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Matty < mattyoshea@y...> wrote:



I had to laugh at your remark about drs. being wrong "sometimes".
It seems to me allopaths are wrong more times than not. That's cause they seem to know next to nothing about nutrition and
taking care of the whole person as opposed to just the pain induced symptoms.


I too had an ultrasound, braium x rays(which left me unable to walk and work do to severe pain).
Four gastroentenologists later (yes I fired them all), I was still being told that my "mildly contracted"
gallbladder was "normal".


After several months of continuous gb pain, I was urged to do a Liver Flush by some knowedable folks on this list.


Three flushes, and some 500+ stones (some big as my thumb nail)

I realize how wrong my drs. have been.


By listening to my body, eating better and simple solutions that have been around for so many years, I am better able to care
for myslef in my own hands, than with a whole team of western md's.


Matty


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usanalife@j... wrote:




3 weeks ago I went to the emergency with a major attack. I had been
having attacks almost weekly since my baby was born June 19th. I was
about to due my 3rd or 4th flush. I didn't start the flushing until
about the end of August.


This was the 3rd major attack that sent me to the ER in 5 years the last one was 18months ago but when I learned of these flushes I found out I was pregnant and told not to do them while pregnant because it dumps the toxins into the bloodstream which the baby lives off of.


Anyway. This attack was 14hrs and not going away. All the blood test showed normal and the ultrasound showed stones. I decided to go for the surgery after praying about it and putting it off for the 3rd time.


After they got in there they found it was a mess. It was swollen and diseased and full of liquid. They knew I didn't want to have the open surgery so they were doing all they could to get it out without having to do that. I found out that they had to put a bag inside of me around the gallbladder and squish it up and break up the stones to get it out.

The DR said he's never seen such a bad gallbladder in someone my age. I'm only 32 but he said it should have not been that bad for my age.


I was raised by a chiropractor health nut so it's possible that it's
inherited since my Father ended up having his removed.


If I would have been able to start the flush 18 months ago and keep at it there is a good chance I could have prevented surgery but it just got to bad. My first major attack was 5 years ago and it didn't get really bad until after my baby was born in June this year. Near the end of my pregnancy my chiropractor was picking up that my liver wasn't functioning right and showing toxic, so I know that it was mainly my liver that was causing problems.


I'm still recovering from the Laproscopic surgery but I feel that in my case it was probably needed. They had me so drugged up for those 14 hrs and it still didn't get rid of the pain, until they took it out.


Any suggestions for what to do now that it's gone would be
appreciated.

Do I take the EFA'a and how much. Do I need any special products. The
surgeon said I can eat what ever I want but I don't believe him.
Do I still do the flushes now for the liver?


I don't know how long it takes for the stitches inside to heal so I
didn't want to do anything until the pain went away. I still can't
laugh or cry without pain from my side.


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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, MSIMS0960@m... wrote:



I did my 4th flush on monday as well and the result was
disappointing. I never got more than 30 stones out during the
previous flushes, but this time only bile and maybe 3 stones. I
agree with Ken's answer.

I know I have plenty more stones in my liver, but my small intestine is not at its best, so the liver will not release enough toxins.

I will do a colonic in 2 weeks and then try another cleanse in about a month.


Did you follow all the instructions including the parasite cleanse?


I'm not doing that and the flushes can make me quite ill,
but I'm sensitive to a lot of herbs so it's not easy for me to take them.

Good luck


Anette

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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, "Gina " wrote:

I have gallstones. I did my first cleanse last weekend and some stones came out, however, I am still feeling the pain in my
shoulders, back, and my right side. I don't know if I made the wrong decision on postponing the surgery (next month). I hope the cleansing will get rid of the pains.

Does anyone know how many cleanses it will take?

Can you do it every week?


Gina

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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, jrobb4148@h... wrote:


Hi Gina,

I was scheduled for surgery last August when I came across this group. I had pain in the gallbladder area and the right
shoulder blade was really hurting.



