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This forum continues to have problems ... and it is not only the fault of moderators ... it is also the fault of those who are sending extremely mixed messages on what moderators should do.
The general idea of moderating any forum is to go by what majority of forum visitors prefer. So, the moderators are to follow the will of majority ... suppose forum members agree and actually have a majority on anything.
We decided to use surveys to find out what is it that members of this forum want.
There are 2 separate surveys asking for your opinion on what and how should moderators act.
One survey (Iodine Forum Opinion Survey 71) was asking only members of the Iodine Forum ... the other survey (CureZone Forums Opinion Survey 171) was asking similar questions, but the whole CureZone (all forums), with similar but separate questions for Support forums and for Debate forums.
So, moderators of this forum should disregard answers from the global Survey (CureZone Forums Opinion Survey 171) and should instead follow the will of people expressed inside the Iodine Forum Opinion Survey 71.
That means that Occasional advertisements ( Iodine special offers ) are allowed inside this forum ... but in the same time, are not allowed in any other forum.
All other questions are not as clear.
Here comes the problem.
People of this forum are sending mixed messages to moderators.
Look at the results answers to the first 2 questions:
Look at the answers given to those questions:
1 None. Please just leave everything like it is. 3 of 33 9.1% [1] 2 "Low Level": Just edit bad language [vulgar, indecent, name calling,etc. ], But leave all threads and messages where they were originally. 11 of 33 33.3% [1] 3 "Medium Level": All from the "Low Level" and also please move flame wars into the Personal Conflicts forum, but leave civilized debates where they are. 7 of 33 21.2% 4 "High Level": All from the "Medium Level" and also please move civilized debates into the Iodine Debate forum 7 of 33 21.2% [1] Based on the answers given to the 1st question, 7 of 33 (21%) agrees to "High Level" which is generally defined as moving Civilized Debates (suppose there is a such thing on this forum) to the Iodine Debate Forum.
If moderators are to follow answers given to this question ... they should actually leave all "Civilized Debates" inside this forum.
But, gues what?
Look at the answers given on the second question:
1 Moderators should IGNORE debates originating inside The Iodine Support Forum 9 of 31 29.0% [1] 2 Moderators should MOVE debates to The Iodine Debate Forum 10 of 31 32.3% [2] 3 I am bored. Get off my back! Leave me alone! 2 of 31 6.5% 4 By all means move debates to where they belong BUT please let the group know. When a posts disappear there needs to be a quick explanation.... previous posts moved to debate n/m is fine. Or something like that. 5 of 31 16.1% [4] 5 Moderators Should Move Debates if Topic is being Reported by Forum Members, otherwise leave it where it is. 5 of 31 16.1% Only 9 of 31 people actually think that debates should be left inside the Support forum and 20 of 31(MAJORITY) thinks that debates should be moved, but a message should be left to explain why was it moved ...
As members of this forum obviously aren't able to make up their mind on the level of moderation ... we will go by the rule of "minimum action".
In other words ... all debates will be left inside this forum ... until forum visitors come with some more clear messages on what to do.
So, the instruction to moderators is: "minimum action" : Disregard debates ... until it is clear what forum forum visitors actually want. If visitors are unsure (50:50) or close to it ... we will remain on "minimum action".
The rule of "minimum action" should be applied also whenever 2 moderators disagree.
Example:
Mod 1 thinks a message deserves an "R", while mod 2 thinks a message is not good for an "R". In that case ... "minimum action" means there will be no R.
Mod 1 thinks a message should be hidden, while mod 2 thinks a message should be left. In that case ... "minimum action" means message should be left.
Mod 1 thinks a message should get and "BSA", while mod 2 thinks a message should be an "R". In that case ... "minimum action" means message should be R (R is smaller then BSA).
Any forum visitor who already answered questions inside any survey can re-enter the same survey and can change his answers.
