 months to two years of Antibiotics ) or will starting a chelation program help my body deal with the mycoplasma? It`s a tough call.
At any rate, starting the abx has helped a lot. I no longer have night sweats or painful lymph nodes. But I still feel a lot of fatigue, I need to take sleep medicine for insomnia, and I feel a bit of anxiety at times.
Before getting ill, I was pretty healthy - both mentally and physically. Now, I have a hard time making decisions. Things that were minor before have become a great chore. And there have been times when I felt like I was losing it.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
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This is a reply to # 105,099Hi Paul,
I just replied to your email.
People with lyme are facing the same thing. According to Andy Antibiotics do NOT interfere with mercury excretion during chelation. I personally don't see how it WOULDN'T interfere as Antibiotics affect the ph in the gut which may have a knock on effect on mercury excretion. Also it might be quite a rough ride dealing with mycoplasm and chelation at the same time!
You could do a trial of both *separately* and see which makes you feel better. Given that the infection isn't acute, you could probably try the chelation first but it's obviously a very individual decision.
I found this quote in the autism/mercury group (in relation to lyme)....
"You should also research online about the possiblity of Antibiotics
causing permiability of the blood brain barrier to things that it
should keep out such as merc + other metals. Given that chelation
will stir up some metals taking ABX at the same time could increase
deposits of metals in the brain."
Make sure you take plenty of probiotics if you take antibiotics.
Ask in the Amalgam replacement forum about the materials in the replacement fillings you have which are causing problems as I don't have any experience of that.
Yes feeling like you're losing it and having probs making decisions are classic mercury toxicity symptoms.
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This is a reply to # 105,100Hey Anne,
You know, if there are substances that make the BBB more permeable, then that would open up a whole new avenue in chelation. Lowering blood mercury is relatively easy...getting out of the CNS, endocrine system and organs is much harder, and can take several years in some cases.
Just a thought. Wonder if anyone has followed up on this idea, or if Andy has any thoughts on it.- Re: Would like to start chelation bu... boronia
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Hi Wintergreen :)
I wouldn't have thought making the BBB more permeable is a good idea but don't understand enough about this to comment. It seems it would let more toxins in than allow them out. Also presumably most people with mercury toxicity have quite 'leaky' brains anyway....I know I'm quite leaky lol!
Here is a recent post in the Autism/Mercury group which contains several of Andy's posts, including one with comments on the BBB, mercury etc. You need to scroll down to message 1594. It includes the following quote
"The brain is protected by the blood-brain barrier which absolutely
stops certain toxins from passing at all, ever, no matter what. If the BBB
gets leaky and you are really really sick, it is letting maybe 0.1% of the
nasties pass - way too low to let all the mercury out."
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/147230
Hope you're doing ok! :)
Anne
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This is a reply to # 105,111Hi Anne,
I don't know if I understand Andy's statement, basically because I don't have his knowledge of human physiology. If the BBB was weak, and you have a higher concentration of mercury in the CNS, it should allow it to seep out. I understand there might be other problems, such as other things you don't want to let in besides the mercury, but that is at least how I understand it.
If anyone uses ALA, it is with the understanding that there is already more mercury in the brain/CNS than in the bloodstream. Otherwise ALA would work in reverse, by carrying more mercury into the brain than it pulls out.
I'm doing very well. Effects from chelation are positive and definitely there, but a little subtle. I think for most people doing this, it is a long haul, and so you have to realize that every round won't bring a new revelation. But, among other benefits, I find myself more comfortable in talking to people I've just met. It's pretty neat. :-)
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Hi, yes I know what you're saying. I don't have enough of an understanding of it either, it's just my instinct to think that increased permeability is not a good thing. Plus I think it would probably be difficult to control.
I know heat increases permeability....that's probably partly why saunas help, though of course you need to sweat too!
Glad to hear you're noticing some improvements esp with regard to social confidence :-) Yes I think you're right, though for some there will be dramatic improvements after rounds, for most it's probably a slow change.
I've just finished another round...had some -ves like thinking probs and also dizziness....just minor and momentary but there all the same. There seemed to be some +ve effects but so subtle sometimes I could hardly notice! I ran out of probiotics recently and feel I really need them as my digestion is worse. I used a low dose of ALA (12.5mg) but decided to risk taking just DMSA for my last 2 doses yesterday evening. I actually woke up feeling better than I had the previous few mornings. Could be just coincidence or the fact that I didn't have to be woken up at 3am for my nighttime dose! :)
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This is a reply to # 105,119I don't know if anyone like this would resonate with you, but when I used to call someone and got an answering machine, I would be tripping over words to leave a message. The AM would be unexpected, and having to quickly summarize the reason for my call would leave me sounding like this incredibly insecure individual.
