• Liver Flush: Nothing Happened?   jempuddleduck   23 m  275  † C †
  
  

  Liver Flush: Nothing Happened?

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  Hello there!
  
  I have completed two modified liver flushes, and nothing abnormal "came out."
  
  How common is this?
  
  And is it worth trying again "properly?"
  
  MY REGULAR DIET and DETOX REGIME: I am in my early thirties, and have eaten a relatively "healthy" diet (emphasis on whole grains and legumes) for most of my life. I take psyllium, activated charcoal, and diatomaceous earth every day in the morning and evening.
  
  REASON FOR FLUSHING: I have CFS/ME and POTS, so I'm trying almost anything people say can help improve energy levels.
  
  HOW I MODIFIED THE FLUSHES:
  
  Flush #1
  (July 2022)
  
  I substituted 1 teaspoon of magnesium citrate (Now brand) mixed with 8 oz water for one serving of the Epsom Salt preparation, because that's all that was readily available in my country, and I'd read that some folks found they didn't need to take as much (or even any) salts in order to flush.
  
  I used the regular amount of olive oil (1/2 cup).
  
  Flush #2
  (October 2022)
  
  I doubled both the magnesium citrate and the olive oil.
  
  RESULTS OF "Flush #1:" Was constipated for a couple of days (this is unusual for me, and surprised me, and after it stopped, there was nothing unusual in the stool), then had loads of energy for a couple of weeks.
  
  RESULTS OF "Flush #2:" Digestion was perfectly normal, and stool was perfectly normal, too.
  
  I am a bit hesitant to order and take the Epsom Salts , especially at such high doses, because I worry it may affect my POTS negatively... But I'm also curious to see if I can get anything to "happen."
  
  Maybe I don't have the stones?
  
  Thanks for any feedback or personal stories!
  
  

   
  

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• Ethylene oxide healed my chronic Lyme   Balula   4 y  300  † C †
  
  

  Ethylene oxide healed my chronic Lyme

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  I've been exposed to low levels of ethylene oxide at work due to some faulty equipment for few weeks and am now completely symptom free.
  
  I had lyme for last 10 years, did multiple Antibiotics therapy without results.I tried most of the alternative stuff (MMS, zappers, essential oils, Colloidal Silver , ozone ect.) and got some results but mostly herx reactions... I finally stick myself to vitamins support and IV immunoglobulins for the lasts years.
  
  Now I cannot completely be sure that ethylene oxide did it, but I did not changed anything else. Ethylene oxide is a powerful antibacterial, serve as disinfectant in hospital or as pesticide, so it could make sense it affect borrelia.
  
  Why it works and not all the other antibacterial agents is a mystery.
  I don't recommend trying this on yourself as it is also quite toxic (known cancerigen and can cause leukemia in long term).
  If ever someone who do lab research on lyme see this, you should look into it.

   
  

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  I've had enough of this chronic fatigue and pain. ...   ZaWarudo   4 y  1,020  † C †
  
  

  I've had enough of this chronic fatigue and pain. Having issues with my liver, is this because of biofilm related infection?

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  Hello, for about 10 years I’ve been struggling with chronic fatigue and systemic pain along with various food sensitivities (can not eat any sugars/carbs/or starches). I’ve had numerous tests all come back inconclusive about any sort of parasite/fungal/bacterial infections and not so convincing results from metal tests. I am losing my mind because no one seems to be able to give me an answer anywhere I look. I’ve had a comprehensive stool test come back positive for an increased amount of pseudomonas aeruginosa. I’ve also had numerous blood tests come back with low neutrophils signifying some sort of infection.
  
  Any time I took natural antimicrobials it would work for a good several weeks and I would start to feel better, then all of a sudden just stop working and my body would start to degenerate again. It's so frustrating because I'm consumed by brain fog/chronic fatigue and constant pain in my limbs/joints/eyes and my abdomen is always sore. I’ve had a sibo test done and it came back just slightly above normal (according to the test it resulted in still being considered “positive”) for methane-based gas. Now I’ve read that this could be contributed to poor liver function and various other things going on causing methane build up that would also be associated with ibs (which I also have. Lots of difficulty with having regular smooth BM). The doctor I was seeing at the time didn’t seem to concerned over it and concluded that it would be fine for me to even take probiotics.
  