To express your opnion on those 2 questions, please click on the links providied here:
1 What level of moderation (of the Iodine Support forum) are you comfortable with? What are your preferences? 2 Forum Moderation? Should moderators move debate message threads from this forum into the Iodine Debate forum, or should they just ignore them and leave them where they originated? PLEASE show me that you are able to understand questions and options and that you are able to answer those 2 questions!
In other words ...
if 60% of you want debates moved to Iodine Debate forum (question #2 ) .. then your selection of the forum moderation level (Question #1) should be: "High Level": All from the "Medium Level" and also please move civilized debates into the Iodine Debate forumDo I really have to make a video that explains how to do this?
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I will move back to this forum debates previously removed ... until it is more clear what forum members really prefer (if ever).
P.S.2
Somewhere in the threads, I saw a sentence:
"Elemental Iodine in the large amounts expounded result in tissue injury acidosis and the ultimate finality in progression of death"
Apparently, some people got offended by this sentence.Unless you actually add a quantity to this sentence, there is absolutely no reason why should anyone get offended.
"large amounts" could mean different quantity for different people . It could mean hundreds of grams ... or hundreds of milligrams .. or just about any other quantity.
Can someone here actually argue that hundreds of grams of pure Iodine will not kill you? We are all adults. We should really not all get mad on sentence that leaves the most important part unspecified.
What is it in people that pushes you to react on messages that are more or less unfinished.
The "poison is in the dose" and in the "individual tolerance of the person exposed".
"One man's bread, another man's dead."
"What kills one, heals another."
Just try to be more tolerant. No need to jump on people who disagree with you. Agree to disagree and move on!
Webmaster
- Re: Problems jfh
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MoreThis is a reply to # 892,551
"What is is in people that pushes you to react on messages that are more or less unfinished."
Passion. Unbridled passion.
My grandmother always said, "Never discuss women, religion, or politics. That will always get you into a heated debate."
Think of it as religion. People will defend their religion with their lives. People tend to create their own rules, when they don't like what they see. Why else would every major religion have so many sects or denominations? Well, the same thing is true of something as exciting as this Iodine health protocol. We each don't know if the protocol will work until we have tried long enough; because we are individuals. We forget that what works for us may only work for us.
- Re: Problems jfh
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MoreThis is a reply to # 892,551I think the problem word is "civilized". A moderator may not be able to determine if a debate is still civilized. Civilized debates are healthy for a support forum. Much can be learned; and it provokes thought and research. I would like the best of both worlds. Maybe remove the debate when it starts to make divisive factions; or maybe a debate between only two or three people. I guess what I'm saying is "define civilized".
- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom #68716
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This is a reply to # 892,551I just look to the performance of the forum up until recently. If one counts the web hits lost April 1, Iodine went from zero to like a million hits in about 2 & 1/2 months time, and it was for the most part, unmoderated, with little exception. Folks sometimes posted videos or made minor jokingly compliments to one another, but it was self-moderating, and I thought it was a nice feeling to have so much freedom. There were a lot of very happy people.
Then came an increased level of moderation, and I started receiving emails from people asking me what the H was going on, because they had the impression I was a moderator !
I think it would be real nice if things could go back to how they were, with essentially no moderation.
I also think the surveys are good too. The $ 64,000 question is how to best handle forums like this, but there probably is no one answer that fits all. Each piece of information is valuable, such as from the surveys, towards getting a good big picture view.
But I think the folks here really already had the answer a couple months back when things were smooth sailing, and all we need to do is look at that model and analyze why it was so successful. If one adds the lost hits from April to the current tally, Iodine is near 2 MM hits since February. There is a good learning in all of this.
So far my conclusion is that entrance of a new moderator six weeks back where one was not needed before may have been detrimental. There was no way for them to know of this effect in advance, since Iodine is a relative phenomenal success, so no blaming is appropriate. Of course, my opinion remains subject to change on these theories.
- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom wombat
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This is a reply to # 892,592I'd like to add to that, the forum WAS moderated, by Hanna and Southern Belle. They know a good thing when they see it and SUPPORT us.
