OJ fast tommorow 
Matrix101
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MH,
Tonight I am doing my fourth liver flush and plan on doing an orange juice fast for as long as I can. So I have a couple of questions for you.
1. Do you really eat almonds on this fast EACH day - ten at 8am and ten at 12 noon no matter how long you plan to do the fast?
2. You mention in your book to take R+R for three days after the liver flush 2 oz two hours before bed and 2 oz right before bed. What is R+R? I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. Do you mean taking more epsom salts and grapefruit after the liver flush?
3. Is it mandatory to soak in a bath each night for 20 minutes?
4. Can one omit the almonds if he/she feels strong enough?
Matrix
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MH,
Tonight I am doing my fourth liver flush and plan on doing an orange juice fast for as long as I can. So I have a couple of questions for you.
1. Do you really eat almonds on this fast EACH day - ten at 8am and ten and 12 noon no matter how long you plan to do the fast?
2. You mention in your book to take R+R for three days after the liver flush 2 oz two hours before bed and 2 oz right before bed. What is R+R? I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. Do you mean taking more epsom salts and grapefruit after the liver flush?
3. Is it mandatory to soak in a bath each night for 20 minutes?
4. Can one omit the almonds if he/she feels strong enough?
Matrix
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- Re: OJ fast tommorow bluandyelo
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,307Hi Matrix,
YAY!! Good luck with the fast! You will love it!
Hope you don't mind me butting in here!
I had the almonds the first 2 or 3 days and then stopped because I am not good at digesting almonds at the best of times, let alone when I am fasting. Also it felt disruptive to the fast. When I asked MH about it he said it was optional. But I did have olive oil every day and I do recommend this!! It felt great!!! I am sure it is a good thing to do for the liver while fasting.
Tell us how you go!
Peace- Blue - Olive oil, etc. anja
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This is a reply to # 718,310hey there, how much olive oil did you take each day? did you mix w/the OJ, or have alone? Did you feel nauseous with it at all? I know I sure feel icky with OO on empty stomach w/the liver flush.
So are you still doing well after the fast? I'm planning to spend the next couple months reading & researching it before I attempt it this Spring/Summer. I think I remember you mentioned in one of your posts that you might modify the fast if you did it again - if I'm correct on that, what would you change? I'm wondering if vegetable juices might be beter for me, or if there is something really significant about oranges in particular that can't be replaced effectively with any other juice. I tend to be kind of delicate, with low blood sugar, not underweight, exactly, but definitely not overweight in any way, and I still feel nervous about fasting. I know I have a lot of toxins to dump, still, and I'm also concerned about what that will feel like.
Sorry to bug you, anyway - just still gathering opinions. I just read here somewhere earlier today about someone having fainting spells on day 4, so it seems like there's a full spectrum of pros and cons, depending on the person.
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- Re: Blue - Olive oil, etc. bluandyelo
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,312Hi Anja,
I was taking anything from a tablespoon up to nearly half a cup of olive oil a day. Usually around a quater of a cup or a little less.
I never felt nauseous from it and I took it separately from the juice. It wasn't so hard for me, because I love olive oil and have found a great brand here in Australia which is beautiful! Other brands are very hard to take though!!
If I were doing the fast again I think I would do it more or less the same, except I would use distilled water which I still don't have! I have done vegetable juice fasts in the past, and this is just my opinion, but I don't think they are very good, compared to fruit. I would also like to try a long fast on pineapple juice in the future if I feel like it. Vegetables don't give me any feeling of transformation and lightness like fruit does, if anything I found they slowed me down. Fruit on the other hand makes me feel full of energy and as if I am transforming and moving forward. I think MH is right when he says most vegetable are full of big fat inorganic minerals sucked up from the soil. This is fine for eating, but not great for fasting I believe, I know millions will disagree.
Since the end of the fast I have been ok, but not as fantastic as I was on the fast. I have had gallbladder problems all my life, and they have not disappeared with the fast, I have had 2 attacks since the fast, and I think due to too much lemon juice some tooth enamel was eroding, and I had leg cramps. That is all the bad stuff. The good stuff is that I have maintained some sense of inner peace that I gained on the fast, and apart from the GB attacks I have felt pretty good. I have come to the conclusion that food robs everyone of energy, and if we could attune ourselves to nature perfectly our requirements would be so minimal and our energy sooo great that we wouldn't recognise our own inner worlds or perhaps our outer bodies. I miss the fast, it was fantastic!
