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My opinion is that everyone who seeks enlightenment needs to have their own moderation in all aspects of their life. They have to seek full balance between opposites of their own personality, emotions, feelings, spirituality, etc. before seeking enlightenment.

I wonder if it the same about Buddha.

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Hiya, Maya

#'s 1&2 sound good to me too.

And what is enlightenment anyway? I understand it to observe no judgment, to live in 'being' going with the flows of life.

So if that is true, then our enlightened fellows may not have judgment of any illness they may entertain.

I have read of some enlightened knowing of their cancers, illnesses and impending deaths, holding no fear of them and accepting.

One I read of, can't remember, attracted disease just to teach his students something, then healed himself.

Yes, maybe Cayce and others didn't care to be aware of the causes of their illnesses and didn't care to heal themselves.

And of course there's the bigger picture of learning involved: how did their actions affect others?

One small example of that is...is has you thinking and expanding your consciousness now. So it still serves...everything ultimately does in my perspective.

#4: And then there's the possibility they still allowed influence of collective beliefs about death altogether.

Let us know when you formulate a satisfying answer. I feel it has some greater insights...

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Lori

We all have the meat suit side of the enlightened.

And at times in our lives we are low energy, when the monkey mind is whirling around like a top spinning across a hardwood floor!

These are the times that the body breaks down-even Jesus came back as another body- remember the apolstles or the one he met (was it mary?) on the path from the tomb did not recognize him from the outside, only after he spoke

Cayce was a channeler much like Abraham's Ester. He had the ability to have a clear channel and was a gifted psychic healer.

This does not necessarily make him indestructible?
or Invincible?;}

I don't know if this explanation applies to sickness, but it applies to mortality. Humans have both good seeds and bad seeds within. When you raise your consciousness, all seeds are germinated regardness. It's really the person's job to clean himself/herself of bad seeds before reaching for higher dimensions.

We're here to gain experience as spiritual beings, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's and Cayce's Higher Selfs wanted those experiences.

As far as being enlightened......there is always one more step....one more heaven.

Aren't you growing all the time?

Thanks to all of you who answered .. all excellent perspectives .. gave me a little more enlightment, although not quite fully enlightened!! :-)

Birth and death are of the same reasoning, to complete a cycle, or season.

Death is not a complicated matter. Accepting death in itself brings life. It allows me to live my life to its fullest as odd as that may sound.

A few weeks ago my wife and I were lucky enough to witness a family of birds living on our patio. They had several babies and it was a pleasure hearing and seeing the parents nurture their growth.

One day my youngest showed me a dead baby bird near our patio. In addition, the other baby birds had left the nest. We all looked at the dead little bird and I could feel a slight sadness overcome everyone.

It got me thinking. Something I try not to do (hahaha).

Perhaps this baby bird sacrificed itself for its sibling. Maybe it purposely fell from its nest so its siblings could make a timely get away (there are many cats who roam in and out of our back yard). Perhaps, this was the little birds purpose from the very get go. To make a sacrifice, even a painful one.

I believe people are the same way. We are all one. The body works just as nature does, in cycles and as one unit.

As your #2 example states "they were so open in their giving, that they absorbed some of the disease from those they helped."

So death, to me, is something to celebrate. Something to cherish.

I do not consciously know what to expect(maybe some of you do), but I do not fear death. In essence, death is just another form of being born...

When we die, we are really preparing ourselves to be born, to start a knew cycle. We willingly choose to exit this plane and enter another, one where the loving flow of all that IS, anticipates our arrival. As our arrival here was anticipated and celebrated. And if you're thinking; my parents didn't celebrate me being born, I guarantee your current friends, spouse and other family members higherselves were celebrating the day of your arrival. Most of all, the Universe was celebrating.

So death and the circumstances surrounding it represent not a failure to balance or settle Karma. It is a completion and acceptance to be born again, to not fear the unknown, to accept our natural Universal cycle.

When we become aware of the natural cycle, we too will accept, find or let any dis-ease over come us, easily and willingly.

