Yeah, I know about that circle :-(. Some people have good results with her tinctures and some don't. If Anne's trick for evaporating the alcohol doesn't work, you could always try western liver herbs. I really like my Livatone Plus and I still on occasion use another one called Liver Support by UK nutrtionist Xandria Williams. I find I get more rapid results from my Livatone Plus though. Oh-- by the way, I failed to mention a few of the things you recomemnded in your earlier post. Sorry- they were ALL god ideas. I think I shall increase my enemas while doing all this detoxing. I prefer to use only water though, not too sure about the coffee with my bowel inflammation issues :-).