No problem I just dont see the need to turn this forum into a man bashing event is all! My point about the family is that it is all inclusive as we should be, the abortion issue is much larger in scope then is portrayed here and is a subject of it own ! I hope we can stay on the the issue at hand without turning this into a discussion that devides instead of one that merges intellectual concepts! To dismiss mens input makes us adversarial and does not promote "the cause" whatever that may be!