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This is a reply to # 892,614It appears that the Enterprise is now under attack by an alien force, which has secured itself quite well in the engineering section.
Since the disappearance of Captain Kirk, having investigated all possible options, our best choice is to begin the ship's self-destruct sequence, and beam all essential personnel to the planet below. Send the distress probes to Starfleet, and meet me down in the transporter room..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dove_(TOS_episode)
- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom cora
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This is a reply to # 893,367
To the transporter room it is.
V, I've been on a mad search for one of your posts. FInally located it, but it was ______ed, either by you (per request of Mod) or a by a Mod. URL pasted below:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=877534
Any ideas on how can I go about retreiving the contents? After four (+) days of hunting it down, combing through various posts to say I'm annoyed isn't enough. Also one other I can't find. It was deep into a thread, so it's especially hard to locate.
I'm at the end of the road with this forum. Probably a good thing. Perhaps it's run its course (for me).- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom jfh
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This is a reply to # 893,408Don't give up. Persevere. This is just "growing pains". You've been there before; or have children who have gone through growing pains. They always get over it. You know why you started. Right? You must have started with this forum; because of the dynamic qualities of iodine. Things will calm down. It takes time for the dust to settle when anything new is introduced.
Besides, WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU?
- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom cora
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This is a reply to # 893,424J. You're great.
It was indeed the dynamic element which comprised this forum that compelled my initial interest. It was the scope of peripheral information discussed and revealed here which continued to bring me back. It was the diversity, character, personality of this forum's members which had checking in almost every day.
I wish I believed you could be perfectly correct. Previously, I felt the same when things got icky.
More and more lately, I find myself just wanting to walk away. So I do. With all becoming as restrictive as it has, much less information is gleaned - hence my need and interest wanes.
It's probably a good thing. Time for me to move on.- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom jfh
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This is a reply to # 893,442Cora, please check back in from time to time. Let us know how well you're doing. Remember that we are somewhat of an extended family. ...and some of us care.
- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom jfh
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- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom jfh
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- Agree with Vulcanel and Soulsurvivor monica999
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This is a reply to # 892,592I have been on other forums and my experience there is as well that those which are very low moderated have been very pleasant to be on.
As Soulsurvivor said : "The rules were simple: no profanities, no racial slurs, and no EXTREME personal attacks ("I'm going to hunt you down and kill you," etc.). Otherwise, members were encouraged to discuss their Chat Room Topics to heart's content with as little involvement from Hosts, as possible." - Re: Problems Ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 892,592Vulcanel, just wanted to publicly voice my vote of agreement.
Allowing the opportunity for self moderation to occur also allows the opportunity for people to observe first hand what it means to give honor to the rights of the individual. Who knows? It might even allow people the opportunity to observe first hand the process of shaking this worn out, long-entrenched errant notion that we are obligated to conduct ourselves as a collective democracy. If the recent CZ poll/survey had the prime intention of seating a person into public office, that's different and more appropriate for relying on a democratic principle - majority wins. Meanwhile, it looks as though the opinions sought via "we want your opinion" are in the process of losing.
PS to future free nation founders: please consider the critical need to set forth in no unclear terms that the tradition of utilizign democratic principles on occasion as needed does not in any way mean, imply nor even hint that a democracy is in operation. And one last thing: please avoid saddling your future nation with that dreadful notion of "secret vote system".- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom #68716
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This is a reply to # 892,650It's a tough job. Lots of folks are experimenting with curing themselves, and the webmeister is experimenting with what works best on the site. Its a good sign that new things are being tried, since more information is acquired. The answers are never clear-cut or easy, otherwise the problems would have been solved long ago. But, problems are good - we seek problems, because we need the gifts that solving them provides. CZ needs moderators, but moderators may sometimes just not get along with one another. Effectively managing so many relationships is a monumental task and it is probably not possible for everyone to be satisfied, which in itself is really a good thing. Can you imagine how boring life would be if people were satisfied ? "Show me a satisfied man, and I will show you a failure" - T A Edison So we live and learn, and move forward leaving (hopefully) only superficial bruises on one another which heal with the passage of a little time.
