OK Rosa Klebb. I’ll make sure I give those boots a wide berth. Thx for the heads up.   [End]
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I think I’ll keep my steel toe boots handy, just in case some name-taking and butt kicking are required. And better security, hum. I think front line hackers can get through pretty much anything. So, my best hope is vigilance. Maybe not enough, but about as good as possible in conjunction with the security I do have. And there’s plenty of computers available for sale. I’ll just get another one. :)   [End]
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Still waiting for my prize mate.   [End]
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Funny how we got from MS to a big girl’s blouse. #461 kinda does that to you........if you let her, that is.   [End]
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Well, in that case, you should be able to repel all those attacks with your ballet shoes alone. That and some security software for your ’puter.   [End]
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I’ve encountered ruthless many times along the way. It’s amazing how little even they can do with someone who is quite emotionally healthy. It doesn’t phase me--usually they’re not the brightest tool in the shed either, and end up looking like fools.   [End]
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There’s no one better at this than me. But there are more ruthless operators out there. I’m a big girl’s blouse by comparison to them.   [End]
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loquat, I expect no mercy, don’t need it actually. But thanks for (not) caring. :) I’ll be fine--it’ll be interesting if indeed there’s someone ’better’ at this than you. I’ll make sure to wear my steel toed boots. I do plan on reading your expose’ though. I’m sure it’ll be preaching to the choir in my case, but I am looking forward to seeing your approach and information. I’m sure it’ll be much more scientifical than mine. And Blue Nun--after my loadmaster days with the Ramstien, Germany turns where we always brought A-6 bags full of cases of amazing German wines, (spatlese was my f ...
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- Blue Nun Ja wohl! Das Liebfraumilch ist sehr gut!   [End]
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That transparent am I? Sheesh..........kebab. You’re too smart for me. I’m handing your case over to my boss. He doesn’t take prisoners, and you’ll need more than ballet shoes to deflect his onslaught. Don’t bother coming back to me for mercy when you’re out for the count. I’ll be too busy taking over the world, hunting witches, and hacking your ’puter to be of any use to you. Oh yeah, and putting the finishing touches on that cartel expose. Let’s not forget that, shall we? I’m off to Annabels’ now to drown my sorrows in a bottle (or 3) of Blue Nun before the real work begins. ...
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Ahhh---so we’re going with too smart for their own good approach, making it better to dwell in the lower altitudes of mediocrity as an out for my being smarter than you, perhaps. Nice try. I’ve never said I thought you weren’t quite intelligent or clever--I just question your focus/motives while using those skills. There’s never a dull moment though. Keeps me on my toes--pretty soon I’ll be a ballerina. :)   [End]
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Dammit, she got me on the small stuff too. And on her infernal dumbed-down dictionary to boot. How did that happen? Was my back turned? IQ? You do realize that genius is just one step away from insanity, don’t you? Which are you - genius, or insane? Now I just gotta scurry off to lick my wounds, & work on my IQ in a futile attempt to scale the dizzy heights you inhabit. At any rate, glad you were amused. We try to please, us programmers.   [End]
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See, right there. You imply that because I disagree with your reasoning about who owns the dictionary, it somehow proves my ’inconsistencies’. The original premise was you implying it was owned by the pharmaceutical cartel, which I then disagreed--pointing out the the ’elites’, owners of all the abusive industries and systems, who are also owners of the cartel, are behind the ’new’ form of dumbed down dictionary as well as the dumbed down educational system. NOT the cartel, although owned by the same people, two entirely different facets, and not at all inconsistent. Then you try to lum ...
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So they DO control dictionary definitions as well after all? Why did you deny it when I suggested that was exactly what you were suggesting by your disagreement with a dictionary definition? At least make an attempt at consistency. I never said I’d agree w. you on everything. I reserve the right to disagree about the small stuff, like dictionaries. As for my dumb questions, I would disrespectfully suggest that if anybody is using a dumbed-down dictionary, it’s you. On the evidence of our exchanges alone, my mastery of the language leaves yours eating dust. And as for my logic, go back ...
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It’s still the ’elites’ behind the dumbing down, even as they’re behind the pharmaceutical cartel, the oil syndicate, big agriculture, and right on down the list, and no doubt they’re behind the dumbed down dictionary to match the dumbed down version of education these days. 70 years ago, the dumbing down hadn’t begun yet--so you actually had to know how to read to read a dictionary then. And say, aren’t you supposed to be agreeing with me, instead of asking questions based on sounding too dumb to understand what I mean?? Well, while not proof in your narrow world view, I can actuall ...