  It was suggested to me by someone on this very forum that it could potentially be biofilm related (which wouldn’t surprise me because I’ve had a rather extensive history of Antibiotic use). About a couple months ago I started taking NAC (1500mg per day) or rotated with a blend of enzymes from a product called biofilmX by vita-aid. Designed to specifically dissolve biofilms. It seemed that the first few weeks were pretty astonishing. I had felt a lot of positive feedback and started taking natural antimicrobials again and started noticing that I was gradually feeling better, albeit very slowly and a lot more sluggish feeling overall (I’m assuming this biofilm is releasing toxins into my system or something). My BMs were doing better and I wasn’t feeling exhausted to the point of passing out every day. Fast forwards a couple of months and I’m starting to notice my bms are once again difficult to pass, and I’m particularly getting a lot of floating/greasy stools almost every day along with infrequent pains in my liver that come and go. I’m starting to get a lot of brain fog again and my energy is once again depleting. I’ve been taking 6 liver support pills that contain milk thistle, schisandra, artichoke, dandelion and beat a day before meals a long with the occasional Swedish bitters. It’s the same damn cycle all over again. I start to get better then all of a sudden a switch clicks off and I start spiraling…
  
  Does anybody have any insight as to what is going on? I’ve never really delved into biofilm related stuff before and no medical professional I’ve talked to seems to have any idea about how to address biofilms. I’ve read that you shouldn’t self diagnose with biofilm because it can become extremely complicated. But I have nowhere else to turn and this seems like it might be the missing key to what I’ve been trying to accomplish for so long. Is there any test I can even do to figure out what biofilms if any that I have?
  

   
  

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  • I suggest you see a lyme literate MD for testing. ...   WhoAreYouNormally   4 y  978
    
    

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    I suggest you see a lyme literate MD for testing. In the mean time try some very low doses of cat’s claw to see if you get a strong herx. Metals testing and a lot of pathogen tests are notor ....

    I suggest you see a lyme literate MD for testing.
    
    In the mean time try some very low doses of cat's claw to see if you get a strong herx.
    
    Metals testing and a lot of pathogen tests are notoriously inaccurate.
    
    
    

     
    

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• What is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?   trapper/kcmo   4 y  248
  
  

  What is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?

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  My treatment protocol for SIBO, IBS and CFS   dh2909   5 y  1,053  † C †
  
  

  My treatment protocol for SIBO, IBS and CFS

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  Today I started my treatment protocol. I will document my daily progress, using three key markers. I will use a percentage for how my DIGESTION, ENERGY and general HAPPINESS are on a day to day basis. All consistently above 90% is the target. I will also provide a brief description of what the day entailed.

  Once my protocol is complete, I will provide a graph of my day to day progress to give an overall view of how I have progressed through my treatment.

  I look forward to reading your comments. Please comment if you are currently on a protocol of your own and how you are progressing.

  I feel it is important to note that I have been on a low FODMAP diet for two weeks before starting this protocol. The low FODMAP diet has increased my Digestion, Energy and general Happiness by around 15%.

  Visit my blog for full details on my treatment protocol

  Supplements I am using.
  Support:

  • Betaine HCL
  • Digestive Enzymes
  • Bile
  • Vitamin C
    Active
  • Biofilm Defence
  • Allicin
  • Oregano Oil
  • Berberine
  • Wormwood
  • Olive Leaf Extract
  • Pau D’arco
  • Diatomaceous earth

  Day 1
  Todays Foods:
  Sweet Potato
  Turkey
  Cheese
  Blueberries
  Orange
  Butter

   

  Notes:
  I have felt bloated and had some gas today. I have also been burping following meals. The bloating and gas could be due to poor diet choices and alcohol over the weekend.

  I felt anxious at times with butterflies in my stomach. I attribute this to too much cheese as cheese has caused it before. I ate cheese over the weekend and today. From now on, I will only include a small amount of goats cheese.

  I, unfortunately, ran out of sweet potato for my evening meal and the supermarket did not have any in stock. I had to substitute with white potato which will be on tomorrows food list.