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- Re: Problems - tiny Edit at bottom wombat
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This is a reply to # 892,551I was an AOL Chat Host many years ago. The rules were simple: no profanities, no racial slurs, and no EXTREME personal attacks ("I'm going to hunt you down and kill you," etc.). Otherwise, members were encouraged to discuss their Chat Room Topics to heart's content with as little involvement from Hosts, as possible.
One of the ways to do that is for the Webmaster to appoint or solicit the Moderators - when members "elect" their Moderators, it becomes an all-out popularity contest and not an appointment of common sense. Moderators should be objective, unemotional, and demonstrate the ability to SIT ON THEIR HANDS in the event that someone posts a message that might rankle them, personally. Moderators should be assigned forums in which they have not spent a majority of their time - this allows for even greater objectivity and less emotional involvement with members. Moderators should not use their Special Powers for anything other than performing their specific tasks of keeping some semblence of order in forums. Moderators should not be allowed or encouraged to monopolize any forum by posting rants about their own issues. Moderators should never, ever be named or outed - they should be given anonymous ID's (NEW ONES, like Moderator 123, etc.) and any Moderator who outs another should be replaced and banned from the site. Finally, any Moderator who oversteps their boundaries of control and sends UNSOLICITED emails to threaten other members or attempt to ignite a bipartisan populatrity war should be replaced and/or banned from the site at the Webmaster's discretion.
I posted a similar message in the Ask Curezone Forum and, again, this is just my 2 cents. If ANYONE (moderator OR member) becomes offended by my concerns, TOUGH - I didn't name names, here, and I refuse to do so. If anyone becomes uncomfortable with the contents of this message, then maybe they a reason to be!- My two cents pb3046
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This is a reply to # 892,603"The rules were simple: no profanities, no racial slurs, and no EXTREME personal attacks ("I'm going to hunt you down and kill you," etc.). Otherwise, members were encouraged to discuss their Chat Room Topics to heart's content with as little involvement from Hosts, as possible."
This is mostly what I would like and personal attacks/flame conflicts should be moved to the debate forum. I have left forums because the infighting got really bad, due to many personal attacks, not necessarily EXTREME. To have to go through each post, and find attack and counter attack is so discouraging when one is looking for help with health issues. I try to read each post because not all good or helpful posts are marked R. And I feel disrespect myself when posters disrespect each other. Additionally, I would like to see N/M or VIDEO in the subject line.
My problem in answering the two questions, and I don't consider myself dense, is that the questions themselves were confusing. I was surprised that the second question was even asked. My thought is that most of us would have answered low level or medium level, and then the moderators would have automatically moved those to the debate forum.- pb3046 Re: My two cents #1877
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This is a reply to # 892,775My personal views are the same as yours and a lot of people have written me and feel the same.
But as a moderator I did not let my views take over, I suggested things and it was obvious that people did not agree, so I let things go.
A lot of posters were helpful and would post "this should be in the debate forum", so that made it easy.
If I was not sure I would e-mail one of the experienced regulars and ask their opinion.
The same with video and NM, a lot of people have slow computer service and they would be helped by knowing what is in the post.
It will take a fine balance to keep everybody happy, but if everyone tries to be considerate it should work.
The Iodine is a spirited forum, but it should also consider the people that are only there for healthinfo and that is really the object, to try to help other people.
- Re: pb3046 Re: My two cents SqueakyClean
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This is a reply to # 892,866I would appreciate it if people could CONSISTENTLY get into the habit of posting a tag at the end of their posts, to indicate:
Off Topic
Video
Song Lyrics
No Message
I don't mind people posting off topic - I like reading many of these threads.
I don't mind people posting videos or song lyrics HOWEVER I don't want to see view the videos (slow computer) and I don't want to read any song lyrics. Or poems.
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