“By coincidence, I also found out about the creation of the fasting for weight loss forum. It was initiated by user #33315, who seemed to always end up in conflict with Mike D who told people when they were doing things wrongly. She seemed to regard this as rudeness and name calling, though looking at Hopinso and Mike D's posts I can't find any evidence of that. Anyway she went to the webmaster, who made the other forum on 27th October 2004. Hopinso made this post on there several months later giving advice for weight loss fasting, and it got an R. Lol, just reading the old Rs in weight loss and noticed that similar issues were being raised 5 years ago as they are here. I guess things don't change.” I agree with you about the conflict going on as far back as 5 years and the sad thing is those who give sound advice on the issue usually end up getting attacked. What’s that old saying, don’t shoot the messenger? I understand that you are giving support and trying to help, I think the following post sums up how I feel about this issue. The title of the post is Genuine Support, I wish people would realize that’s what’s been happening here, genuine support!