  I also forgot to do my morning meditation. I will start tonight with 10 minutes of meditation.

  Digestion - 60%
  Energy - 65%
  Happiness - 60%

   
  

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  • You are on the right lines but there are some opti...   BrightSideOfLife   5 y  1,364
    
    

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    You are on the right lines but there are some optimizations that I will recommend. EDTA - you can buy this in powder and then encapsulate it. Then when you put 2 size zero capsules into your mo ....

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    You are on the right lines but there are some optimizations that I will recommend.
    
    EDTA - you can buy this in powder and then encapsulate it. Then when you put 2 size zero capsules into your mouth and dissolve them just before the capsule begins to disintegrate. Then wash it down quickly with a glass of water. Be very careful because you do not want EDTA near your teeth!!! It absorbs many metals including calcium, magnesium etc which make up a biofilm.
    
    Quorum Sensing Inhibitors, without these you will not beat a biofilm. Most people fail to do this and as a result they do not eliminate the biofilm. The most complete products which also includes Efflux Pump Inhibitors are BFB-01 & BFB-02. They are essential oils which are meant for external use but the essential oils are safe to consume. However pure Organic oils would be better. They are oils which tend to converge and keeping them dispersed would be beneficial. Making these oils or the same organic oils into liposomes would prevent them from combining into one large oil mass which will have less effect against the biofilm and could miss it entirely.
    
    https://supremenutritionproducts.com/BFB/
    
    BTW the burping is often the result of a urease positive bacteria infection of the stomach. This is what is promoting your SIBO. Try spitting out your saliva while you are digesting food ie protein. If you have a urease infection the Betaine HCL is a bit of a waste of time because they will neutralize it as soon as they get urea (saliva) to produce ammonia (alkaline). These bacteria poison the body with ammonia. I have this myself so I have a lot of experience with it.
    
    I do not rate those antimicrobials, they are pretty poor IMO.
    
    I have spent 5.5 years working all this out and I am about to cure my CFS, as soon as I can get around to do it. I have so many other things using up my time that I have not been able to find time to do it. My washing machine failed and I am having to spend hours trying to get washing clean after running out of clothes. I am trying to make the liposomes so that I can test that they successfully prevent the bacteria's communication so that I can eliminate all the biofilms. Ideally a comprehensive list of EPI's to address all possible Efflux Pumps are used to reduce their efflux pumps so that they cannot eliminate/deactivate antimicrobials.

     
    

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  How Electromedicine Cured Me   jaguar57   6 y  1,463
  
  

  How Electromedicine Cured Me

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   After decades of trying supplements, diet, meditation, etc I finally found that as long as you're very infected you can't "raise your immunity" so it can naturally take out the offending virus. Then I used the Beck blood electrifier and after 2 months of usage was free of the virus and felt much better and as time went on got better and better. Here is my full story: http://www.dragonfly75.com/eng/my-exp.html

   
  

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  • Here’s a book about a retrovirus that causes CFIDS...   jaguar57   6 y  1,428
    
    

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    Here’s a book about a retrovirus that causes CFIDS: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18210903-plague (I’ve never doubted that CFIDS is viral since the infection hit me like a ton of bricks s ....

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    Here's a book about a retrovirus that causes CFIDS: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18210903-plague
    
    (I've never doubted that CFIDS is viral since the infection hit me like a ton of bricks shortly after having my first kiss with my first girlfriend)

     
    

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    • CFS is not caused by a virus, it can activate it b...   BrightSideOfLife   6 y  1,420
      
      

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      CFS is not caused by a virus, it can activate it but the cause was there before that and will not be affected by these type of treatments. Most people have those types of virus and yet they do not ....

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      CFS is not caused by a virus, it can activate it but the cause was there before that and will not be affected by these type of treatments. Most people have those types of virus and yet they do not have CFS.
      
      Did your girlfriend develop CFS?
      
      Some people claim that Increased Digestive Permeability which is always present in CFS, is caused by candida because they falsely think that hyphae are implicated in causing the IDP. Viruses cannot cause it, but larger biofilm creating micro-organisms can cause it, bacteria, yeast and fungi. There are thousands of different micro-organisms which can cause it and they are all of varying resistance. Some are easy to defeat whereas others are resistant to most things.
      