I'm sure the fast effects everyone differently, and you just have to listen to your body and follow your intuition with something like this. There is no point in guilting yourself into it. You have to be excited and craving the opportunity to rejuvinate your body, mind and spirit, if you ask me, so just keep reading and asking all the questions you can think of and wait for the time when there are no more doubts and you find the thought of fasting more exciting than the thought of eating. Don't push yourself.
I had no bloodsugar issues on the fast at all. You are having juices every hour or so if you follow it by the book, so you shouldn't get to spaced out or shakey, and I imagine if you did you could just have an extra juice. MH says really weak people can follow the OJ with a carrot juice if they wish (I wouldn't personally, but I am not in that position). You may find your blood sugar regulates after a few days of fasting.
One thing I would do if I fasted again is keep a journal from day one, with weight, ph and number of juices and amount of olive oil.
Good luck!!
Peace
- Re: Blue - Olive oil, etc. anja
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,328thanks so much for your thoughts. I AM attracted to the idea of fasting, despite some of my fears. That's kind of how it was with the liver flushing.
I guess I need to get the First School Book, since I don't know the protocol for the OJ fast. I do have the free booklet, but I don't think it describes it in detail.
I have had a tough time transitioning to raw in the middle of Winter. On a few days, I got really, really chilled to the bone. I'm sure partly because my circulation is not great right now. I do have to say that for the most part, though, it does seem to digest better, and doesn't leave me with that heavy feeling that cooked food usually does. I'm hoping that a few months of raw this summer will make it easier to carry that into the colder months next Fall and Winter. I am not a hundred percent sold on the idea that 100% raw is appropriate in colder climates, but I'm being open minded about it. I think even meat can be medicinal in the right circumstances, very sparingly. My boyrfiend completely cured a little.... uh.... quick trigger problem by eating pork for a few weeks. It's possible, though, that if he ate a totally natural diet, he wouldn't have had the problem in the first place. Who knows.... - Re: Blue - Olive oil, etc. joylovepeace
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This is a reply to # 718,328Hi
You know this is just me thinking out loud but I thought I would throw it out there, do you think its possible that all of the oil you consumed during your fast slowed down your cleansing? I mean its when the body is cut off from calories that it truly goes into a seek and distroy mode. Old tissue is what is used for energy. Fat are the greatest engery providers at 9 calories per gram. And you say you didnt loose much weight right?
When I get sick I can chomp on nuts all day and never feel hungry and they provide a wonderful clear energy with no highs and lows like carbohydrate, I also never get into cleansing mode when I eat nuts. I usually have to force myself to cut out the nuts and just eat fruit. Then my skin clears and the mucus goes away. (my skin gets real crappy during illness). I used to take fish oil and noticed the same effect.
Its a pretty cut and dry response for me. For me personally only fruits and veggies are cleansing.
Again just me thinking out loud.- Re: another thought joylovepeace
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This is a reply to # 718,342I was just reading about how it is the enzymes in fruits and veggies that help heal the body during a fast from other foods; by allowing the tissues to rest adn the immune system to do its job fully. This book stated that when we eat food without enzymes the white blood cells are increased to help out with digestion, when these white cells are taken away from doing their job the immune system is weakened. Perhaps your immune system was too busy with the oil to be seeking out and destroying infected and worn out cells. ?
(The book went on to say that those with food allergies can rid their allergies by consuming plant enzymes along with their food, this calms down the immune system reactions.)
Again just me thinking out loud, I am no scientist just a dietitian, who likes to ponder WHY.- Re: another thought anja
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This is a reply to # 718,343I was thinking the same thing about whether consuming olive oil during a fast is really fasting, although I wonder if everyone's needs are different, and it might be necessary for some. I don't know... I think I read the reason to take it is to keep the liver & gallbladder working and pushing stuff out, otherwise I guess they would sort of go to sleep during a fast, since it's fat that makes the liver/GB release bile? Would you want a back-up of bile, or does the body not produce enough bile to "back up" if one isn't consuming any fat? When you "fast" from fats the day of a liver flush, the reason is to allow bile pressure to build up in the liver & gallbladder so that the stones are forcefully expelled when you do the OO/Grapefruit that night. So wouldn't you get a major back-up of bile pressure during a fast if you consumed no fats for weeks at a time?