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Ya mean to tell me there is actually something the elite don’t control? Really?? Cor blimey Mabel, get me my zimmer frame and nebulizer. I think I’m about to pass out. So now we’re tapping into 70 yr old definitions are we? Well that explains everything. Why didn’t I think of that? And how lame of me to come up with that little squirrel vignette as a ’defense’ against your unassailable case for the prosecution. As for not believing in coincidences, that’s my line, and you stole it. As I said, much easier to simply agree with you, so yeah, it was me what dunnit. This is the irony ...
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Hum, loquat--really? The cartel owns the dictionary? Because it supports the meaning of a word which doesn’t seem very accurate to me? I’m going with it’s dumbed down in order to meet the lowering standards of education. Don’t want things too hard to figure out, you know lest it cause those reading to feel maybe they aren’t as literate as they ought to be. I’d love to see what that word’s meaning was in one of those big old desk dictionaries at the library from back 70 or so years ago. And my sweetie is as enamored of squirrels as you seem to be. They along with the rats get in ...
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Well, when the cartel controls dictionary definitions as well, you really can't catch a single break, can ya? So ok, let's broaden this out just a little with another example of irony. If you visited that site I linked in for you above, you'll see my avatar there is the actual fruit - loquat, that is. There's a good reason for that. We grow it here in London, even tho it requires a Mediterranean-type climate, and it happens to be one of my favorite fruits.  I wanted to use that same avatar on this forum, but couldn't work out how. So I ended up with ...
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Of course, loquat, I knew you were pretending to agree with me, I thought mostly to be cute, but with undertones of being able to shortening your response. I was just getting a grasp on what you consider irony. To me irony is that you, being so eagle eyed to the cancer ’scam’ in the pharmaceutical cartel, are so ironically blind and supporting of any other of their scams. I would not find you considering yourself so caring while I do not, but yet you agreeing with me, to be terribly ironic. I’d more call that intentional manipulation. But apparently the ’dictionary’ says that is ...
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Let me put it this way. If you were to accuse me again of being a witch hunter/burner etc. in a past life (leaving aside the fact that I don't share your belief in reincarnation), I would not waste my time denying it, coz to you that just proves that I was indeed a witch hunter in a past life, right? Otherwise why deny it? Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Heads you win, tales I lose, etc etc. [Ironically, that reminds me of the test they used in the good ol' days to identify them. If they sank & drowned, they were innocent of the charge of witchcraft, but of co ...
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Ok, loquat--I’ve applied my big beautiful brain to that Irony thing--you’re saying that you’re agreeing with me accusing you of not caring as a form of irony? Because your ’caring’ should be so obvious or? It’s pretty vague. Your writing’s clever, no doubt, but here, you might be expecting mind reading, not word reading, eh? Which I’m not very good at, yet. (it’s a meta skill we all possess--if we turn it on) And yeah, the USA organization, Pharmaceutical division, although you might be on loan from the religious spin control department. The ’elites’ owned them all, and share resources.
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Ya mean the Organisations of American States? At least you make some good points this time that are worthy of a non-ironic response. To follow later. Irony? Saying the opposite of what you really mean or intend. I do that quite a lot with you, coz anything else requires a lot more effort that I can’t justify under the circumstances. It’s subversive, and by agreeing with the bulk of your ludicrous allegations against me, their absurdity is thrown in sharp relief, hypocrisy notwithstanding.   [End]
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Well, loquat. I don’t think you don’t care, especially if it’s one of your own suffering. I just think your probable (benefit of a doubt in action) cartel owned agenda to keep people from those devices and methods is more important ---pays the bills, most likely. So it’s more---I gotta take care of me and mine--too bad you. And really, why do you need ’proof’ like one ’proven’ sufferer healed. Sheesh, it’s soooo easy, cheap, and very likely to help, that you could make those friends of yours a couple of your so idiotically required ’proven’ cases, eh? If it doesn’t help, how has it ...
