PTree & Valerie...I need your input 
kathryn101
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Today was my 4th colonic with the Naturopath in St Louis and still nothing. She
said her worst patient with spastic colon didn't have a release until the 8th
colonic.
My sessions are lasting about 45 min. to close to 1 hour. She's having me drink
the Keri Tea (I think it's called...that comes with the Dr Natura kit) we tried
fiber for 2 nights but that didn't help so she had me stop that. She's having
me do breathing exercises...and a couple of exercises on a slant board daily.
So what do you think? Have you had patients that went through 4 colonics and virtually nothing. And almost nothing is happening at home either. It's to the
point now that I get kind of nauseous at times. I'm drinking about 40-60 oz of
water a day. HOWEVER...I didn't know until today not to drink ice water...ice
water supposedly makes the colon tighten up.
I go back in one week and have already signed up for my next 3. Any thoughts
or suggestions? Thanks
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This is a reply to # 926,052Hi Kathryn,
I've been anxious to hear how things went last week, but sorry that you are not making better progress. I thought for sure that you would be releasing a lot on Fri after having a session on Thurs. I assume that you are able to see the tube, yes? Are you releasing ANYTHING at all...either during the colonic or on your own?
I personally have never had anyone not release anything when doing back-to-back colonics two days in a row. I'm glad she stopped the fiber...not good when you are already backed up. There's senna in the Kleri Tea, which I'm not real keen on...but it usually gets things moving if you're in dire straights. The breathing and slant board exercises are very good for you. And the length of your sessions is fine.
I'm concerned that you are starting to feel nauseous. Certainly this can happen when toxins are stirred up...but it can also happen when things are not moving out through the intestines and are starting to back up. Are you able to eat OK? Is your abdomen distended? Are you passing any gas?
I cannnot remember how much you weigh...are you drinking 1/2 your body weight in oz. of water a day? Staying away from coffee, black tea, alcohol...anything that has a diuretic effect? It's true that it's better not to drink iced beverages, and drinking warm water with some Sea Salt in it first thing in the morning may be helpful. Are you able to use magnesium in any form? I know you can't use Epsom Salts .
How far apart are you spacing the next 3 colonics?
I'll do some brainstorming and I'm sure that Valerie will also have some comments and suggestions.
*EDIT* I just thought of something else, Kathryn. When you have the colonics done, does she vary the temperature of the water? When I had a client that wasn't releasing very well, sometimes alternating the water temperature would help stimulate peristalsis and the client would start releasing. If she keeps the water temperature steady, you might ask her to give this a try.Advertisement
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- Re: PTree & Valerie *EDIT* kathryn101
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This is a reply to # 926,098Thanks for the reply, PTree...I was hoping one of you would find my post tonight...
On how much I'm releasing...I 'can' see the tube and what we're getting wouldn't
amount to 1/3 cup I wouldn't think. On Friday of the 2 in a row last week...I
did do better on Friday...and I made a little headway when we got back to the motel on Thursday evening...I've had just a little luck at home...but nothing at all to
brag about...and not even enough that 'I' would think would help much. I'm steeping
the tea for 10 minutes...and today she told me to go to twice a day on the tea.
I do get nauseated if I eat very much...1/2 hamburger on the road on the way home
today filled me up. I'll be back on my juicing tomorrow and see what that does. My
tummy is not distended...but she said the 2 places I have the 'pooch' are the 2 main
places for buildup when you have a spastic colon. I weigh 130 pounds and I'm 5 ft.
And yes, usually when I think I'm needing to go...and run to the bathroom..it's usually just gas.
I can take Milk of Magnesia...but should I add that with the tea? I don't mean
actually IN the tea...I just mean could I take both?
My appointments now will be one week apart because she's booked solid...she's been
working me in...to get them closer...her sister had some appointments and I got her
sisters appointments...that was very thoughtful. She said her sister wouldn't mind.
She's still going to try to move my appointments closer...but she's closed for
a few days now for a vacation...will be back Monday.
She had said the temp would be body temp and I would barely notice it...but today
she said she was going to vary it...and I could even tell at one point. She's also
done accupressure on a key point on my upper tummy...
'She' felt I did good Friday...although I was wanting to do LOTS more than I did...we
were both disappointed today. She seems to really feel...that this is just really
going to be hard to break loose...because I've had the problem so long. But I've
tried all kinds of natural things myself...been to our family doctor 5 times...and
he didn't even take me serious...I also saw the gastroenteroligist's nurse practitioner...and all she wanted to do was schedule me for a colonoscopy...I 'thought' I was going to be able to see the specialist...I am in no
condition for a colonoscopy at this point...it would be impossible...but I definitely need one as soon as we can do it, I guess...after all of this...
She says my colon feels 'out of shape' and doughy...not soft like it should...and she says the whole colon feels that way.
I had big hopes for the colonics...but I'm beginning to get a little panicky now :-)
Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I forgot to tell you...I took digestive enzymes when I got home today...I started
wondering about that on the way home...and I figured it wouldn't hurt and may just
help. I may even double up on those tomorrow....
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This is a reply to # 926,155Hi Kathryn,
The digestive enzymes are good, but probably will not effect your constipation.
I'm glad to hear that you are passing gas...that means there is not a complete obstruction. However, stay away from any foods that you know produce gas while doing the colonics because the gas may prevent you from releasing more.