It's all very confusing....- Re: another thought fsnaturelady
19 y
2,333
This is a reply to # 718,348Hi,
I believe that MH suggests taking the oil every night once the liver flushes are done is so that the stones will not form again in the gall bladder and liver. He'd have to tell you the science.
Kindest thoughts.
fsnaturelady
- Re: another thought fsnaturelady
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- Re: another thought bluandyelo
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,343Hi Joylovepeace,
I think you could be very right about the oil. It has ocurred to me before that it might be slowing things down.
I just don't know, because otherwise I felt so good. And I think the oil does keep the liver and GB in good condition. On previous fasts my liver/GB has felt sore and dry if that makes sense.
I may try the fast again without the oil, and I would love to hear what other people end up doing. I have a lot of fear when it comes to my liver/GB because I have had so many years of pain there. I think this fear can sometimes get in the way of my thoughts about health and healing. I get very confused!! I think I asked MH if the oil would slow down the fasting process and he said no, but maybe it did in my case!
As you said I didn't lose a LOT of weight on the fast and I'm sure the oil had a lot to do with this, which was kind of good because it seems like my body stopped losing at exactly the right size, but then there is still a lot of other stuff that didn't heal!
Very confused!!!
Peace
- Re: another thought anja
19 y
2,493
This is a reply to # 718,351I just thought of something about your liver/gallbladder. Have you ever had anyone trained in "visceral manipulation" work on you? My boyrfriend is a bodyworker and knows something about this, although it's not his area of specialty. I saw a D.O. a few years ago who did it, and she said that my gallbladder was sort of twisted, and there was a direct connection with that torsion to my right ovary, which I also have problems with. She did some very subtle work that I really felt some release from, though I only saw her once and it didn't have a long lasting effect. That might have been before I started flushing, I can't remember. I saw a craniosacral therapist for awhile who also thought my gallbladder was "malpositioned" and the ducts twisted. I imagine there are any number of reasons why organs could be mal-positioned - skeletal misalignments, rib cage compression or torsion, etc., and it seems as though all this can be corrected over time. I don't know how much time or money you have to throw at the problem, but that might be worth exploring if you're still having trouble. I also figured out how to sort of "milk" my gallbladder, or get things to squirt in there, anyway, which has relieved more than one "liver/gallbladder" headache for me, and sometimes helps a feeling of pain and congestion in there. I basically just tried to mimic what my boyfriend had done when he was working on it, and it seemed to respond.
anyhow, I don't know if any of that might be useful for you! :)- Re: another thought bluandyelo
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,365Thanks Anja! This is very useful information for me as my old yoga teacher who has left my city used to stop the GB attacks with a 5 second bit of manipultaion/massage!! I think you have hit the nail on the head, it really feels more like a machanical problem than a chemical one if you know what I mean, but when you mention the link between your ovary and GB it really got me excited because I almost always get a few GB attacks every month when I am premenstrual! So there must be an estrogen link in there as well. I am actually in the middle of an attack right now, but it feels like a mild one.
