Hello Wiz , I'll have to read up more on Abe, but i'll stick to my guns on it until i see something different, I had researched about Abe , but admittingly it has been well over 30 years ago and i'm sure i have forgotten a lot. I do take issue with you on when life begins. Read Jeremiah 1:5. God told him he knew him before and while being formed in his mothers womb. He must have been a person for God to know him. It is mans convenience to murder and then justify it later. That is my biggest sore point with all these so called peace activists. They won't go to war against tyrants who kill thousands and thousands of innocent people, but they look the other way when it comes to the killing of innocent babies.If they protested abortion as hard as they protest war then i would have respect for them and wouldn't give them a hard time. It is not man who decides when life begins...only God. They claim a woman has the right to her body...but she does not have the right to murder. God will ultimately judge us all.
Have a nice day.