Many cancers have been directly linked to viral origins including the so-called hereditary cancers. The fact is that every oncogene (genes that cause cancer) discovered has been viral and no human oncogenes have been found. Yet there are still those who refuse to accept that cancer viruses exist even though they have been known for over 100 years. So here are some posts I made previously on cancer viruses that talk about some of the known human cancer viruses:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556083#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556080#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556056#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556071#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556072#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556077#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556060#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556066#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556068#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556089#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1556056#i
Again these are just some of the known human cancer viruses. The reason this is important to know is that unless the cause of the cancer is addressed the cancer will just come back. This is one of the reasons mainstream medicine routinely fails to cure cancer. They kill cells, both malignant and healthy, but fail to address the pathogens that cause most cancers. Since the pathogen that started the cancer is still present it can turn around and cause a secondary cancer even easier than the original cancer because the chemotherapy and radiation therapy have suppressed the immune system.
Even many alternatives fail to address cancer microbes, which again just allows the cancer to come back.
Cancer therapies should therefore always include full range antimicrobials such as chaparral and andographis, or ozone. In addition I aslo recommend addressing other aspects of cancer to attack it from numerous directions to make the development of a resistance more unlikely. These include glandular support, white blood cell activation, increasing SOD and other key enzymes, increasing cytokines, peroxide formation, hyaluronidase inhibition, angiogenesis inhibition, and blocking the lactic acid-glucose cycle among others.
"Viruses can help to cause some cancers. But this does not mean that these cancers can be caught like an infection.
Actually many of the cancer viruses have been shown to be contagious. HPV, HIV, hepatitis viruses, herpes viruses, leukemia/lymphoma viruses.........
But it is true that just the presence does not mean one will develop cancer. But this is easily explained. It is called immunity. Viral activity can be suppressed by a strong immune system. A couple of examples of proof of this is herpes simplex and the viruses associated with AIDS. Herpes does not pop up and take hold unless the immune system is sufficiently suppressed to allow the infection to take hold. The same applies to AIDS. Many of the pathogens that form the hallmark opportunistic of AIDS infect the vast majority of the population. Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia bacteria and cytomegalovirus for example, which are both estimated to infect 80% of the population. They do not cause symptoms though unless the immune system is first suppressed sufficiently through either human herpes virus 6-variant A or the use of immune suppressing drugs such as the AZT given to people testing HIV positive. This is why several cancers are routinely seen in full blown AIDS patients. These people were not born with the viruses, they caught them at some point in their life.
As far as their claim about HPV they are leaving out one other major point. There are NO common laboratory tests that can confirm the presence of a particular virus. Therefore they are relying on PAP smears to look for cervical dysplasia then FALSELY telling women that if they cervical dysplasia that this means they are infected with HPV. This is absolute BS!!! Cervical dysplasia merely means that there are abnormal cells present. This can happen for a number of reasons including other infections, B6 deficiencies, the use of birth control pills, smoking..........
Again there is no common test that can confirm the presence of a particular virus. This includes the commonly used antibody tests and polymerase chain reaction (PCR), also known as viral load. Both of the tests are fraught with accuracy issues and therefore cannot be used to confirm viral presence. The only test that they can do to prove the presence of a virus is under an electron microscope. But this is time consuming, very expensive and is like looking for a needle in the haystack. So it is used for research, not diagnostics.
Point is though that since they cannot confirm the presence of a virus then they cannot say the conversion of HPV to cancer is low. Especially considering how prevalent the cancers linked to HPV are such as cervical, breast, prostate and skin cancers.
I would not dispute the fact that viruses are contagious and have been demonstrated to be so with pandemics, but I feel we are missing the point here.
Firstly: any virus cannot take hold or have any effect within the body, if it is free from toxemia, and which provides the conditions for it to exist and thrive. So a toxemic-free body will not allow ANY pathogens to develop or subsist.......even with a weakened immune system.
And again I disagree. You are right that SOME viruses cannot take hold without a suppression of the immune system. But there are some viruses that can simply wipe out the immune system such as human herpes virus type 6 variant A, which destroys CD4, T-killer and B cells. So it can suppress the immune system.
