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from his blog:
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Caution With Kelp Supplements
My research has shown that after testing over 4,000 patients for their Iodine levels, over 96% of those tested are significantly low in iodine. Many patients ask me if they can take kelp instead of iodine. The amount of Iodine in kelp can be variable. Furthermore, I was always concerned that kelp supplements may contain toxic amounts of arsenic or halides. I have tested 2 kelp supplements and found very elevated arsenic levels in both items. Both of these products were marketed heavily and sales in the millions of dollars were reported. When I contacted he manufactures of these products, neither returned my phone calls. Remember, if kelp is grown in a polluted area of the ocean, it may contain elevated amounts of these pollutants. New research has validated my findings.
Researchers at the University of California/Davis found that eight out of nine kelp supplements contained abnormal levels of arsenic (Env. Health Perspectives, April, 2007). The researchers began to look at kelp supplements after a patient presented to the UC Davis clinic with a myriad of complaints including memory loss, hair loss and fatigue. She was found to have very high arsenic levels which was traced to a kelp supplement she was taking. After stopping the kelp supplement, her arsenic levels gradually declined and her symptoms improved.
So, what can you do? IF you are low in iodine, take a pure Iodine product that is not contaminated. Lugol’s solution or tableted Lugol’s solution (Iodoral®) have both proven safe and effective in my practice. Kelp can be an appropriate iodine source if the kelp has been tested and found free of toxic elements. I would be very cautious about taking a kelp supplement unless the manufacture is consistently testing the kelp for purity and consistency.
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I called a well-known kelp manufacturer (mentioned on this forum) and left a message on their voice mail, inquiring politely about their kelp product testing.
The owner of the company called me back and left a long, disturbing rant on my answering machine, saying the only alternative was prescription iodine, accusing me of being big pharma, "anti-organic" and other things too wacky to recall.
He sells four dollar kelp supplements for $40.00 a bottle.
I thought, if he doesn't even know Iodine is available without a prescription, what else doesn't he know, such as what to ask for in testing?
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Wow. Thanks Wombie and that's pretty nuts, Citing!
I'm looking into this further for my own purposes. Definately worth knowing the real deal, product by product (AND byproduct).
I suppose that name of manufacturer is locked in a box somewhere...
It's okay, and maybe isn't a need to know. Sure would like to because some messed up info like that along with the attitude and ignorance (but see how it feels to be accused when you were simply seeking the facts?) - it's one I'd want to avoid.
I like my hijiki, etc. It's one of the few foods I like. : (
And I love my Lugols. Wouldn't leave home w out it AND DON'T!! ; )~~
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I hit the Good Message button and hope others have/will too. This information is too important to ignore. I was thinking about taking small doses of both kelp and Lugol's, but am having second thoughts. The problem is I have several bottles of NOW kelp powder.- Re: David Brownstein, MD, Caution wi... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 864,518I hit "the alert good message" before you did, nyaah, nyaaah, n-n nyaah, nyaaah :::huge silly grin:::
GMTA, eh?
Regarding the arsenic in kelp - 'tis my thinking that we have no idea how much poison one would be getting, and in what form. While a healthy body in a strong state of health (cleansed/flushed and eating well) might be able to benefit from the kelp AND deal with the arsenic, I'd think it's a heckuva different 'outlook' for those that are weak or dealing with various problems already.
Proceed with knowledge & caution with the kelp folks...we're talking ARSENIC!
Unyquity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic
Toxicity of Arsenic
Arsenic and many of its compounds are especially potent poisons. Arsenic disrupts ATP production through several mechanisms including allosteric inhibition of the metabolic enzyme lipothiamide pyrophosphatase during glycolysis.[citation needed] At the level of the citric acid cycle, arsenic inhibits succinate dehydrogenase and by competing with phosphate it uncouples oxidative phosphorylation, thus inhibiting energy-linked reduction of NAD+, mitochondrial respiration, and ATP synthesis. Hydrogen peroxide production is also increased, which might form reactive oxygen species and oxidative stress. These metabolic interferences lead to death from multi-system organ failure (see arsenic poisoning) probably from necrotic cell death, not apoptosis. A post mortem reveals brick red colored mucosa, due to severe hemorrhage. Although arsenic causes toxicity, it can also play a protective role.[5].