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A bit harsh, but I’ll accept the criticism as fair comment.   [End]
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White knight or shill? Curezone hypocrisy prize winner!!!! hy·poc·ri·sy həˈpäkrəsē/ noun noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.   [End]
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Whereas I’m on this forum coz I like to see ppl suffer, right? Don’t suppose your dble masters ever covered Irony 101, did it? As for the zapper, I’m not ruling it out altogether and forever. Just for the time being, and specifically for MS, simply coz the evidence so far is inconclusive. If a single confirmed MS sufferer came on this or the Rife forum and told me they were cured by a zapper, I would reconsider. But you needn’t worry yourself over such minor subtleties as evidence. You have your OAS to provide you all you need. Good luck w. that.   [End]
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I’m just doing my job, although I desperately hate reading about and seeing people dying agonizing miserable deaths like from cancer or diabetes stuff, for no reason but pharmaceutical greed. So Thanks for your (non) support anyway. My boss, the overarching sentience, really hates her people to suffer so---she’s had to let way too much of it go on these last 250,000 years. She finally can do something about it though, and I’m just a small part of what she’s doing in line with that. If you’re as smart as you believe yourself to be, you might wanna consider reversing your stance on zappe ...
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Very commendable and altruistic of you, but of course a complete waste of time. I have already brainwashed them all into following my heinous diktats. My sheeple hear my voice, and they obey only me. They will all die ’orrible, painfull deaths coz they love me, and will do anything for their master. You have no chance, but by all means continue the good work. You have my full [lack of] support.   [End]
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well, if lightening works--it’s because it’s blasted the heck out the parasites. I doubt any parasite could survive that voltage when it’s enough to kill us too. And frequencies--I’m guessing most every frequency is covered by a lightening bolt. Luckily you can get all that benefit from a not at all painful zapper.   [End]
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Thx HotelP - some useful tips there that I'll be sure to pass on. This reply from a Rife forum member named Karl might be of interest to some: I read your post in Curezone and it is a tragic situation for that family. I have a brother in-law who has foot drop and several lesions on the brain. I have been trying to help him for over a year now with no improvement in his situation and he says it is becoming more difficult to walk around and the fatigue seems to be getting worse. I have a Bioresonance scanner (8D-LRIS) and found his Thymus is inactive which explains wh ...
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My my, loquat1. I’m NOT worried about what you believe at all. More I worry about people who need help, the real people being misdirected by your ’because I say so’ attitude. It’s part of the programming to keep us under control, as I’m quite sure you already know. I’m just giving them an alternative that maybe can break thru that programming that they can hear. Unlike you, I care people are dying from such blatant misdirection. And dying horribly pain- filled deaths. I have to believe I can help, at least a little, them make the choice to live.   [End]
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Yeah, I musta swallowed the blue pill.   [End]
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Boy, you sure get yourself worked up over what I think about your idol. Why does it bother you so much, especially when I’ve already said I could care less what you believe about her? You believe she’s the last word in medicine? That’s fine by me. Just don’t expect my company on that journey to quackdom. If she’s the real deal, she doesn’t need you to defend her, and if she’s a fraud......well, work that one out for yourself Einstein. Your argument might have had some merit if the ’cartel’ was responsible for 100% of www content, but I’ll wager you’re about the only person on the planet ...
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Yes lightening has been reported helping MS...if they live to tell about it. And I tried magnets to help heal brain lesions. By Dr. William Philpott. He also has a book called ”Brain Allergies” you may be interested in. He was the first Doctor to tell me I had MS, right off the bat...the others took years to give me a diagnosis. Since you shared your thoughts on food allergies, I thought I would share my theory on why I came down with MS. I had been on the original aktins diet for a whole year, which is meat, fats and very little veggies. I had the best blood work up ever due to th ...
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There are several accounts of people with severe MS being cured when hit by lightening or electrocuted. Not saying they should stand out in a thunderstorm but it does suggest that electrical stimulation has some value. Even Edgar Cayce suggested electric stimulus. Bee venom has also been used to some success. My strange opinion is that it is a yet un-diagnosed food allergy for certain people with that genetic disposition. I think this explains why the symptoms tend to come and go in MS patients. This is not an allergy like most people think. This is a genetic inability to proce ...
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You can easily be driven round the corner trying to come up with all the possible triggers, and yeah, that includes the dreaded jab. Not a great fan of them - another tool used by the state to subjugate the masses.   [End]
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I accept the possibility of a genetic link, but still do not think that environmental contributions should be completely excluded. On of the suggested links is the inclusion of adjuvants such as squalene in vaccines. There is some variation from batch to batch and even dose to dose within a batch. As MS can take many years to become recognized, it is possible that receiving a vaccination many years ago could have been the innoculous that started the issue. It also could have been an illness common to the family members that occurred many years ago. As Mulder claims, the answer is ...
