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- On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed, vi... north
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This is a reply to # 848,137On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed, via stool test. (blastocystis).
And I feel the need to mention that one reason why many people go undiagnosed is that labs are very poorly trained to look for parasites in stool tests, it requires time to search through the microscope at the slide - the bad guys aren't just all arranged on the slide in a neat row.
Also, I have read that stools do not contain equal amounts of parasites (or eggs) - your stools will sometimes pass evidence, and sometimes the evidence stays in the intestines without passing out in that particular stool.
A "purged stood test" helps the second problem somewhat - you take a strong laxative before gathering the stool sample, so that the resulting stool sample has more of the gunk clinging to the intestinal walls in it.- Re: On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed... cora
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- Re: On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed... shroom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 848,257Good, good advice. I would also mention that a Vit. C purge is super good at delivering evidence to the exit-point. Shroom
- Re: On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed... #55213
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MoreThis is a reply to # 848,257Its kind of ironic that its so easy to identify blasto which has yet to be definitively linked to pathology yet all the other more dangerous ones are almost impossible. By the way, there is a theory regarding blasto and why it is so difficult to irradicate. I myself have it and have taken all the regimens with no results. The theory is that blasto is harbored by a larger parasite such as a nematode that essentially protects it. Therefore the infection can continue indefinitely even with treatment. There are knowns relationships between the macro and micro parasites. Flukes are associated with salmonella, as well, there have been studies on using Antibiotics against the bacteria contained in specific parasites in order to irradicate them.
- Re: On the contrary, I WAS diagnosed... cora
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" #55213
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This is a reply to # 848,128the statements are based on couple years of reading literature. But I know specifically that Ivermectin and praziquantel both are associated with no side effects or toxicity in cases of uninfected patients. Praziquantel is rapidly absorbed but I know they recommend sometimes that it be taken with food to prevent nausea, as it is quite bitter. Fat increases the absorption of albendazole, which ialso has a low side effect profile. In fact, since you mentioned big macs, they actually did a clinical trial with albendazol, feeding the patients big macs which greatly increased the absorption, as it is fat soluble. Ivermectin absorption actually increases with ingestion of alcohol. 2 for one deal, killing worms and getting toasted. What was the dosage that you took of praziquantel? (how much and how often). Thiabendazole however is notorious for its side effects, but again I blieve this is parasite level related, as in my case, the side effects only occurred in the first few doses, then dissipated. Except the bad urine smell.- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,142
I've been on more than Praz. But to answer your questions - two rounds, two weeks apart: 6 600 mgs (3,600/per day) - which was one pill about every two to three hours.
Definative, graphic results.
But still eggs, larvae...although somewhat mutilated.
Resistance or reinfection?- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,149
Hate to disagree, but why am I having an LFT if Praziquantal and Albendazole are NON TOXIC???
I've taken both and have more rounds to go.- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,151
According to all I've read, and confirmed by pharm: Ivermectin is the only med (that we've discussed at least) which is considered "non-toxic".
Personally, I think air is toxic.
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" #55213
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This is a reply to # 848,149so you took what like 45mg/kg? for 3 days? The longer the better as the larvae migrate up to 14 days maybe more. Also, through in albendazol for greater effect. It increases the efficacy of praz with leass side effect. One you have felt the spasming death grip of flukes with praz you will NOT wish to repeat it. Take my word. But the dose I took was one and very low.... recipe for disaster.- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,174
We figured I'm less than 40 kilos (80-85lbs) so she prescrived one round (3,600mg) wait two weeks, repeat. I had already been on Albendazole. First was three 200mgs/day for two days, wait two weeks, repeat. After three weeks we bumped it up to 400mgs/day, wait two weeks, repeat.
However, the pharmacist I'm most in touch with thinks we should shorten the rounds, waiting more like a week, repeat.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT on the Praz. Much more severe side effects (liver? pain) - out of control. And weak as I am - I can take A LOT of pain. But this past week was pretty scary.
Die off has just become part of life for me long before the anti-helmetics (also on anti-fungals, was inititally, and still take). Die off and side effect ARE two different things/experiences, the way I see it. UNLESS the recent organ pain from Praz was actually something(s) dying. Only experienced this on the second (recent) round. Lots of nausea (tho this is common, just not as bad) the first time around. NOTHING negative with the Albendazole. Just success. I like it, but worry I've grown resistant. (Only because ONE pharmacist suggested it could be the case)
Albendazole is my favorite, but cannot be certain which is doing the job. You say take both at the same time? I can do this, but it was not exactly advised.
I"m lucky enough to have an MD who will listen and modify the agenda when it makes sense, even if I tell her that someone here said X, Y, or Z. She'll ask for links, lit, etc. and look further into things on her own. She's a thinker.