After 8 to 10 days of water-only fasting, the entire digestive tract becomes sterile,
If it was sterile then we would be in big trouble since the good bacteria in our intestines produce 80% of the body's serotonin, is responsible for the vast majority of the body's immune system, produce B vitamins and vitamin K for the body, etc. Therefore according to your own statement a water fast would be very detrimental to the body.
and where further fasting of up to 30 to 40 days will free the body of its toxic load entirely; as a consequence, viruses and other potential carcinogenic agencies/pathogens can no longer reside within the body because they have been eliminated, or expired in a metabolic environment that does not support them.
First of all according to your statement above the water fast would "sterilize" the intestines, which as I pointed out would lead to severe immune suppression. Furthermore there are a lot of other factors involved in immunity that are not affected by "toxins". For example we need vitamin C to maintain the adrenals, thymus and to activate white blood cells. If you are doing a water fast then you are not getting the vitamin C to support the immune system, and again would lead to immune suppression. Stress also affects immunity through cortisol release, which atrophies the thymus gland. But again this has NOTHING to do with toxins in the body.
Luckily the body is designed to maintain its immunity and to suppress pathogens through a number of mechanisms, which is why despite the overwhelming presence of pathogens we do not see more widespread disease. But immunity is still a LOT more complicated than simply "detoxing".
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW LITTLE OF THE WATER-FAST AND HOW THIS AFFECTS THE BODY.
If you want to get in to a pissing match I can point out how little you understand how the body works.
WATER-ONLY FASTING STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. IT ALLOWS THE BODILY ENERGIES NORMALLY RESERVED FOR DIGESTION (THE MOST TAXING & CONSUMING FOR THE BODY) IN CLEANSING AND HEALING.
Where do you think the energy from digestion comes from? That's right, from the nutrients we derived from food. Eliminating that source of energy puts MORE stress on the body, and even the body knows this. What happens when we go in to states of starvation? The body slows its metabolism down to conserve as much energy as it can, then it increases its fats stores when food does become available again to prepare for future starvation periods since the body knows it needs that food as an energy source.
VIRUSES OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING ANY PATHOGENS, ARE CONSUMED AS FUEL, (ALONG WITH OTHER TOXINS)
The only thing that consumes pathogens in the body is white blood cells that engulf pathogens and digest them. On the other hand you are overlooking an important fact, and that is that many pathogens have the ability to evade the immune system. They can do this by hiding in nerve tissue, in vacoules of other cells, by digging deep in to tissues and through secretion of substances needed to protect itself.
WHERE THE LEAST ESSENTIAL TISSUES & ORGANISMS ARE CONSUMED FIRST IN AN ECONOMICAL ENDEAVOR BY THE BODY IN PRESERVING LIFE TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT.
Any REAL proof of this claim because I think it is garbage. Many of what we call pathogens are actually a normal part of the body. Some can even serve beneficial functions. And again your claim here contradicts your previous claim that water fasting creates a "sterile" environment.
AGAIN, I'M AFRAID YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE PROCESS OF WATER-ONLY FASTING HAS BEEN REVEALED.
I would say more your ignorance of what you are talking about since that was YOUR wording, not mine. You claimed it created a "sterile" environment, which means free of ALL microorganisms. So don't get on my case just because you are using definitions loosely to back an unsubstantiated claim.
THIS STERILITY INCLUDES ALL PATHOGENS AND HARMFUL BACTERIA DETERMINED BY THE BODY
Again I would like to see some REAL proof of this claim because I don't believe it for a second.
AND WHERE IT THEN LIVES FROM ITS OWN FOOD RESERVES WITHOUT CAUSING DEFICIENCIES OF ANY KIND...........
ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THAT OF A DEFICIENCY OF VITAMIN C WITH A VITAMIN C DEFICIENT DIET, WHICH IN TURN CAUSES SCURVY. BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF VITAMIN C, A WATER-ONLY FAST WILL NOT PRODUCE THIS DEFICIENCY DISEASE, UNTIL AFTER THE POINT WHERE STARVATION HAS BEEN REACHED, AND WHERE THIS ONLY OCCURS AFTER ONES FOOD RESERVES HAVE BEEN DEPLETED:
Again you are showing your ignorance of how the body works. The body DOES NOT store vitamin C. Furthermore the amount of vitamin C utilized by the body is dependent on various factors such as stress levels. When the body is put under more stress, such as fasting, the requirement for vitamin C goes up. This is why people can still be vitamin C deficient even if they are taking foods or supplements with vitamin C. If they are failing to INTAKE sufficient vitamin C to meet the demands of the adrenals alone for that matter then they can become deficient despite their intake. There is no fat stores, or liver stores, etc. of vitamin C and we do not synthesize vitamin C as some animals do. So bottom line is that the fasting can and will deplete vitamin C, which also contributes to immune suppression.