Now, something like that is nothing.
It's watching stuff like this that is interesting. I also noticed a slight improvement after my 8 Amalgams were removed, and then after I started on DMSA.- Re: Would like to start chelation bu... boronia
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This is a reply to # 105,131Yes I can relate to that! Sometimes I'm fine with it, sometimes not in which case I just hang up! I haven't noticed anything *really* significant with me yet though, just very subtle things but it's still v early days for me.
You may not have sounded as bad as you think though. I know I can often feel anxious or insecure inside yet I know I come across as calm and stable to others (as they tell me).
It must feel really amazing and be such a boost to see those changes happening in yourself! :-)
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Paul, I would like to speak to the mycoplasma. A good olive leaf extract should be very beneficial for that. I would steer very clear of mainstream treatment of long term Antibiotics which will only worsen your condition especially leaky gut/dysbiosis.
Also you can consider the Beck protocol.
An immune enhancing diet is essential and one that is teaming with nutrition. In my opinion and many other healers, a living foods/raw diet is superior for regaining health. I would include copious amounts of wheatgrass and the juices of other green plants such as kale and collards (mineralizing and alkalinizing). Also incoporporate lots of sea vegetables, hemp protein, etc.
You could also have lots of cultured vegetables. The key is to alkalinize the system without causing more of a load on the immune system. Raw living foods accomplish this very well.
To help with your heavy metal load, look into far infrared suana. This is THE main method used to detox heavy metals by most serious detoxification doctors.
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This is a reply to # 105,102Lapis,
In principle, I agree with what you are saying. But do you know anyone who has been able to eliminate a mycoplasma infection without the use of abx? I.e. do you have any experiential knowledge to back up what you are saying?
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This is a reply to # 105,105What is ABX? Itr has been suggested to me, and dowsed that I have Mycoplasma Fermentans infection.
thanks,
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I think you can do both, cautiously.
In my situation, I spend a lot of time fighting yeast and parasites, but they kept coming back no matter what I used: herbs, zapper ( a waste of money in my opinion, I think it screwed me up worse from the copper in the handles ), pro-biotics, etc.
Mercury and heavy metals really screw up your immune system. I've found that at least in my case, I keep feeling better with chelation and my body starts "dumping" stuff on its own and I'm not having to take a ton of stuff just to keep the yeast and parasites down.
That being said, I still take lots of supplements to feel well and support the immune system.
So you can probably try both. But take lots of probiotics if you go on anti-biotics.
Also, like Lapis suggested, you may want to try natural remedies first and a raw, alkaline diet before going down the anit-biotic route.
In my case, my Urine PH is very acidic, and I've switched to a mostly raw diet with lots of veggies, nuts, some fruit, and some sprouted grains. Flax seed and oil is also helping me, as are Almonds in moderation for all the fiber. I still eat cooked eggs and meat occasionally, probably 1 portion every 2 days or so. My urine and my system is slowing becoming more alkaline but it takes time. But I've noticed I feel a lot better now.
Good luck,
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This is a reply to # 105,099Hi Paul
I have had Me/CFS for seven years now, and I was put on doxycycline for a year according to Dr Garth Nicholsons protocol. I couldn't do more than 4 months. After that, my ligaments and perhaps bones seemed to get even weaker and I got chronic constipation which was really bad. I felt a little better during the protocol in the beginning, I could walk all of a sudden, couldn't do that at all before, but the sideeffects can be after a long time of using it, really bad. For me pure oregano oil has been beneficial but everyone is different. All the herbal Antibiotics tend to be much better then the synthetic drugs. I never felt any better with migraines and such on the protocol, only my body was getting somewhat stronger.- Re: Would like to start chelation bu... prd34
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This is a reply to # 105,113All Zooi, thanks for the feedback. How did you feel going off the doxy? I guess it is a matter of finding the right herbal that's going to work. Someone recommended that I take L-lenonite (or something like that) from olive leaf extract every 2 hours while awake for three months. Now I am on a Chinese herbal prep and eryrthromycin prescribed by my Japanese Alternative doc who used a bioresonance machine to screen me. Also, taking a product called VesPro (GABA, Grandular, etc.) helps with the mental symptoms. prd
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Hi prd34!
