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Well, Brian Shilhavy (currently 7546) and I seem to disagree on most everything it seems. This is not that I do not feel he is very knowledgeable in many areas, but I feel he is very biased. And since it is his company, I guess he is allowed to be. A person would naturally have an affinity for their own product, but since he is so biased his opinion holds much less validity for me. He is much too defensive I feel in even discussing many different aspects of virgin coconut oil, including the ensyme issue. I am not posting this to have his defensiveness placed at me, but I think there is another side that he is not even considering as even a possibility of validity. I am posting this other side with an article of Annette Fischer from Wilderness Family Naturals that explains it better than I can, plus she is more knowledgable than I am. Take special note particularly of the point I wish to be emphasied and that is not all ensymes are digestive ensymes as most people are only familiar with.
You know, it strikes me as puzzling that Brian will not answer email that is sent to his company but he will take the time to troll this board for his marketing purposes of Tropical Traditions. And for the record I feel like Guploo and Hoppy are doing a lot of marketing on their own for Nutiva. Moderator, is there any way to tone down all this marketing? I'd prefer this to be a forum to discuss coconut oil and other health issues, not to be used as covert or other marketing ploys.
Message of Annette's:
I too was at the IFEX tradeshow and met with the Virgin Coconut Oil Association and many people in the coconut oil business a few months ago. I have been to several coconut processing plants and spoken with others from other countries who also process virgin coconut oil as well as RBD coconut oil.
I can honestly tell you a few things about heat and coconut oil.
First of all I have personally placed my hand on the cylinders that are pressing out coconut milk at a centrifuged facility and a fermentation facility and there was absolutely no heat there at all. The coconut milk when it is pressed out is room temperature at both places. There is no heat, at least at the virgin coconut oil facilities I have been to. When anything is transported on the ocean it is not hot either. In the tropics it is warmer than in the US, but the ocean is like a cooler in the summer and a heater in the winter. The ocean because of it's mass does not change
temperature as much as the land.
Secondly, I can honestly say that there are virgin coconut oils produced that are never heated. We have personally evaluated over 30 different virgin coconut oils and found a correlation between free fatty acids and heat used during processing. Those that have perfected the virgin coconut oil production not using any heat, based on our evaluation have the best oils. Having said that, I must also say that heat has not been our sole criteria in evaluating the oils. For example, we evaluated a coconut oil
made by a cold centrifuge process that was never heated at any time, yet it was rather bland tasting. The certificate of analysis was great, but we knew our customers would not like it and even though it had a very low melting point (which is also indicative of a virgin coconut oil that has not been heated) I thought some customers would consider it to be RBD oil because it was so bland tasting.
One link you might want to look at is our page on how RBD coconut oil is made. Ken took pictures at a copra mill when we were in the Philippines so people can see for themselves how copra is made, what it looks like, and know how this coconut oil is made. I also went to a large RBD coconut oil producer and spent time talking with them.
http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/store/refined_coconut_oil.htm
The problem with some virgin coconut oils is that they do see 180-200 degrees F at the end of their processing and this does effect some of the oils properties. Most RBD coconut oil sees much higher processing temperatures than this and quite a bit of processing. The University of the Philippines discovered that micro nutrients are altered at temperatures above 155
degrees F. In addition to this people who are leading the raw food
movement, who are researching enzyme nutrition say there are enzymes in all foods and they are destroyed with heat. Now I know there has been controversy over all of this, but there is a lot of misinformation as well.
Please remember when you read that enzymes are dormant until they are activated by water and there is no moisture in coconut oil, and that all enzymes are not digestive enzymes. There are many, many enzymes in both plants and animals.
You can measure the frequencies every living thing gives off. These frequencies can actually give you a reading on how much "life" is in the animal, plant, or food. A freshly picked carrot will have a band of frequencies that it radiates and as it is stored in a root cellar over the months these frequencies will be come weaker and weaker until finally, when it is at the place it would not grow if planted in your garden, there will only be a weak frequency of a single band width. Radionics is based on this
exact finding. When you test coconut oil that has been heated there is no energy picked up from it and when the oil is "raw" the readings vary depending on the process, but they are much higher. The coconut oil that is made with enzymes will have the highest "energy" of all the coconut oils provided it is not heated. There seems to be a link between frequencies (energy) emitting from food, plants and animals and the enzymes contained in them.