      Think of it as a respite because it will most likely return as soon as you are tipped over the detox cliff once again.

       
      

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      • I thoroughly disagree with your inexperienced asse...   jaguar57   6 y  1,427
        
        

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        I thoroughly disagree with your inexperienced assessment. I assure everyone reading this that I was very very sick for 16 years and the difference before and after electromedicine treatment was li ....

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        I thoroughly disagree with your inexperienced assessment. I assure everyone reading this that I was very very sick for 16 years and the difference before and after electromedicine treatment was like night and day. And the cure has lasted for 20 years. I have spoken to many CFIDS sufferers that also felt theirs was an infectious disease. If you need some professional assurance just read the book "Plague: One Scientist’s Intrepid Search for the Truth about Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), Autism, and Other Diseases". As with all viruses people can just be carriers of them without getting sick from them as was the case with my girlfriend. Some researchers have said that the reason some people like myself get chronically sick with viruses is an immune system that is deficient in natural killer cells. So we can get colds and flu easily but other than that live fairly normal till something like Epstein Barr Virus or XMRV infects us. Then the infection is strong and never gets defeated and the person stays sickly and tired all the time just like a person with the flu is deadly tired.

         
        

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        • In reading the book “Plague” I doubt anyone would ...   jaguar57   5 y  1,198
          
          

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          In reading the book “Plague” I doubt anyone would ever sense anything but the utmost respect for researcher Judy Mikovits who is a stickler for detail, leaving no rock unturned so that her conclus ....

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          In reading the book “Plague” I doubt anyone would ever sense anything but the utmost respect for researcher Judy Mikovits who is a stickler for detail, leaving no rock unturned so that her conclusions would be undeniable. In the research she reported in her Science magazine article she had found evidence of XMRV retrovirus infection in 67% of ME/CFS patients and in 4% of the general population.
          
          Follow up studies by other researchers did not confirm her discovery but it turns out they didn’t follow her precise methods and they didn’t screen the patients to weed out those with chronic fatigue from other causes such as heavy metal toxicity.
          
          Judy was the forerunner/expert on the subject but her advice on how to do follow up studies was not followed. As you read the book you get a glimpse into the world of Science that leaves you with the impression that too many scientists are into ego and group-think instead of only being interested in finding out the truth.
          
          Quoted from Plague:
          “The argument Mikovits and her team made was that their paper was not simply “a survey of Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome using PCR or a search for antibodies to XMRV proteins” in a poorly defined group of patients. They had used several different assays for the presence of XMRV nucleic acids, proteins, and infectious virus.”
          “Mikovits believed the association between XMRV and ME/CFS may have been even stronger than her teams work indicated. She wanted to study ME/CFS exposure to the virus more broadly. In an unpublished investigation, she and her colleagues analyzed blood cells in about 330 ME/CFS patients and found that more than 95 percent had evidence of XMRV infection”

           
          

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          • A better way of getting the book is just ordering ...   jaguar57   5 y  1,211
            
            

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            A better way of getting the book is just ordering it from amazon. Previously I had ordered it from goodbooks but never received it. https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Scientist-C2-92s-Intrepid-Retrovi ....

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            A better way of getting the book is just ordering it from amazon. Previously I had ordered it from goodbooks but never received it.
            https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Scientist-C2-92s-Intrepid-Retroviruses-Syndrome-dp-1510713948/dp/1510713948/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1554669709

             
            

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  Hair analysis says I'm high in sodium, arsenic, so...   juntjoo   6 y  1,295  † C †
  
  

  Hair analysis says I'm high in sodium, arsenic, sodium/magnesium, and strontium. What does that tell you?

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  The values, if it means anything to you are Na=65, As=.126, Sr=1.39, Na/Mg=9.85. Am I about to die lol? I sure don't feel good. I'm on a gajillion supplements and a super healthy Diet and eat about once a day, but I guess I gotta cut out anything salty. My is stress is high and sleep really poor and energy low but I can't deal with the stress until I can relieve my pain and rest and feel a bit more energetic. It feels like suicide to deal with stressful situations in my current state. Any suggestions? Maybe I ought to focus on just getting that arsenic out? And where did that come from? I've no idea but I've always been ill and stressed but it has gradually gotten worse since childhood. Can anyone relate? Ive got classic adrenal fatigue symptoms, trauma, etc...