I have tried GABA recommended by Paul Cheney and some other doctors, but didn't find it working so well for me, but again everyone is different. When you consult with your alternative doctors, try to find the products on the internet afterwards to see what they contain and how they are working in the body. When it comes to Marshall protocol I remember the girl who was "webmaster" on a marshall forum wasn't allowed to be there when she expressed an concern for something, so certainly Marshall and co is salesmen like a lot of other people. The thing with herbs and the like is that they don't really give any longterm side effects as drugs do. Perhaps try a few differnt ones like olive leaf extract that Lapis is recommending is really good for a lot of things. They tend to be good against different kinds of infections. I also tried rifeing against mycoplasma and felt better, but it's really expensive though. If you have ended up with a chronic illness chances are that you have several different infections and toxins in your body.
When it comes to mycoplasma fermetans it's dangerous because it's actually changed in a lab to make it a lot more deadly. The scientist were given lots of money to make it, and it was used in the gulf war. You can look it up on various sites and the also books. The goal with this mycoplasma was to overcome the human immunesystem with only one pathogen, so that noone would be able to recover from it. I'll give some sites soon.
For me I have also chronic mercury poisoning and a parasite issue and ohter infections, plus injured back badly at work and have dealt with terrible events in my life, so it's a wonder I didn't get sick earlier perhaps.- Re: Would like to start chelation bu... zooii
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This is a reply to # 105,127Like mentioned earlier, the soldiers in the gulf war was infected by it and many family members eventually got sick from it also, and it spread from then on.
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=20000830164126
http://www.immed.org/publications/fatigue_illness/pub1-3-13-00.html
http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/8/mycoplasma.htm
http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/activism/brucellosis-scott.html
//www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=6&i=489
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/mycoplasma.html
If you develop a deadly microorganism, why not patent it?
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/micopat.htm
Very technical, might not be interesting
http://www.rense.com/general7/wps2.htm
This is something that your government has prepared for many years before it was developed, so it's no surprise to them, although of course not everyone in government is aquainted with the issue.
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Found this excerpt from Lapis site about mycoplasma now.
Uva Ursi or bearberry (an herb used mainly for bladder infections) is effective against mycoplasmas. However, to be effective,
the body must be kept alkaline and should be used with the advice of a competent nutritionist. Uva Ursi must not be used for
more than 14 days in succession.
We also recommend at least 350-700 mgs daily of pycnogenols (to help with free radical damage), 1,000 mgs daily of omega
3 essential fatty acids (especially shark liver oil), 50-100 mgs zinc (do not exceed 100 mgs. daily). STAY AWAY FROM
SUGARS…(sorry…no Snicker’s™).
Another effective approach is the use of olive leaf extract and ReGenesis. ReGenesis was developed by Dr. Hugh Smith and
has proved to be extremely effective in chronic illnesses stemming from mycoplasma infections such as Arthritis and MS.
If you are suffering from any “unknown” disorders or chronic illnesses that are “all in your head” and have been told it’s
incurable, you might want to strongly consider trying the above regimen for 3 months. If you experience relief, you can be
relatively certain you’re on the right healing track and this time, Mother Nature won’t be fooled.
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This is a reply to # 105,099Hi Paul again
If you are really going to start Antibiotics perhaps try the Marshall protocol instead. The outcome as I remember in statistics is that less people are getting "well" on it than the Nicholson protocol, but at least your body has a chance to recover somewhat because the doses are not as high. I think the idea was that the lyme in that case will not go into "hiding" if the doses are lower and therefore the Antibiotic can attack better. I think a lot of people are feeling terrible on the benicar though so perhaps skip that. - Do you know the alloy content of you... bh
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>>>The hybrids gave me arthritis, the glass ionomers made me nauseous. Now, I have gold but the cement might very well also be causing me problems
I don't think the cement would cause you any problems. Do you know what % metal composition your gold fillings are? Most gold fillings have cytotoxic palladium in them, which after I learned I reneged on getting gold fillings. Palladium is banned in Switzerland for dental work and discouraged in Germany.
Find out the composition of the filling. If your dentist says 'high noble' that doesn't mean jack, just means high noble metal content where palladium is a noble metal too. Platinum is fine, but any palladium or copper is bad. If he can't tell you, obviously you got what you got.- Re: Do you know the alloy content of... thismustbetheplace
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This is a reply to # 105,169Yeah - pure gold is too malleable so they would have to be an alloy. Platinum can cause mastocystosis by putting out too much histamine and causing something called platinosis which is really really bad. Nickel is probably in there because it is dirt cheap and used often in alloys. It is genotoxic and cancer causing
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