I passed about 200 stones on the first flush and felt a lot better, the shoulder pain was gone. I waited 2 weeks for the 2nd flush and then 3 weeks before the 3rd flush.



I still passed 100 stones so I have a ways to go. I plan to do one flush a month until I do not get anymore stones.


Meanwhile I am taking Gold Coin Grass, Coptis, and Curcuma to soften the stones and increase bile flow to dislodge any stones
that are stuck.



You can find more information at (www.sensiblehealth.com). Pain has subsided and I have generally felt very good the last 3 months.


There have been a few times during this time that heavy feelings in my gallbladder area and gnawing aches have made me wonder
whether I did the right thing in cancelling the surgery. I am continuing on this path as it makes the most long term sense.



Diet change made a big difference too.

Good luck,
Jerome


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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, "India Thornton" wrote:


Hello all,

I went to a reflexologist who told me I needed to do a cleanse to cleanse my whole system.

She recommended the lemon juice olive oil and apple juice for 3 days which I did for 3 days and I felt great the first couple of days.


I got out many gall stones but then I started to feel very bad. my stomach felt full and tight and I could not eat anything without feeling worse.

So I decided i needed to do the cleanse another couple of days and I did and got out very large gall stones and more small ones.

And again for a few hours I felt great and then I started feeling bad again.

my stomach feels tight and full and my back hurts in between my shoulder blades.


What can I do? I do not want to have surgery!

Help,
India

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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, "J. Woody Dvorak"
wrote:


I attempted a Gallbladder Flush procedure last weekend, but apparently no Gallstones came out.


I've had a sonogram performed, and was told my gallbladder was chock full of stones; surgery was recommended, of course, as the problem has been sporadically symptomatic.


I drank gallons of apple cider all last week, didn't eat after lunch on Saturday, drank Epsom Salts solution Saturday evening, then the olive oil & lemon juice mix before bed, then more Epsom Salts Sunday morning...


basically seemed to accomplish nothing but a horrendous case of diarrhea, and a very sore anus. I mean my butt was BURNING,
perhaps irritated by the salts. but, sadly, no evidence of Gallstones in the toilet all day. I was extremely disappointed,
and miserable.


can anyone offer any explanation why this procedure didn't seem to work for me? I thought, from reading all the testimonials

and talking with people I know who've done it, that it was a "for sure" thing.

is it common for the procedure not to work, despite all the claims to the contrary?


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Attack after Surgery:


From: "auntie20000"


Greetings,


I just had my gallbladder removed two weeks ago after having endured the worst two days of my life attack...had done two gallbladder cleanses to no avail and even did an anti -candida and anti parasite programs.....


Well the reason I'm searching the web tonight is that I had an agonizing gallbladderless attack last night.


Screaming in pain: (I'm not sure how long it lasted but )both this and the genuine gallbladder attack were brought on by taking an evening Calcium magnesium supplement that relaxed the ducts: although I'm sure that I can give my surgeon some credit for this last attack as he is now planning to do a ERCP: a special procedure for possible stone removal: isn't that a

hoot......


Also my Homeopath noted ecoli on interdermal testing (using a special metal sensor that is applied to the skin to read meridians) and is treating me for this although he strongly recommended that the gallbladder be removed...


thanks for listening and I hope this helps.

Marian R.
"auntie20000"

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Polyps are gone!

"Lisa Green" wrote:



YEAH!!!! I just wanted to drop a line to tell all of you, from my first hand experience, Dr. Clark DOES know what she's doing. If you are a skeptic and you get very sick, try it and you won't be sorry.

I wasn't a number one skeptic but I had my doubts.

Back in October, I had an ultrasound that revealed no gallstones in my gallbladder, but instead several small polyps. Dr. Clark believes that cysts(polyps) are from a parasite, so I bought some of her parasite herbs and zapper and started in on them right away.