The following is a 3 part article done for nexus magazine. It talks about enzymes and will help people to get a general understanding of what people are talking about when they talk about enzyme nutrition and enzymes being destroyed by heat, etc.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Enzymes1.html
Here is more info on enzymes that you may find less technical and easier to understand.
http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_enzyme_nutrition.ht
ml
All the information says that 118 degrees F (and some say lower) will destroy enzymes. 50 degrees C is 122 degrees F. However, when it comes to transportation on the ocean, storage in a warehouse, etc, these are all temperatures people and their enzymes can live at. The temperatures are all under 110 degrees and for our oils it is usually under 76 degrees on the ocean, in the 80's or 90's at the most in California, and then it comes to cold country where we live. When the oil arrives here, even though it has been over a week since arriving on the west coast the oil is still a solid even in August. That means it has still not gotten above 76 degrees F! (The oil is a very hard solid in January and because we are very careful about heat it takes about a week to "thaw" the barrels.) Whatever the temperatures, it is not likely that the ambient temperatures any foods are exposed to will kill their enzymes. The problem is when you cook or heat your food. I am not a total raw foodist, but I do believe raw foods are good and important, and should be a good part of a healthy diet.
Blessings,
Annette
Wilderness Family Naturals
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Well, Brian Shilhavy (currently 7145) and I seem to disagree on most everything it seems. This is not that I do not feel he is very knowledgeable in many areas, but I feel he is very biased. And since it is his company, I guess he is allowed to be. A person would naturally have an affinity for their own product, but since he is so biased his opinion holds much less validity for me. He is much too defensive I feel in even discussing many different aspects of virgin coconut oil, including the ensyme issue. I am not posting this to have his defensiveness placed at me, but I think there is another side that he is not even considering as even a possibility of validity. I am posting this other side with an article of Annette Fischer from Wilderness Family Naturals that explains it better than I can, plus she is more knowledgable than I am. Take special note particularly of the point I wish to be emphasied and that is not all ensymes are digestive ensymes as most people are only familiar with.
You know, it strikes me as puzzling that Brian will not answer email that is sent to his company but he will take the time to troll this board for his marketing purposes of Tropical Traditions. And for the record I feel like Guploo and Hoppy are doing a lot of marketing on their own for Nutiva. Moderator, is there any way to tone down all this marketing? I'd prefer this to be a forum to discuss coconut oil and other health issues, not to be used as covert or other marketing ploys.
Message of Annette's:
I too was at the IFEX tradeshow and met with the Virgin Coconut Oil Association and many people in the coconut oil business a few months ago. I have been to several coconut processing plants and spoken with others from other countries who also process virgin coconut oil as well as RBD coconut oil.
I can honestly tell you a few things about heat and coconut oil.
First of all I have personally placed my hand on the cylinders that are pressing out coconut milk at a centrifuged facility and a fermentation facility and there was absolutely no heat there at all. The coconut milk when it is pressed out is room temperature at both places. There is no heat, at least at the virgin coconut oil facilities I have been to. When anything is transported on the ocean it is not hot either. In the tropics it is warmer than in the US, but the ocean is like a cooler in the summer and a heater in the winter. The ocean because of it's mass does not change
temperature as much as the land.
Secondly, I can honestly say that there are virgin coconut oils produced that are never heated. We have personally evaluated over 30 different virgin coconut oils and found a correlation between free fatty acids and heat used during processing. Those that have perfected the virgin coconut oil production not using any heat, based on our evaluation have the best oils. Having said that, I must also say that heat has not been our sole criteria in evaluating the oils. For example, we evaluated a coconut oil
made by a cold centrifuge process that was never heated at any time, yet it was rather bland tasting. The certificate of analysis was great, but we knew our customers would not like it and even though it had a very low melting point (which is also indicative of a virgin coconut oil that has not been heated) I thought some customers would consider it to be RBD oil because it was so bland tasting.
One link you might want to look at is our page on how RBD coconut oil is made. Ken took pictures at a copra mill when we were in the Philippines so people can see for themselves how copra is made, what it looks like, and know how this coconut oil is made. I also went to a large RBD coconut oil producer and spent time talking with them.
http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/store/refined_coconut_oil.htm
The problem with some virgin coconut oils is that they do see 180-200 degrees F at the end of their processing and this does effect some of the oils properties. Most RBD coconut oil sees much higher processing temperatures than this and quite a bit of processing. The University of the Philippines discovered that micro nutrients are altered at temperatures above 155
degrees F. In addition to this people who are leading the raw food
movement, who are researching enzyme nutrition say there are enzymes in all foods and they are destroyed with heat. Now I know there has been controversy over all of this, but there is a lot of misinformation as well.
Please remember when you read that enzymes are dormant until they are activated by water and there is no moisture in coconut oil, and that all enzymes are not digestive enzymes. There are many, many enzymes in both plants and animals.