   
  

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  • You might send your test results to this site used...   joegrane   6 y  1,345
    
    

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    You might send your test results to this site used by members of heavy metal detox support groups. http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest3/ I used A. Cutler’s proto ....

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    You might send your test results to this site used by members of heavy metal detox support groups.
    http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest3/
    
    I used A. Cutler's protocol for heavy metal detox. He thinks hair is not a good way to test sodium status in the body. However he thinks ratios of calcium, magnesium sodium and potassium can suggest a need for more support for adrenals or thyroid, etc.
    
    Was your sodium and potassium both on the high side of normal and magnesium and potassium on the low side?
    
    In the detox groups when we see indications of chronic mercury toxicity and somewhat elevated arsenic we usually see reports of chemical and food sensitivities . The combination of toxins seems to damage liver function.
    
    

     
    

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    • Great suggestion. Thanks. Will do. Wasn’t aware of...   juntjoo   6 y  1,422
      
      

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      Great suggestion. Thanks. Will do. Wasn’t aware of this group/forum. And no, my na/k is within high normal range and na/mg is like off the chart.

      Great suggestion. Thanks. Will do. Wasn't aware of this group/forum. And no, my na/k is within high normal range and na/mg is like off the chart.

       
      

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  • Unfortunately I’m not expert at analyzing hair tes...   WhoAreYouNormally   6 y  1,361
    
    

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    Unfortunately I’m not expert at analyzing hair tests. I think you should post the results of your test (hide your name). There are facebook groups for hair test analysis. High sodium can be par ....

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    Unfortunately I'm not expert at analyzing hair tests. I think you should post the results of your test (hide your name). There are facebook groups for hair test analysis.
    
    High sodium can be part of the three lows pattern. It does not necessarily mean you need a low sodium diet. It could mean that your body is holding onto sodium as you may not be intaking enough.
    
    Do you have blood Sugar regulation problems?
    
    You could try experimenting with higher intake of potassium to antagonize sodium and see if that helps. Most people in adrenal fatigue states do better with a high sodium diet though.
    
    Coriander leaf, and possibly seed can help to excrete arsenic.
    
    https://www.detoxmetals.com/research/natural-heavy-metal-chelator-born/
    
    One meal per day does not seem good. Adrenal fatigue needs a lot to combat it and this means eating a lot or supplementing a lot to rebuild strength.
    
    http://drlwilson.com/articles/ARSENIC.htm
    
    
    Often people think they are eating healthy but the diet is not ideal. For example if you're eating a lot of rice this can be one possible source of the arsenic. Some supplements could be contaminated as well.
    
    I would add in Green Clay in small amounts to help detox.
    
    In general I think a high calorie diet is good for adrenal fatigue.
    
    Look into mineral supplementation.
    
    If you are not feeling better with your gazillion supplements then odds are some of them are making you worse.
    
    

     
    

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    • Thank you. Ill take your response into account. ...   juntjoo   6 y  1,148
      
      

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      Thank you. Ill take your response into account. I don’t know about my blood sugar regulation. Wouldn’t know how to test it. I’ve been getting a bit better though with everything I’ve been doing ....

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      Thank you. Ill take your response into account. I don't know about my blood Sugar regulation. Wouldn't know how to test it. I've been getting a bit better though with everything I've been doing but/ so idk what's helping. Not so much dizziness upon standing up fpr ex.. As far as Sugar goes I've cut that out by a good 80%. Diet overall is very controlled and yeah I'm still trying to space it out as much as possible and eat only as necessary. My internal jury is still out on what's the best way to go about that. But i like the concept of eating less having the body adjust. And I do like saving money on not eating so much. At least one good meal a day plus a healthy shake and my vitamin/ mineral water, both drinks are vitamin/ supplement concoctions so I know I'm not sufficient there... two or three jujitsu classes a week which anywhere you read is too much and yeah it hurts me hence 3 days max but it's a personal thing i have to do and it's a gauge for my health, which basically consistently tells me I'm ill. I'd like to be able to get some relief on the skin issues i get with it, as if the joint and muscle pain overall inflamation isn't enough, but the itchy skin/ eczema all over is pretty annoying 24/7.
      
