just wanted to clarify

since i di dnto clarify what my actual ecperience was.

i ahd a extrmemly wonderful experinece..
bu tthe very fact that i had no knowledge of what my physical body was doing..
added grave implications to teh matter.


i still believe that the shamans (like as even my indian ancesters) utised and still do many strong natural manes to achieve such states..
they NEVER do it randomly for thrill seeking
and generally for a specific reason.. eitehr as a group or a very sleect few.. and rarely do it oohter wis ein their lives as a routine..
they see it as a veyr sacred andholy thing.

I only tried it quite awhile back, because me children were curious about it / es p sinc eit is legal... and 2 of them are adults.
and i felt inlightof my childhood/that i coudl better give them an understand ing

both my sons then trie dit after me (again tehya re adults)
and both ahd great experiences..
but neither of them feel the need to pursue it/ sicen they ahve oteh r thign sin their lives that fulfil them..
ie/ they stongly believ ein zen and now and universal oneness
and using slef an d natural enrgy to be purely unified.

i stillthink the shamans are the ones tha t shoudl remain
withe the power and dignity o fhtis palnt..
yes of cours e you meet spirit s of teh plant..
bu t youcan do that naturally with any tree or rock or literally anything jstu fine.. if you trin your sel fto b eone with allthigns..
i look at it as a car youcan use to get soemwhere...
vs just beign tehre in spirit.. why use a tool?
when with proper time and right midn youcan get much fatehr
by astral means on yoru own anyhow.

oh well 8) those ar emy opinions on the subject 8)