Elemental arsenic and arsenic compounds are classified as "toxic" and "dangerous for the environment" in the European Union under directive 67/548/EEC.
The IARC recognizes arsenic and arsenic compounds as group 1 carcinogens, and the EU lists arsenic trioxide, arsenic pentoxide and arsenate salts as category 1 carcinogens.
Arsenic is known to cause arsenicosis due to its manifestation in drinking water, “the most common species being arsenate [HAsO42- ; As(V)] and arsenite [H3AsO3 ; As(III)]”. The ability of arsenic to undergo redox conversion between As(III) and As(V) makes its availability in the environment possible. According to Croal, Gralnick, Malasarn, and Newman, “[the] understanding [of] what stimulates As(III) oxidation and/or limits As(V) reduction is relevant for bioremediation of contaminated sites (Croal). The study of chemolithoautotrophic As(III) oxidizers and the heterotrophic As(V) reducers can help the understanding of the oxidation and/or reduction of arsenic.[6]- Re: David Brownstein, MD, Caution wi... hopinso
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This is a reply to # 864,530I guess I'll forgo the kelp for now. I seem to be falling apart. With the neuropathy, shingles, chronic pain and now I have lost my voice (allergies?) things do not seem to bode well for risky experiments. When I read posts by Grzbear and others about how much kelp is helping them, I want to try it. However, I have to be cautious and go slowly. I bought some kelp after reading about the Blood Type Diet and how type O's needed a good kelp supplement. However, it never did really "feel" right or help. My Naturopath once gave me some blue-green algae that was supposed to help increase energy, it made me worse. I'm sorry to sound so negative, but I wish I could find the right things, both in food and supplements to help me feel better even if it doesn't help me start walking again.Advertisement
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I've noticed nothing but improvements from the seaweed, but I don't like kelp much. Other types I LOVE. But with all this really coming at me I can do nothing but heed some advice, and do some diggin into the yummy stuff I buy.
No problem kicking seaweed if I had to. Now Lugols - get away from my bottle or...
FACE MY WRATH. - Re: David Brownstein, MD, Caution wi... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 864,544I don't know if what I'm going to say is of any help (or if you've maybe already considered it all), but even in the allopathic world sometimes it's necessary to take a "drug holiday" to be able for ANYONE to be able to tell what it really happening in a body...the 'baseline', so to speak.
I know you've probably been utilizing very effective, pure supplements; and I also guess that you've taken a large variety (probably large quantities too). Is it possible you need a "supplement holiday" so you can get back to a baseline of some type?
And of course, you probably already know my view on ND's. If whomever you are seeing (for years?) hasn't cured you for years...ND or whatever certification - then you're wasting a LOT of time and money (not to mention energy and life), not being healed.
Dr. Gerson, Schulze, Christopher (or ANY healer 'worth his weight)...these people would have had you healed LONG before now (as long as you went along with whatever program). Dr. Schulze had people with nerve damage walking when they'd been wheelchair bound for years with nerve damage. Something's just not right somewhere.
I know you have a strong knowledge base and know a lot of stuff, but I'm feeling like it'd be wrong of me not to mention taking a possible 'drug holiday' along with a seriously devoted juice fast. Many MANY times when our bodies present with symptom "D", we throw supplements and protocols at "D"...but it took a breakdown of A, B & C before symptom "D" ever appeared - and we never saw or felt A, B, & C and we don't know how to treat them. But the BODY? It knows EXACTLY what happened...and why. And it knows how to heal it, if we'd only give it the chance and supply it with the nutrition & energy it needs. This can be done by juice fasting (and by stopping the myriad of supplements we're throwing at symptom "D"...which may actually be worsening the condition because they don't deal with the CAUSE of the symptom).