      Planning on getting my few Amalgam fillings replaced before heavy metal detoxing, which I've been doin a bit with different supplements but I'm kinda holding off on them. Went to regular dentist then learned you gotta go to a special kind of dentist who knows what's up otherwise you're dealing with 'mainstream ' thinking people who typically think their degree makes them more knowledgeable than they necessarily are. That's always an annoying experience. Don't like going to regular doctors or taking my cats you the vet. But anyway, found a dentist in the area who's a part of that organization that promotes... i forget off the top of my head, something about safe/ smart/ holistic dentistry, so they should be able to take care of me without infecting me with my fillings. Gawd, regular dentist had the receptionist relay to me that no they don't do any kind of 'elimination' as it's not necessary and that I should feel free to search for another dentist that does' thanks for the extra unnecessary patronizing words lol. A simple 'no, sorry ' would have sufficed.
      
      I'm hoping after a get those out and do some good chelating ill start to notice some improvements. Lots of mental issues that i instinctively feel are big factors but my pain and fatigue make the tasks, small daily and large spiritually challenging huge ones seem so daunting to impossible. Just a good but of physical relief i feel will work my life wonders. Fingers crossed. Ill take other poster's advice and submit my hair test to this other forum where the community helps decipher it
      
      Thanks...

       
      

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  Probiotics Have Destroyed My Digestive System   Mojojomo   6 y  2,153  † C †
  
  

  Probiotics Have Destroyed My Digestive System

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  Just a warning to anyone out there who are considering taking probiotics, I have given myself severe dysbiosis by taking them. The only probiotics I've found that my immune system tolerates are plain old lactobacillus acidophilus (floragen) and making scd yogurt from the yogourmet yogurt starter(I actually see benefit from these). All other strains my gut treats like an infection. I'll get loose yellow stool, diarrhea, and lots of mucous in my stool from anything else whether it's a lactobacillus plantarum probiotic, floragen 3 probiotic with acidophilus and 2 strains of bifidobacterium, or kefir. Before when I took these probiotics, my body was always able to compensate for the poison I was putting in it. I would have loose yellow bowel movements with undigested food for days after taking it but I would still be able to eat most foods except for sugar/ very carby for a while. It would always return to some sort of a balance. But now, my body is so compromised the only foods I can eat are meat, fat and herbs. I cant even tolerate low carb vegtables my microbiome is so altered. My intestines hurt all the time and I have a lot of brain fog and fatigue as well. I also now suffer from panic attacks. If I eat carbs, I can sometimes instantly have a panic attack. At first I was able to treat this with herbs and got myself better for a while in early 2017. But then I went experimenting with probiotics (floragen 3) again shortly after stopping the herbs not yet realizing probiotics were causing my issues. Within two days of that, I was having loose yellow stool, abdominal pain, burning urination, and diarrhea. And with that, gone was my ability to digest anything but meat. If you look back at my previous post from 2015, I talk about my symptoms and how I got to where I was. I always thought it was the medications I was on that put me where I was. And don't get me wrong they were giving me some pretty serious problems, but I was able to track when things started to go seriously wrong during track season of my senior year of high school down to an order of "Garden of Life Raw Probiotics Men" on April 8th 2015. I was pretty much on my way to complete recovery before that thanks to stopping all the medications. (Again read my older post for more info, I'll link it below) I don't even know how to treat this anymore. Herbs and Antibiotics help temporarily but only temporarily and in the end don't make much of a difference. The only other thing that has helped are osmotic laxatives to help wash out some bacteria and fasting. I'm not sure how I'm going to approach this from here. I'm working with a very open minded GP and a naturopath and hopefully will be able to report back with some success eventually. Just wanted to get the word out that trying to be healthy can be dangerous. Especially when it comes to putting live organisms in your body that interact with your immune system. There's a fine line between probiotic and pathogen and our immune systems are all so different we don't know how they will react to what we put in it. There is no one size fits all. Probiotics can be amazing but start with simple first. Just a single strain is all you need and preferably just plain acidophilus. It is the most widely used and most researched.
  