I am due to get my period today, I can't wait because soon after my GB will calm down. I am going to try and find someone who does visceral manipulation here, I have never heard of it outside of this forum. What do they do exactly? Thank you for your thoughtful input!! I am now excited about finally fixing this again!! :D
Peace
- Re: another thought bluandyelo
19 y
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- Re: another thought anja
19 y
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- Re: another thought anja
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- Re: another thought joylovepeace
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- Re: Blue - Olive oil, etc. anja
19 y
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- Anja kimber27
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,312
I don't mean to butt in but I too had problems with low blood sugar but I did the lemonade fast added extra syrup and I was fine with it. As a matter of fact I never felt better and I can't wait to do it again. This time I'm trying 40 days, that should make me shiny clean (on the inside) lol. I did have some serious detox symptoms a few times but knowing what to do ahead of time took care of that. ie: enemas, lots of water and being able to lay down. Thats why I have to wait till the summer, I don't work when schools out and I will be able to stay home and rest throught the first couple of days. Hope this helps a little. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Kimber- Re: Anja anja
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,333thanks for the suggestions! I thought, too, that I would start it during a week when I could take some time off. I'm fortunate to be self-employed working from home and have a certain amount of flexibility with my hours, although there are still daily deadlines and pressures. It sure has helped during any kind of bowel cleansing, though - to be un-selfconscoiusly near a toilet at all times! :)
- Re: Anja kimber27
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,349
My pleasure. Doing the MC requires being close to the toliet - lol - I just stayed at home and worked in the yard & garden, which I intend to do again. I do drink the lemonade for breakfast and lunch alot though, I just love that stuff :)
Take care,
Kimber
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- Re: Anja anja
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- Re: Blue - Olive oil, etc. bluandyelo
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- Re: OJ fast tommorow Matrix101
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This is a reply to # 718,310bluandyelo,
Oh, feel free to butt in anytime. I welcome your insights and experiences. I know MH says that his fast are guidelines and not rigid rules. Knowing that almonds were optional for you helps me discern what I may do in the future.
How long did you fast for? Did you do any special baths with oregano oil or epsom salts?
Thanks alot,
Matrix
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bluandyelo,
Oh, feel free to but in anytime. I welcome your insights and experiences. I know MH says that his fast are guidelines and not rigid rules. Knowing that almonds were optional for you helps me discern what I may do in the future.
How long did you fast for? Did you do any special baths with oregano oil or epsom salts?
Thanks alot,
Matrix- Re: OJ fast tommorow bluandyelo
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,327Hi Matrix,
I fasted for 40 days, and loved pretty much every minute of it. Unfortunately I don't have a bath tub so I couldn't do the baths, but I am certain they would have accelerated the detox process, as would distilled water, which I also didn't have!
Poster 19236 also did 40 days, and I am pretty sure she didn't eat the almonds either. It is probably really good for you, but it doesn't feel like a fast to me when I am eating.
I was taking oregano oil every day with the olive oil, sometimes quite a lot, like 10 drops of pure oregano mixed in olive oil. I am continuing with this still.
If you have a tub make use of it! It will definitely help. I went to my parents' place during the fast and was able to use their tub once, and so much dead skin came off me when I rubbed my skin!
I put oregano and lemon myrtle oils in there, it was great! Lemon myrtle oil is so nice!
Peace
- Re: OJ fast tommorow bluandyelo
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- Blue - Olive oil, etc. anja
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- Re: OJ fast tommorow MH 108
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,307Greetings,
The almonds is an anti-cancer/tumor method, yes, it can be left out, there are no set rules.
Don't want a bath, not needed.
R&R is a Epsom Salts/herbal formula, again, it is not needed, just do the Dr. Clark method.
If you want to be succesful with the orange juice fasting, you need to follow the rules of one or more bowel movements daily.
People do not realize what this fasting with orange juice can and does do, unless they read a few medical books on it. My dr. Jackson Book on orange juice fasting is far more advanced than my first book and takes the student into a whole new way of living with Nature. Step by Step, people need to take their time and learn, then they will have no fears.
Blessings,
MH- supplements on fast Matrix101
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,361MH,
What other supplements can I take besides LBB and the dewormer during this OJ fast?
I was thinking of using acidophollis, super-green capsules, and colostrum. Is it ok to do or just omit these for the time being?
Matrix- Re: supplements on fast MH 108
19 y
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This is a reply to # 718,381All powdered, tea cut, tinctured or syrup herbs are Ok.
The less you use the stronger the fast will be. A little fresh pineapple does well. All fresh prepared vegetable juice is allowed also.
The one doctor way was 1 pint of orange juice and up to 1 pint of vegetable juice per day maximum to acheive the 5X red blood cells in 14 days. The more drink you consume, the longer it will take to acheive the red blood cell count. I tell people there is zero hurry, what ever method your happy with is better than eating what you were use to eating.
Blessings,
MH
- Re: supplements on fast MH 108
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- supplements on fast Matrix101
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- Re: OJ fast tommorow bluandyelo
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