It would seem to me this question is also asking; By becoming enlightened, will I live longer, forever? To me, it seems the answer would be no...How can you live forever if you have never been born?

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it only changes form.

The act of death is an enlightened one. It is the true understanding of self.....

The Universe created the physical body to observe itself. The Universe is also looking to us for guidance. It is a two way communication. When the physical body ceases to exist it is only because the Universe, as well as ourselves, has observed the completion of a cycle. That is the true nature of balance....

Chopra wrote something that I agree with. He stated that the Universe works as the body. Everyday thousands of cells die in our body and thousands more are created. Does this mean those specific cells that died were dis-eased, not enlightened? No. It means they know the true nature of the Universe. They understand the cycle of life. They understand that they where never born, thus never die. Since it is OUR cells that know this, so do we.

Cancer is not to be feared. It is actually a protective force. Its intentions are always good. When cancer overcomes the body, it is only because that persons intentions willingly allow it. They understand the cycle of the Universe. They do not see cancer as a death sentence, but a lovingly return to all that IS. Cancer is simply the vessel for them to arrive. There are many vessels.

I like to think of my life like a leaf on a tree. The tree is the Universe, I am the leaf. I sprout and become part of the cycle. I support life (oxygen for humans/food for critters) and enjoy the view. During my time I weather the elements. Sometimes the wind blows very hard but I cling on. Sometimes there is little water but I am able to make it to the next rains. Eventually though, I will accept the cycle of the Universe and fall to the ground, if even by the slightest breeze. Again, even in death, I will nurture the soil and thus, the Universe. I have come back to Source. I have completed my cycle.

The wind was that leafs cancer. Many times the wind came, but the leaf held on. It was only at that right moment, when its cycle was coming to a completion did the leaf let go. It didn't take a storm of wind to dislodge the leaf, only a gentle, soft caressing of wind and the unity of and acceptance of the Universal cycle that guided the leaf.

Its really quite beautiful when you think of death....only the enlightened die.

Now I am off to understand why do I keep eating the same flavor oatmeal? I am buying the variety pack next time....

Hi there invisible

Not sure where the article is at but there seems to be some types of infections that can spread if one is working with very ill people, and they can lay dormant in an otherwise healthy person or heavy metals and such can eventually clogg the arteries. In the case of Edgar Cayce I think he was healing many people before he died and he might have contracted something during his healing work or elsewhere for that matters that gave him stroke later on, or perhaps he was more needed elsewhere and it was just time for him to die. People are dying all around the world so why would the enlightened be an exception? If you look at some physical healers like Hulda Clark for example their work is actually focused on the physical body rather than the spiritual body, and she also heals many people around the world just as Edgar Cayce but she will most definately still die one day anyways. How old can the physical body get is perhaps another question.

Because being religious or spiritual doesn't make you immune to illness and death?

There are many kinds of healers. I believe spiritual healing can be important, but I think neglecting the physical body (how we live, eat and drink on a day to day basis) is more important.

I was thinking, why shouldn´t the enlighted get sick as well. Illness is very common everywhere so why should an enlighted person be spared from it just because..Illnesses very often have a biological reason in my own personal opinion.

But David Wilcock has an opinion on the spiritual cause (which might be commonly known). He claims that enlighted people have an extra responsibility to live as they teach, especially if they give out advice or are publicly known I think was the main thought. If they for example teach about love and don´t show the love that they teach, they will easily get into accidents, illnesses and sometimes death. Also, if they start to believe that they are the messiah or more important on this earth than other people (which he claims is common), then the same things might happen to them. He also mentioned something about Edgar Cayce when he spoke about it.

Human beings are also material beings in that they have a physical form. Anything that is material is subject to decline and decay. This is a natural expression of the destructive cycle and one of the most basic laws of nature.

When Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj said, "In my world, nothing ever goes wrong."... this reflects an understanding that there is nothing WRONG with sickness and death because they are a natural part of the cycle of life.