  Link to my post from 2015: https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2252836#i
  Also as a side note for the above link the probiotic the doctor prescribed me was floragen (Plain Acidophilus)
  
  

   
  

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  • You are correct, probiotics are marketed as the la...   linenup   6 y  1,792
    
    

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    You are correct, probiotics are marketed as the latest and greatest. Dr. Leo Galland talks about this, that oftentimes that by adding probiotics, you are stimulating more immune action which is no ....

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    You are correct, probiotics are marketed as the latest and greatest. Dr. Leo Galland talks about this, that oftentimes that by adding probiotics, you are stimulating more immune action which is not good, the second problem is that there are a wide variety of probiotics and indiscriminately adding any probiotic could be problematic.
    
    Sounds like a SIBO issue may be at play.

     
    

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    • Thanks for the reply, I just had a SIBO test do...   Mojojomo   6 y  1,648
      
      

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      Thanks for the reply, I just had a SIBO test done, here are the results: https://www.curezone.org/ig/i.asp?i=100133 They are pretty conclusive, it is negative. Even though I know they’re ....

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      Thanks for the reply,
      
      I just had a SIBO test done, here are the results:
      
      https://www.curezone.org/ig/i.asp?i=100133
      
      They are pretty conclusive, it is negative. Even though I know they're not a %100 accurate, I really don't have the most basic symptoms like bloating from fibrous foods and do okay on garlic. I just feel really bad a couple of hours after eating them. If I drink fruit juice for example, I don't get diarrhea right away. I get it 4-8 hours later.
      
      I believe my problem is dysbiosis brought on by probiotics that act like a pathogen in my system. It explains why I can survive on meat, fat, and herbs because they're not fermentable. If I eat fiber/ fermentable foods I get so sick and weak to where I can't function.
      
      The only other things that help are fasting and osmotic laxatives as they help get the microbial count down. There has to be a way out of this. It's never been so bad though where I was never able to eat plant foods. My gut always was able to recover even though back in 2015 I onslaughted my gut with a multi-strain probiotic that affected me negatively for months. My own natural flora and immune system were able to get back on track. Once I started seeing a doctor one of the only supplements I was on was that garden of life probiotic. He told me to stop it. My health recovered to a point where I was able to move out of my house and get an appartment. I realized then it was the probiotic that made me sick. Any other time I tried a probiotic it made me sick with loose yellow stool and fatigue.
      
      To anyone else who experiences loose yellow stool, fatigue, Chronic belching/sulfur smelling burps shortly after starting a probiotic, stop it immediately. This is what happened after I started taking a probiotic that did not agree with me and it has ruined my health.

       
      

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      • Then the next likely explanation is that you have...   linenup   6 y  1,724
        
        

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        Then the next likely explanation is that you have a dominance of a particular bacteria that is creating imbalance, at least that is my thinking. Ubiome has a test that can identify specific bacte ....

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        Then the next likely explanation is that you have a dominance of a particular bacteria that is creating imbalance, at least that is my thinking. Ubiome has a test that can identify specific bacteria and grouping. It used to be reasonable, but I think they changed some things around.

         
        

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        • I just had one done by Genova Diagnostics and it s...   Mojojomo   6 y  1,673
          
          

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          I just had one done by Genova Diagnostics and it showed a potentially pathogenic bacteria is slightly overgrown (Hafnia Alvei). Here are the results of that. https://www.curezone.org/upload/_D_ ....

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          I just had one done by Genova Diagnostics and it showed a potentially pathogenic bacteria is slightly overgrown (Hafnia Alvei). Here are the results of that.
          
          https://www.curezone.org/upload/_D_Forums/Dysbiosis/Stool_Test.pdf
          
          I went on a 10 day course of Antibiotics and it helped slightly but no significant improvement. Part of my problem is that whatever is in me is so resistant that I don't think I'll be able to make it go away with herbals/ Antibiotics . I'm currently on day 3 of a Water Fast and plan on going for 7 days. We'll see if that helps me make any sort of progress. I just can't believe a probiotic has messed me up this bad. It's sad that trying to be healthy ruined my health.