AS i HAVE STATED ABOVE: THE BODY STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM ON A WATER-ONLY FAST BY UNDERGOING THE FOLLOWING AND FROM WHICH YOU SHOULD TAKE NOTE.............
And again instead of making unsubstantiated statements, especially when several of them have already been proven FALSE, why don't you provide solid proof of these claims. It would save me a lot of time over addressing every one of your UNSUBSTANTIATED claims. As I pointed out the immune system is a lot more complicated than you are making it out to be. Yes antibodies and white blood cells can deal with SOME pathogens, but not all. And they require other aspects of the immune system to be formed and to function. These other aspects of the immune system include the adrenals, thymus, lymphatic system, bone marrow, cytokines, peroxides, etc. And what do you think fuels these systems? Water? Nope. But there are a lot of nutrients involved including many that are not stored in our tissues.
PERHAPS YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY I HAVE BEEN FREE FORM ANY DISEASE (BOTH ACUTE AND CHRONIC) OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, WHILE THOSE AROUND ME HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF ONE OR ANOTHER OF EACH?
You know what? I know people who thrive on junk food and stay healthy. I know people who smoke and drink and rarely if ever get sick. And I have time and time again people who are sick that do everything they think is healthy such as raw or vegetarian diets. Genetics are part of the answer, but it goes so far beyond that. Again the immune system is not a singular thing, it is a WIDE SPECTRUM of different things. So to say that cleansing toxins from the body and hypothetically boosting parts of the immune system with a water fast is ludicrous.
"If you want to get in to a pissing match . . . "
If you want your posts to remain in the support forums I would suggest not getting into a pissing match. In this forum, those kind of matches and prolonged debate will soon find their way to the debate or personal conflict forums.
I agree wholeheartedly. Viruses can create conditions that lead to cancer but that does not make the viruses a direct cause of cancer. The same is true of genetics, which can make someone more predisposed to having cancer but do not necessarily lead to cancer.
As an analogy, you could cut yourself and have the wound become infected and ultimately end up getting gangrene. That does not lead to the conclusion that cuts cause gangrene. Similarly, you could treat your wound with something that has strong anti-viral properties and thus prevent gangrene, clear it up if it has occured and prevent it from spreading - the same as anti-virals can prevent and treat some cancers as well as help prevent their spread.
I find it rather amazing for someone to put forth a theory which is not accepted by the very large majority of people within and without mainstream medicine, namely that viruses are the primary cause of cancer and that cancer itself can be passed from one person to another like the common cold, and then call those who disagree "guru worshippers" and such.
None of us have all the answers here, but some of appear to have a hard time with answers that don't agree with their own.
I agree wholeheartedly. Viruses can create conditions that lead to cancer but that does not make the viruses a direct cause of cancer. The same is true of genetics, which can make someone more predisposed to having cancer but do not necessarily lead to cancer.
If you research the subject you will find that the viruses play a DIRECT role in the formation of cancer. The viruses insert their genetic material in to the cell altering its metabolism.
Certainly in some instances viruses can lead quickly to cancer, the same as is true of certain other carcinogens and high levels of exposure to radiation. Examples would include viruses which have been engineered to quickly create cancer in lab rodents for cancer studies.
In most instances however, the viruses that are associated with cancers create conditions that lead to cancer years later, as is also true with most toxins and radiation exposure. All of which create a prolonged inflammation that ultimately results in a cellular defense response that results in cancer when cancer does occur. Exposure to individual viruses, toxins and radiation do not lead to cancer the majority of the time and that would seem to eliminate them as direct causes of cancer - instead making them causative factors the same as genetics.
Thanks to the increase in toxic load and the weakening of our immunity, cancer by all causes continues to increase. Thus a preventive lifestyle which avoids and protects against toxins, viruses and radiation is the best way to protect against cancer.