I have done the flush 3 times, but after my first flush I noticed a tremendous difference.

I could eat anything I wanted and not get sick and have the usual gallbladder attack symptoms.


I had a Hidascan last Thursday to see if my gallbladder was even working.

I had no doubt that it was, but the doctors wanted to run this test and I had to have it done to follow up on their advice due to a possible new medical insurance policy.

I got the results today from the doc.!!!!:


The nurse called and said that the gallbladder was in perfect working order and nothing further needed to be done.

I said,"But what about the polyps, are they still there?"

She acted like she didn't know what I was talking about.

She was only reading the doctors notes and she quoted him as saying:
"No adhesion or lesions, no thickening of the wall, extremely clean gallbladder."

Suffice it to say, she said the doc has given me a clean bill of health.

YES!!!!!!!


So, all I have to say for you people that argue this stuff...be careful...you may have to do it some day to save your life!



Lisa




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3 cm stone!



"Jens Ranefjord" wrote:



I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones.
The largest was 3cm pretty much all around.

I have these 3 on picture.

I will show them to you when I get the photos.

The stones are right now at the local hospital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing
showed up on ultasound two weeks ago).

Long live the cleanses.

PS. I get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS.


take care!


Jens
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--- In gallstones@egroups.com,
"Jens Ranefjord" wrote:



This time I had one day of applejuice fasting.
Next day, a couple of glasses of sea-salt mixed with Sugar in water.

One in the morning, one in te afternoon. Otherwise just water. No
food or drink 6h before frush. I do the flushes as Julia Chang
recommends. No magnesium sulphates, and olivoil-grape 4 times with 15 min inbetween.

I take 0.075dl oliv and 0.5dl grape each time.

I have hade some problems getting out theses big ones, but I did it and there are probobly even more... Another thing is .. I
took flagyl (a medicin for bacteria overgrowth) a week before, it really took away some bodystress.


During the cleans its very importand to relax. On the first glass of flush I lay on the right side, next on my back,
next on my left side and then fall asleep on my stomach.


thats pretty much it...


take care

Maceo

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--- In gallstones@egroups.com,
Kalexan328@a... wrote:



For 2 /12 years I have used the "flush + health" approach to managing my gallbladder. I have sought to identify what is inside of the "greenies" that come out without success. I have come to a
number of conclusions:



1) The "greenies" are most likely not gallstones... but may be liver
stones.


2) Gallstones may be passing, most likely on a first or second flush
and not picked up by the flushee. These stones would be most
likely "brownish" in color like those found in Dale's photo of his
flushed stones.


3) Many of those I know have received tremendous benefit from the
flush. Two individuals I gave the flush recipe to were scheduled for operations, but flushed instead. Now almost two yaers later neither of them have had ANY symptoms of a gb problem. Unfortunately, they even eat whatever they want!


4) The rest of us have recieved significant benefit from the flush.
I can go 3-7 months without having any symptoms. Currently it has
baeen 2 1/2 months since my last flush and I have felt the best
ever! Even shrimp cannot get my gb to act up!


5) The focus on "large" stones is incorrect. It is the small stones
that CAN pass into the ducts that cause the majority of attacks. The large stones are often "silent." When one does a flush, huge amounts of green bile (forming greenies) is expelled from the liver and gb.

The extra push of bile expells sludge and many calcium chrystals that form the neucleus of the "stone." This is most likely why we find great relief after a flush. The building blocks for making the small stones are expelled.


6) I believe that many small "stones" are expelled in the flush
process, especially the first and second flush. The flush must
strain their stools to find the little black and brown "stones."
These are what should be analysed by a lab.


Conclusion: The flush MUST benefit the flushee in either expelling "stones" or sludge or calcium chrystals. The results are proof of its effectiveness. Not all with gain permanent relief, not all will gain months of relief, but all should try the flush as it is a simple approach to health and keeping one's gb.


ken

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