Re: Cancer viruses and dealing with cancer

Hveragerthi
no doubt this thread will be moved into the debate forum or worse still into the personal conflicts forum. That was not my intention.

In answer to.....................

"Where do you think the energy from digestion comes from? That's right, from the nutrients we derived from food. Eliminating that source of energy puts MORE stress on the body, and even the body knows this. What happens when we go in to states of starvation? The body slows its metabolism down to conserve as much energy as it can, then it increases its fats stores when food does become available again to prepare for future starvation periods since the body knows it needs that food as an energy source".

A.
You are quite right: the bodies energy is derived from food, and therefore from the bodies own food reserves whilst in the fasting state.
Like many people you are confusing the term "starvation" with "fasting" which are diametrically opposite physiological processes.
"Fasting is a scientific method of ridding the system of diseased tissue, and morbid matter, and is invariably accompanied by beneficial results. Starving is the deprivation of the tissues from nutriment which they require, and is invariably accompanied by disastrous consequences. The whole secret is this: fasting commences with the omission of the first meal and ends with the return of natural hunger, while starvation only begins with the return of natural hunger and terminates in death. Where the one ends the other begins. Whereas the latter process wastes the healthy tissues, emaciates the body, and depletes the vitality; the former process merely expels corrupt matter and useless fatty tissue, thereby elevating the energy, and eventually restoring the organism that just balance we term health."..................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch6.htm



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The only thing that consumes pathogens in the body is white blood cells that engulf pathogens and digest them. On the other hand you are overlooking an important fact, and that is that many pathogens have the ability to evade the immune system. They can do this by hiding in nerve tissue, in vacoules of other cells, by digging deep in to tissues and through secretion of substances needed to protect itself.


A. It is true: White blood cells do destroy pathogens, but they are not the only bodily process/processes which consumes/eliminates toxins/pathogens: the action of enzymes achieves the same in a process known as "Autolysis".........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch5.htm

All pathogens are consumed in this way by the self-determining wisdom of the body on a water-only-fast, whether they are hidden in nerve tissue or elsewhere.


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Any REAL proof of this claim because I think it is garbage. Many of what we call pathogens are actually a normal part of the body. Some can even serve beneficial functions. And again your claim here contradicts your previous claim that Water Fasting creates a "sterile" environment.

A.
Again I refer to this garbage which has been demonstrated from experience to be true.............
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch5.htm

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch6.htm


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"Again you are showing your ignorance of how the body works. The body DOES NOT store vitamin C. Furthermore the amount of vitamin C utilized by the body is dependent on various factors such as stress levels. When the body is put under more stress, such as fasting, the requirement for vitamin C goes up. This is why people can still be vitamin C deficient even if they are taking foods or supplements with vitamin C. If they are failing to INTAKE sufficient vitamin C to meet the demands of the adrenals alone for that matter then they can become deficient despite their intake. There is no fat stores, or liver stores, etc. of vitamin C and we do not synthesize vitamin C as some animals do. So bottom line is that the fasting can and will deplete vitamin C, which also contributes to immune suppression".

A.
Fasting is NOT stressful on the body: far from it. It is a period of "physiological rest" and does not cause "deficiency disease. Thousands upon thousands of people (including myself) have undergone protracted fasts of 30 days or more on water-only and with distinct benefit, with NO RESULTING DEFICIENCIES OF ANY KIND.
Again I suggest you read this quite thoroughly..........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch18.htm



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"And again instead of making unsubstantiated statements, especially when several of them have already been proven FALSE, why don't you provide solid proof of these claims. It would save me a lot of time over addressing every one of your UNSUBSTANTIATED claims. As I pointed out the immune system is a lot more complicated than you are making it out to be. Yes antibodies and white blood cells can deal with SOME pathogens, but not all. And they require other aspects of the immune system to be formed and to function. These other aspects of the immune system include the adrenals, thymus, lymphatic system, bone marrow, cytokines, peroxides, etc. And what do you think fuels these systems? Water? Nope. But there are a lot of nutrients involved including many that are not stored in our tissues".

A.
Food does indeed fuel those systems........internal reserves of food.

Unsubstantiated claims?
Try these..........
http://drbenkim.com/fasting.html

http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/benefit.htm


or this one..........
http://www.alecburton.com/2009/12/fasting-rejuvenation/

note the scientific references at the end.

or these........
http://cinque.getwebspace.com/facts.html

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm



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So to say that cleansing toxins from the body and hypothetically boosting parts of the immune system with a Water Fast is ludicrous.

A.
Then you have a closed mind that is impervious to reasoning and the experience of thousands upon thousands of people who have recovered their health since the inception of Natural Hygiene dating back to the early 1800's.

Further; no more discussion is warranted if you are not open to reason and logic.

Chrisb1.


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