You only did ONE liver flush? LOL.

Hiya 73074,

I understand your frustration and the relief you feel after getting rid of your gallbladder.

I suffered 23 gallbladder attacks before relenting to the knife at the tender age of 23. They found 23 Gallstones in my gallbladder. I had also turned yellow and was constantly miserable and in pain before it was removed. I suffered from infection due to prolonged gallbladder disease and frequent attacks, and so it took me longer to recover from my operation than one would expect from such a young person. These conditions passed after I healed, 5-6 weeks later (open surgery).

I also experienced the relief and freedom of being able to eat anything I wanted, whenever I wanted, following the surgery.

3 years later, I developed environmental allergies. Andreas Moritz pointed out that this is a common occurence and time frame. I also developed Arthritis in my hands and in one of my knees. Auto-immune problems are related to stones in the hepatic system and can occur even after the gallbladder is removed, because the stones come from the liver. At about the same time (around age 26) my migraines, which I'd had since the age of 16 (a sign of gallstones) suddenly became much worse - more frequent, more painful, and accompanied by nausea; all the "halo" symptoms which accompany migraines became more pronounced. Migraines are sometimes caused by Gallstones or hepatic stones.

Since it takes about 8 years for stones to grow to the size where they become symptomatic, I guess I started developing them around age 12 (the year I started eating fish I caught from the Great Lakes - which sometimes contain flukes). My gallbladder attacks started just before my 21st birthday. So the migraines, which I'd had since age 16, may have themselves been directly caused by (and so been an early symptom of) stones.

For years after my gallbladder was removed, I rejoiced, as you do, in my newly appreciated freedom to eat anything. But I gradually noticed that I still felt pinpoints of pain under my ribs on the right side. This was a puzzle, as surely, with my gallbladder out, I shouldn't still have gallstones! The pain points were small but definitely noticable. After finding this forum, now I understand that these points of pain were caused by stones and possibly liver flukes, which I had until recently (or possibly still do, I just haven't seen any recently).

After reading Andreas Moritz books on flushing and rejuvenation, I've learned that people who have had their gallbladder out often develop diabetes later in life. The reason? Their gallbladder is no longer there to give the correct amounts of concentrated bile to the intestines during digestion, particularly after fatty meals. The liver continues to make bile, but it is not concentrated to the degree which is most efficient for digestion of meat and fat, and it doesn't react as well to the presence of fat in the intestines. Since bile is released at a steady rate, the liver doesn't experience the miniflushes that occur with the presence of a gallbladder, which tends to draw more bile into it after it empties following a fatty meal. So the bile in the liver gradually becomes more and more stagnant. The pancreas, which makes many digestive enzymes (along with insulin), takes over as much of the burden of digesting fats as possible, but eventually it can wear out, with the result that diabetes has a strong possibility of developing.

So, now I really regret having my gallbladder removed. If I knew then what I know now...

I agree, it is a pain having to flush from time to time, particularly for people who are more prone than others to develop stones. However, now I have to undo years of damage because I did the obviously correct thing at that time - I had my gallbladder removed. It was do that, or die, and I didn't know any other way. Now, I am happy to be able to take charge of my health, and I choose to be healthy. I also choose to do something to prevent ill-health in years to come. I am researching ways to support my pancreas and spleen, and ways to reduce the burden so these organs need less support. Yes, it is uncomfortable, annoying, aggravating, and sometimes expensive, but it's worth it.

I'm glad you voiced your opinion. Your opinions are important and are shared by many people. I also shared your opinion until recently.

Good luck!

I am glad you are feeling well.
I am more scared of anesthesia than having a gallstone. My first trouble started 15 years ago and there was just a slight shadow on the ultrasound, my chiropractor told me it was more dangerous to have surgery than leaving it alone.
Of course at that time I did not even have a computer and do any searches. As hindsight it would have been great if I had the flushes then, my stone would never have turned into a 1" stone.

In early 2003 I got indigestion, backaches etc., my doctor sent me to a surgeon, but I have not gone back.
Most of the time I am symptom free, I keep the bile flowing with maintenance flushes so the stone does not have to compete with other stones. From reading it might be difficult to get this stone out, it might be too heavy or the gallbladder can't contract enough.

If for any reason you ever have symptoms again do the flush. We have had several people here who needed to do that because the liver was still clogged up.
Here is one example

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=165093

First off let me tell you that one time i came as close to being in your position as the preoperation room or whatever it was called. I was to have a surgery in the morning and they did a colonic on me in the evening and it saved me. I was feeling so much better that I refused the operation and went home. Then I started to research.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. Your problems are just starting.
All you needed was a couple af good colonics to make the space for the stones to come out. Instead those morons cut you up...
Of course it pays better to cut people up then to give them colonics.
Those idiots would even lie to you. Your "narrow bile duct" can expand up to one whole inch and develop maximum preasure of 11 PSI (with a normal working preasure of about 3 PSI) when needed.
There is no organ in the human body that could be beneficial to loose. One way or the other the body is going to be suffering...
A short term ability to eat everything will be punished very quickly.

Fortunately you are also quite wrong about "the idea that you must continually take vaste quantities of Epsom Salts and olive oil to be "well"".
The truth is people do it to clean themselves from the dietary mistakes of the past, from not knowing in the past about high fructose corn syrop and artificial flavors in their food and poisoning themselves. Once they are clean they know better and eat only organic food.
The lucky ones find out about clenses from friends, books or this forum, not so lucky get their wake-up call in the post surgery rehabilitation. The ignorant die.

I am in no way trying to offend you. On the other hand do not speak so easyly of the things you know very little of. Liver Cleanses saved lives.
I started a health group in my aria (MI) and with the information I supply about 20 people in my aria changed their life to the better. We have people going to organic farms (amish) on a regular basis to stock up for the group. We have reverse osmosis systems in our homes.

It is even quite cheaper to eat organic to tell you the truth...

The point is that the current system (food and drug manufacturers and doctors) does not need you to be healthy. We need to recognize it and if not fight it then at least work around it at all costs.

When I decided to write about my experience of having my gallbladder removed it was because there is always two sides to any argument. People looking for answers must have the opportunity to see the other point of view. I like the idea of "alternative" therapies purely on the basis of having an open mind. I also think that someone who studies for years in "conventional" medicine should not always be regarded as a charlatan out for just what he or she can get. I should imagine that many worried people come to sites like this and receive "wisdom" from people who have never had to face any evaluation of their "scientific" knowledge, or have had to to pass examination by a rigourous board of real scientific experts. I am not an expert medical or otherwise. Many people think there is a giant Conspiracy by the medical profession to protect their own interests and not let simple beneficial methods destroy the money making potential of modern medicine. There may be some justification in this thinking but I don't think it applies to most decent honest doctors and surgeons and I don't think they would go along with this Conspiracy if they thought that a "simple" method was the best solution. Alternative medicine eventually becomes conventional if it works. Above all please don't try to scare people with hints of dire consequences if they follow professional medical advice.