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No, you’d never believe Dr. Clark’s work. It is patently off the ’approved’ reading list. In fact, it’s probably on the ’burn before reading’ list. The ’elites’ version of reality suits you fine. You only have to think a bitty bit about anything of import, like health, mental health, media propaganda, spirituality, history, even who’s behind all this. No body, of course. See, how easy was that? Somehow though, the medical/pharmaceutical cartel woke you up a bit. Shhh Shhh. There, There. Here’s your binkie. Not to worry. You’re nice and safe. Back to sleep. Shh Shhh.   [End]
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Luckily, not clever, just determined to survive. And good at making do with what’s available---blood, flesh and a place to lay eggs, which could be one and the same.   [End]
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Yeah, I’m so gullible in that respect, which is why I fell for Hulda’s charms in the first place. Oh wait........I confused myself with you for a moment just then. Well, it seems the sun does indeed shine in the most unexpected places. Just beware the potential carcinogenic consequences that normally accompany such a spectacle. Ouch.   [End]
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Those pesky parasites get everywhere, even when they’re not an indigenous life form. Damn clever critters, those parasites.   [End]
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I am not surprised. Toxins are killing us all by themselves. I wonder why they don’t hurt the parasites? Maybe the shorter life span. And if you want to wait on detoxing to kill parasites, the wait will be long indeed. Parasites were eating us alive even before all this toxicity. They just stayed better in the digestive tract where they could be killed. But they don’t go away. Toxins only make them go gang busters. If they’re already out in your body and flourishing, detoxing won’t help. They may just be slower in reproducing.   [End]
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Drats. Rumbled again. No flies on you then.   [End]
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loquat1,I recognize the stalling technique, but believe the super hackers are gone, so you can quit. :) I posted my observations about human sexuality last nite. They did manage to disconnect me from my router somehow, but it wasn’t hard to fix. And I honestly don’t know how you couldn’t love me, I’m so completely adorable. *lol*   [End]
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And, loquat1, of course you believe everything you read if it’s the official approved ’box’ version, of course. The ’elites’, in their efforts to totally discredit her would have NEVER stooped to coercing the various involved universities or wherever to alter her info--oh no, never them, they’re only at risk of losing billions of dollars should her work and its supporting education become known. The pharmaceutical cartel is known world-wide for it generosity and benevolence. Oh, and let’s not forget honesty. And I really believe her body needs to be tested for cadmium toxicity--which ju ...
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Surprisingly, yes. Analyse that, Ms Dble Masters. But I was referring to your unshakeable belief that I am your worst enemy rather than any attempt to persuade you that you are seriously misguided in your worldview. I have long since abandoned that cause. Mmmeeeoooowwww.   [End]
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On a more positive note, you might actually be onto something there, just for a change. I’ve made some enquiries, and apparently their dad worked in a childrens’ toy factory (Hornby, as it happens). Only God knows what chemicals were used in the manufacturing process, but I would have thought the chances that solvents were involved must be pretty high. He was also in the habit of bringing some toys home for his kids to play with, no doubt hot off the production line. If they were very young at the time, I would surmise some of those toys would have gone straight into their mouths, coz t ...
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Oh please, don’t,.......stop.....don’t......stop. ........Don’t stop. I don’t know if I can take any more flattery from you. My cheeks have turned bright red from false modesty. And as for my face.......... And I love you too.   [End]
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Sour grapes? Very healthy, and rich in resveratrol, flavonoids, etc., don’t ya know. Keep smiling/laughing. It’s the best medicine.   [End]
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Got it in one. How do you do it? Amazing. As for your friend, her PhD is in crayfish physiology, and her Naturopathy ’qualification’ is straight out of a diploma mill. So ok, kudos for having a PhD in anything, but relevance to the medical field is at least moot. For every supporter you can cite, I can respond with at least one detractor. The following are typical, and the www is awash with them: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/27/requiem-for-a-quack-part-ii/ http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark.htm and http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/victims/ponza ...
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It probably would have eventually gotten to you and zappers as well if the stink of it all hadn’t used up so much energy. Count your blessings. There are some protocols on curezone that did not work for me and EFT was one of them. However, due to the many testimonials, I did share the info with some people to whom I thought may be open to the idea. I guess I trust the testimonials on curezone because I have been here so long and feel like I trust many of it’s people, even if I have not ever chatted with them before. When you read people’s health histories that have been recorded, yea ...
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I guess that I must have just missed that episode as far as the person or persons that you are speaking of. While I do promote the products that I make and I barely make a living from it, I am promoting zappers in general because they do work. They are not perfected and more work is needed but an open minded person could look and see the difference. I am a strong believer in especially nutrition and also alternatives for general health. I have even found that EFT can have its benefits but do not go to the extremes that others do. I know that people in the US are far more nutrition ...