I think I remember somewhere (a LONG time ago) mentioning the possibility of juice fasting; I don't remember why you couldn't/wouldn't, but I seem to recall it was something about your ND (?) telling you that you were too weak or it was a blood Sugar issue. (Of course, juice fasting doesn't impact your blood Sugar negatively if you juice correctly for your needs; and the weaker & sicker you are, the more you NEED juice fasting). Hopinso, I really don't remember the posts, so I really don't have much of an idea of 'why' or 'why not'...but if you haven't done a serious juice fast (more than piddling around for a few days), then I think it's the best possibility you have at achieving the state of health you desire. (don't forget the Lugol's, of course! :)
Here's a link/s with incredible information/stories/truths about juice fasting:
http://healingtools.tripod.com/thns1a.html
JUICE-FASTING - Part 1
http://healingtools.tripod.com/thns1b.html
JUICE-FASTING - Part 2
I sure hope you don't think I'm being condescending (I realize your level of knowledge and really appreciate your stick-to-it-ness); it's just that sometimes the most obvious of things slips right past any of us...and EVERY time I see your name, my spirit screams "JUICE FASTING!" :) Along with: "why hasn't her 'healer' ever HEALED HER!?"
Blankets of blessings (always),
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The outcome is DEFINITELY 'worth it' (whatever "it" is to us as individuals).
When things become complex and no answer is at hand, the BODY knows what is wrong when nobody else does. Give the body the energy normally utilized in digestion and power-house nutrients in the form of easily assimilated juice...and the body has virtually everything it needs to go to the source and heal, Heal, HEAL!
I'm always SO discouraged by those who say..."but I'm too weak", "it's too hard", "I get so hungry", "I just can't stick with it". I realize that many people haven't experienced the miracles that WILL be had, but juice fasting is the cure for all of the reasons one thinks they can't juice fast. :( :( :(
Did you do only the 'dark green leafies'? Mix them? Other juices?
When I juice fast (I have no blood Sugar issues), I always attempt to get a gallon of juice in my daily (I rarely hit that mark, but I also drink well over a gallon of water daily)...and I utilize a great variety of juices. I juice them and put them in canning jars - EVERY juice blend gets an inch or two of 'deep green leafy' in the bottom before I add the others.
Honestly, I've never done straight 'dark green leafies'; I think it's admirable (and worthy of major amounts of praise!) if you juice fasted on ONLY the greenies.
(I'm not supposed to be posting anymore today, so if I don't get back to you, know that I will...it'll just be maybe tomorrow).
Blessings,
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This is a reply to # 864,638I do add a couple of carrots most of the time to help with the flavor. I don't drink as much as you do. Only one large green drink and later in the day I have fruit drink. I would prefer drinking the fruit earlier and the green later but I can't talk my husband into trying the greens when he's home but he loves the fruit.
Many people can't stand to juice Mustard or Turnip greens but I do add it to the mix, even though it makes it peppery tasting. Many people develop abdominal upset with these, so I wouldn't advise anyone with a sensitive stomach to try them.
Due to my studies here I have learned that certain greens like Mustard and Kale are Goitrogens and are not good for the thyroid even though they are packed with nutrients but I do still use them, just not heavily.
I'm sorry but I just can't stomach wheatgrass. I start heaving just thinking about it.
I will admit that I'm not fond of drinking my greens but what can I say? I'm on a mission to get healthier. (refreshed)
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Actually I have been pretty much on a supplement free program for the last six weeks. The main exception has been L Lysine which every source I have read says is good for controlling herpes viruses. I guess it is time for another juice fast, its been a year almost since I have done one.
I appreciate your advice Uny. You have given me a lot of valuable information in the last couple of years.
I have just started a mild Colon Cleanse which is working. Right now, everything is gentle and mild. I'm going very slowly. I did go ahead and order more Lugol's since I wanted to be sure and get the full strength.
Please forgive me for being so negative and discouraged. It is so exhausting just trying to have some semblance of a normal life right now. People are always telling me to go on disability, but I want to work, be around people and keep up some hope. The weather is making my joints swell (I am not too far from where those terrible tornadoes struck, even though this area was spared from violent storms-so far.) I guess I need to shut up and lick my wounds. I'll try not to post anymore tonight.
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That's a really good one too. Tks!!
Here's what I was looking for;
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This is a reply to # 864,469Arsenic=masculine in greek ("arsenico" indeed)
So I suppose this chemical should have been named so from a woman who had been "poisoned" by a man LOOOOL
Greetings from the Mediterranean
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