What might I propose to her next/now?
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This is a reply to # 848,185If you're working with someone who is open-minded, bravo!
I'd like to say that if you're experiencing pain from die-off, you should be taking cortisone (medicine or herbal form), to reduce inflammation. (I'd personally go for the herbal.) This is typically done for Albenza.- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,188
No pain from Alb - just once (for now four days) w Praz. Kind of surprised you'd suggest a steriod (cortisone is, right?) - unless herbal. I have not looked into herbal ones "persay", but take several tintures that are known to reduce inflamation.
Interesting suggestion. But I think I'll be okay. I try the mind over matter approach more than anything else.
O/T:
Per 5's post, I "hopped" (attempting the vernacular of a varmit!) over to this debate forum. Geez o peets!!
I posted a note to you. And I WILL hunt you down with my imaginary gun if you skadoodle out of frustration again - as I really do need another stuffed animal on my bed.
Even if you weren't smart...you'd still be fun. We need more fun, more of you.
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" #55213
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This is a reply to # 848,185
albendazole does effect flukes, particularly as they get older.
It also has cumulative effect with praz. so the dose of praz can be lowered.
There have been studies using both meds with flukes with less side effects than praz alone. what is she treating you for exactly. Was there a diagnosis? Because praz is not effective for fascioliasis (liver flukes). There are other therpeutic options avail including bithionol (from cdc) and triclabendazole from the manufacturer in switzerland. They would be willing to send it with a presciption from your doc even though its not sold in the US. There are blood tests for fascioliasis, might be worth it to check that otherwise you may be wasting your time with praz. Also, while its great that your doc is so open minded etc but how much experience does she actually have in treating this type of infection. Particularly if you have a diagnosis, you might consider finding a doc more experienced.- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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This is a reply to # 848,667
I can't even respond to most of what you've asked other than to suggest reading some of my posts. (Might want to be careful w the assumptions.) You'll learn that the team of doctors treating me have pretty extensive experience in treating paraistes (one has been at it for 30 years - has dedicated his life to exposing the truth of parasites and their ability to cause disease), and I have a blood (prick to slide to scope - not run of the mill labwork), sputum, ear and sinus swab diagnosis.
Thanks otherwise for the tips on Bithionol, the combo effects, etc. We're actually working on Bithionol and several other meds via the WHO and CDC. It's a work in progress - we might or might not go for more Rx's b/c we have other "designs"/means on the agenda. Again, a work in progress.
The problem more than anything else is that we are dealing with at least four different parasite species, and the infection (of at least one) began sometime before 1993 (first visible sign of eggs, but didn't know what they were until diagnosed two months or so ago). It's called the "it's all in your head - this is normal - here's a script for your tummy, your lungs, and your mind" diagnosis that failed me for and contributed to the all out overload.
I really do appreciate the advice - all but that I might want to seek a new doc. That's a real laugh, so I guess some degree of thanks (for the giggle) is in order.
- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" #55213
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This is a reply to # 848,809
Good for you. I guess you are one of the lucky ones then. As per my post, my suggestion was based on the amount of experience of your doc. Sorry if you misunderstood. But its better to be safe than sorry. Having an inexperienced doc treating you would be like having surgery by an intern. Have your symptoms improved at all with the meds? Also, if you are interested I have info on obtaining triclabendazole, which is currently the drug of choice for liver fluke but not avail in the U.S. Email me if you'd like me to send it to you.
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" rabbitears
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" cora
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- Re: "resistance" and "reinfection" rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 848,142I concur, I've read the same too:
"the statements are based on couple years of reading literature. But I know specifically that Ivermectin and praziquantel both are associated with no side effects or toxicity in cases of uninfected patients. Praziquantel is rapidly absorbed but I know they recommend sometimes that it be taken with food to prevent nausea, as it is quite bitter. Fat increases the absorption of albendazole, which ialso has a low side effect profile. In fact, since you mentioned big macs, they actually did a clinical trial with albendazol, feeding the patients big macs which greatly increased the absorption, as it is fat soluble. Ivermectin absorption actually increases with ingestion of alcohol. 2 for one deal, killing worms and getting toasted. What was the dosage that you took of praziquantel? (how much and how often). Thiabendazole however is notorious for its side effects, but again I blieve this is parasite level related," - @55213 : If it's possible, please sh... kocc6ny2
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This is a reply to # 848,142If it's possible, do you mind to post the names/sources of the literature you mentioned? I'd like to understand more of the reproductive cycles & clinical data on parasites. Thanks.
- Re: @55213 : If it's possible, pleas... #55213
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This is a reply to # 848,365
most of it is widely available through google search
some I read through private university portals
sorry cant help more.
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