I would suggest that while you are having the colonics you keep your diet extremely 'clean' and avoid any flour products incl. breads, pastas and cereals. These tend to gunk up the pipes (flour+water=paste!) and could make it even more difficult for you to release. Eat LOTS of fresh vegetables and fruits. juicing is also very good.
Since you can take milk of magnesia...obviously you are able to take magnesium, just not in the sulfate form (ES). There is a product called Natural Calm, which is powdered magnesium citrate...and I recommend it highly. It can be used in lower doses for a great magnesium supplement...or higher doses to clear you out. It comes in several natural flavors (Raspberry-Lemon is my fav) and it is sweetened with stevia. I would recommend that you get some of this and take a Tablespoon before bed. This should get things moving and also give you the magnesium that virtually all of us are deficient in. You may need to adjust the dosage up or down to get these results. If you are extremely deficient in magnesium this may not be enough to loosen you up.
I would also massage your ileo-cecal valve every day...and more often won't hurt. This valve (that separates the small and large intestines (colon) is located about midway between your belly button and your right hip bone. You may have to really dig a little, and you will know when you have found it because you will feel a little gurgle or clicking sensation. This valve can get stuck and may also contributing to your lack of releasing.
I hope all this is helping! Don't worry...we'll get you going!!!Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 927,369Hi PTree....We've been out for the day and I just checked in to see if I had heard
from you or Valerie. Valerie is working but I'm sure she will email tonight or tomorrow.
The lemon size pooch is right in the area of the ileo-cecal valve...that's what
Dr Gardener said. And I've been working on that area...the other pooch...the big one... is right in the actual stomach area...higher up on the left.
I added the ab lounger yesterday after reading from one of Dr Jensen's books about
stretching the colon if you think there is a significant blockage...and when I stretch on that ab lounger for 10 minutes straight...I really feel some gurgling.
I'm doing that 3 times a day....
I don't have the magnesium citrate...I'll get that tomorrow...but I'll go ahead
and take the Milk of Magnesia tonight ...or even in a bit...I drink the senna tea
(Kleri) at 8pm....but I don't think it will hurt to mix them...what's it gonna
do...MAYBE give me diarrhea....yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :-)
gotta get...garden veggies are waiting to be put up...I didn't get it all done
before we left this morning.....thanks for all your imput...I appreciate it more
than you could possibly know. kathryn- Re: PTree & Valerie *EDIT* valerie_cct
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This is a reply to # 927,398Hi kathryn, I wish I had been able to reply sooner, but there is nothing in the comments and suggestions that PTree has offered that I could disagree with or really add much to.
Your situation is indeed puzzling. If you were so blocked up that after as many colonics as you have had you are still not releasing, I would have expected that you would be experiencing more serious symptoms than you describe.
I know you have said you don't prefer to use enemas, but I wonder if you had a series of 2 or 3 full bag salt solution enemas at home while you were rested and relaxed if you might experience a significant release?
While you are having your colonics are you experiencing any significant discomfort? During the inflow cycle does your colon feel as if it is getting really full to the point where you have to ask to release? Or perhaps I should ask if you get to the point during the fill that you are relieved when the doctor has switched to outflow because it was becoming uncomfortable for you?
I'm just trying to get a sense of if enough water is being introduced to stimulate a release. PTree also mentioned that alternating the water temperature during the session can help get things moving.
Often during the first half hour or so I use water at 100 degrees F or so which relaxes the colon and allows the water to reach the upper areas of the transverse and ascending colon. Then during the last portion of the session, gradually lowering the inflow water temperature to below body temperature tends to causes the colon to tense and stimulates peristalsis that usually helps with the release.
Some people find the cooler water refreshing, while for others it may cause somewhat mild uncomfortable cramping. Myself, sometimes when I have a colonic I like the cool water, other times it has given me the chills and cramps. No two colonic sessions are ever identical, it all depends on your situation on that day at that time.
Keep us posted on your progress.
In the best of natural health, best wishes,
Valerie
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This is a reply to # 926,052I was just reading some of the old posts in this forum looking for answers...and I
found where someone had good luck with Triphala for old impacted matter. What do
you think about that...I have Triphala in the cabinet...and used to take 3 a day...
haven't taken it for a while....I also have Primal Defense.
And also...that picture in my profile square...I did NOT put that there and that is
NOT an image that I would select...I will try to have that removed...kathryn
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This is a reply to # 926,241I tried Triphala years ago and didn't have any luck with it, but you might want to give it a try...it wouldn't hurt.
I have seen very good results with Primal Defense, but only for the time it is being used. It is not a probiotic that implants in the intestines...but if it gets you going that's a very good thing at this point!
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This is a reply to # 926,052kathryn, you asked "So what do you think? Have you had patients that went through 4 colonics and virtually nothing"?
Actually, while I was in training we had a woman in about her 60's who was in very poor health and it took more than 4 colonics, and many more after that before she achieved a clear colon. My instructor likened it to "peeling back the layers on an onion". When the poor woman came in the first time her skin was yellowish and she walked with difficulty. I will say now that she looked to me like "walking death".
When she left after her colonic the last time I was there she walked with a spring in her step and looked 20 years younger than she had months earlier when I had first seen her and observed her first session. That made quite an impression on me at the time.
But since that time I don't recall a client that after 4 colonics hadn't experienced significant results. That may have been because if a client is disappointed with the results of their first 2 or 3 sessions, they may have become discouraged and not come back for additional treatments.
Please keep us informed of your situation.
Sincerely, Valerie
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