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I really wasn’t wanting to get into the ”who” of it all as much as I was wondering what label would you put on such a person. Mainly because I call that person a quack, but in a bad way. Like your definition, they do offer something that prevents the medical profession from obtaining extra money from people in need...but they also draw people away from other alternative solutions that work as well. They just do not think they work, so they demonize it because it’s not their way of healing. I sometimes wonder if the medical side of their brain takes over their alternative side. It’s one th ...
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And I will continue to have my ’delusions’ about you. At least they depict you as powerful, possibly dangerous and overflowing with cunning strength--way better than depicting you as being a short squatty fellow with glasses and living in your mother’s basement, who’s more scared of the rats than they are of him. :)   [End]
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Spoken like a true non-degree holder. They always say that. Sour grapes and stuff. I have all the memories of humanity----that’s every person ever been alive, is alive now or will be alive potentially in the human race. So, really--- you have lots of data?? I’d say you should try it but we both sadly know you missed that boat. I’m glad you’ve found a way to believe you don’t know what you lost. And, yeah, I can be funny--sometimes quite unintentionally so, depending on who’s around. My ex’s new wife finds me quite hilarious--usually at my expense, of course. But her spirit o ...
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It is your right to think that she was a quack, but anyone who bothered to read thoroughly, she is very correct in much of what she wrote. And, you are right, she does have some very fervent supporters, especially survivors who had been sent home to die by traditional medication. As for me, I used her zapper before I even knew of her books. Because of her zapper and some improvements to it, at 65, I am healthier than many in their 40’s and am actually far healthier than I was 16 years ago. I am, literally, one of the few on the CureZone who is not racked by health issues. Other t ...
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Who would that be? And what forums were they demonizing?   [End]
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As far as MD’s are concerned, you’re pushing on an open door mate. And I doubt there is a single oncologist who isn’t a quack. When you have a healthcare system driven by insurance, quackery is practically a guaranteed result. We have salaried GP’s over here, so we are slightly better served in that respect. As for H Clark, I know she has her supporters. I’m not one of them. My research to date places her firmly in quack camp. If further research proves me wrong, I’ll stand corrected, and I’ll be more than happy to revise my opinion of her. On a more general point, the altmed commun ...
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Thankfully, you don’t need a phud to use a search engine. Knowledge is power, and I have domegemegrottebytes of it at my finger tips. You should try it sometime. Might broaden your horizons.   [End]
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Yes, more than happy to perpetuate your delusions about me. Long may they continue. They are so thoroughly entertaining. You have no idea how funny you are, do you?   [End]
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So what name do we give to medical people who also specialize in natural health that come through curezone and demonize individual forums as ”junk” or ”dangerous”, and then run off to make websites against curezone forums/owners?   [End]
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I agree with that, parazapper! We need a bunch more ’quacks’ (if so) like Dr. Clark. She was very courageous in her fight against the pharmaceutical cartel. Had she and I ever met, I’m guessing we’d have hit it off well, unless I brought up the spirit realm stuff. Being a ’scientist’, her world view would probably have been too controlled by the ’elites’ version. :( Although if you believe the huge medical scam, how hard is it to realized there are probably a LOT more scams afoot with that bunch.   [End]
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A quack is anyone who offers anything that prevents the medical profession from obtaining extra money from people in need. There are many M.D.’s accused and even convicted of mal-practice but scanning through the ”so-called quack watch sites”, you will never see them mentioned. Fairly solid proof that those sites are the real quacks. In fact, at least one of those sites is run by a person who had their license to practice medicine revoked. What more needs to be said? For anyone who thinks that Hulda Clark was a quack, http://hulda-clark-quack.com/ If she was a quack, then there ne ...
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Huh... know the feeling--Nothing I say is ever gonna convince you. And pleasing me makes you happy??--well, there 50 shades of gray, criminal minds episode material.   [End]
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It’s direct answers that give the access, I’m pretty sure--probably some IP info in the code. And I’m not ’back’, I never left. I’m here every day. The benefits of being mostly retired. Anyway, Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D.,N.D. If I recall, her ’quack-qualifying’ Ph.D is in biophysics, and her masters is in Natropathy. And yours are in what, again? Advanced manipulation and human and computer programming?? You’ve never said, strangely enough. After getting my masters, I can only marvel at what it takes to get a Ph.D. An 85 page master thesis was quite enough. This is what she ...
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