           
          

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  • How is your liver. Also I believe anxiety is cause...   Zztop807   6 y  1,777
    
    

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    How is your liver. Also I believe anxiety is caused by sleep apnea. How r u sleeping. Need a sleep test? I believe thats why my daughter had severe anxiety.

    How is your liver. Also I believe anxiety is caused by sleep apnea. How r u sleeping. Need a sleep test? I believe thats why my daughter had severe anxiety.

     
    

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    • Generally I am able to get enough sleep. The only ...   Mojojomo   6 y  1,649
      
      

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      Generally I am able to get enough sleep. The only time I can’t is when I’m having a panic attack, which will be relieved the next morning by a couple bouts of loose stool and diarrhea.

      Generally I am able to get enough sleep. The only time I can't is when I'm having a panic attack, which will be relieved the next morning by a couple bouts of loose stool and diarrhea.

       
      

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      • Sounds like gut dysbiosis, this can lead to acid r...   Darling   6 y  1,635
        
        

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        Sounds like gut dysbiosis, this can lead to acid reflux. Keep away from ppi as you’ll never get off them if you start them with dysbiosis. Over time the dysbiosis can travel upwards causing sibo ....

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        Sounds like gut dysbiosis, this can lead to acid reflux. Keep away from ppi as you'll never get off them if you start them with dysbiosis. Over time the dysbiosis can travel upwards causing sibo and reflux, this can lead to increase plaque in the mouth. Some people shouldn't take probiotics at all. The problem is we are all unique and we simply don't know which ones suit us individually.
        
        The other problem you have now is that because you have an imbalance, to much of any Antibiotic may make you feel better at first but if you need them long term you don't know how you're going to cope with them.
        
        Also, many people who have tried Antibiotics and think they are cured find that the condition just comes back again.
        
        Truthfully, your gut will improve hugely over time but it won't cure itself. Bacteria is all around us and everytime you place your hand on a surface and put that hand to your mouth you are injesting bacteria, that's good, you need that. Over time things will gradually improve as you injest more bacteria but it's going to take time, I'm thinking a minimum of two years but if you keep taking the herbs that will have an effect on bacteria injested. By this time you will be eating carbs. You will find you can tolerate different carbs than others. For instance you may tolerate the carbs from an avocado but not from a rice cake, it takes time. Many people can't tolerate eggs but that's often not true, it's the whites that usually cause the problem. Rainbow trout is good for calcium intake and is often better tolerated than salmon. Rice bran oil has no carbs. Liquigen is good for fat intake and getting calories higher. Have you tried avocado to see if you can tolerate it, it's usually a very well tolerated food and the carb intake is lower but it is an almost nutritionally complete food. In your case you have to try different foods, you should always start with one tsp.
        
        

         
        

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        • I’m wondering if you have candida and that is the ...   jaguar57   6 y  1,556
          
          

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          I’m wondering if you have candida and that is the reason for the upset when you took the probiotics. Good bacteria and candida fight for squatters rights on the surface of your intestines.

          I'm wondering if you have candida and that is the reason for the upset when you took the probiotics. Good bacteria and candida fight for squatters rights on the surface of your intestines.

           
          

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    • I learned a thing or two from my doctor some peo...   #154340   6 y  1,604
      
      

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      I learned a thing or two from my doctor some people with anxiety, brain fog, memory loss etc.. are being helped with BioBody Balance oil Some of the doctors are suggesting a drink made ....

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      I learned a thing or two from my doctor
      some people with anxiety, brain fog, memory loss etc..
      are being helped with BioBody Balance oil
      
      
      Some of the doctors are suggesting a drink made with one tablespoon of Phosphatidylcholine (PC) and one tablespoon Bodybio Balance oil with 1/4 C coconut milk and water mixed together into a twice a day a drink and with two egg whites. or two boiled eggs
      
      
      The more I researched it and found it to be interesting.
      3I have brain fog and my doc suggested this twice a day for two
      following that 20 IV's.
      
      It is pricey, but my doc wanted me to use that brand so I just bought it.
      

       
      

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