You can measure the frequencies every living thing gives off. These frequencies can actually give you a reading on how much "life" is in the animal, plant, or food. A freshly picked carrot will have a band of frequencies that it radiates and as it is stored in a root cellar over the months these frequencies will be come weaker and weaker until finally, when it is at the place it would not grow if planted in your garden, there will only be a weak frequency of a single band width. Radionics is based on this
exact finding. When you test coconut oil that has been heated there is no energy picked up from it and when the oil is "raw" the readings vary depending on the process, but they are much higher. The coconut oil that is made with enzymes will have the highest "energy" of all the coconut oils provided it is not heated. There seems to be a link between frequencies (energy) emitting from food, plants and animals and the enzymes contained in them.
The following is a 3 part article done for nexus magazine. It talks about enzymes and will help people to get a general understanding of what people are talking about when they talk about enzyme nutrition and enzymes being destroyed by heat, etc.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Enzymes1.html
Here is more info on enzymes that you may find less technical and easier to understand.
http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_enzyme_nutrition.ht
ml
All the information says that 118 degrees F (and some say lower) will destroy enzymes. 50 degrees C is 122 degrees F. However, when it comes to transportation on the ocean, storage in a warehouse, etc, these are all temperatures people and their enzymes can live at. The temperatures are all under 110 degrees and for our oils it is usually under 76 degrees on the ocean, in the 80's or 90's at the most in California, and then it comes to cold country where we live. When the oil arrives here, even though it has been over a week since arriving on the west coast the oil is still a solid even in August. That means it has still not gotten above 76 degrees F! (The oil is a very hard solid in January and because we are very careful about heat it takes about a week to "thaw" the barrels.) Whatever the temperatures, it is not likely that the ambient temperatures any foods are exposed to will kill their enzymes. The problem is when you cook or heat your food. I am not a total raw foodist, but I do believe raw foods are good and important, and should be a good part of a healthy diet.
Blessings,
Annette
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- Great work Caitlin. guploo
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This is a reply to # 662,493I agree 100% with everything said about coconut oil and very informative. You explained it so well, even I couldn't do a job this good.
However, the comment about me and hoppy is very judgemental and way out of line.
I have read your posts for a long time now and always regarded them. I was surprised to find out Brian S is the same 7546 person I been arguing with for days. The reason I got into argument with him was exactly the one you mentioned, he gets defensive. Not only that, he got offensive also.
Whatever made you think guploo and hoppy are marketing for Nutiva? Same way I can say you are marketing for wilderness family. This is the product you like and like to tell people about it, same way I liked something and wrote about it. I didnt even know of the product you talk about until I read the last 2 posts. Will it be wrong to say, you got defensive also? I wonder why, I am really at loss.
I am a long time member of CZ, I write in every forum and I write about the products I use (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, LIKE YOU DO TOO), does this mean we all are marketing them? If you want to see the receipt of Nutiva I ordered and received on 26th of feb, 2005( which was mentioned in one of the posts), I can scan and email it to you, so you know I personally bought it from someone, for my personal use. It wont say guploo though, as it was ordered with a real name and not a username. If it has the email listed, then that will say guploo@myemail. If that doesnt clarify your suspicion, you can call the vendor to make sure I didn't make up that receipt.
As for raw and heated goes, years of chronic fatigue, incapacitating pains and auto immune issues taught me about raw foods, where I found relief and UTTERLY beleive God didn't heat anything, why should we? Less heat the better. That was my only point. To top that Nutiva tasted and smelled heavenly. But I got bombarded left and right.
Now that I read more messages, you openly talk about coconut supreme and WFN, isnt that considered marketing? Don't we need a moderator for that?
I didn't go telling people Caitlin is marketing WHATEVER brand, I didnt even think that way, until I read your post.
Please understand, this is an open forum, where we can write about anything that helped us and can help others, to better our health and our lives, as long as we are not selling it and NOT OFFENDING ANYONE.
Peace
gup
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I agree 100% with everything said about cocnut oil and very informative. You explained it so well, even I couldn't do a job this good.
However, the comment about me and hoppy is very judgemental and way out of line.
I have read your posts for a long time now and always regarded them. I was surprised to find out Brian S is the same 7546 person I been arguing with for days. The reason I got into argument with him was exactly the what you mentioned, he gets defensive. Not only that he got offensive also.
Whatever made you think guploo and hoppy are marketing for Nutiva? Same way I can say you are marketing for wilderness family. This is the product you like and like to tell people about it, same way I liked something and wrote about it. I didnt even know of the product you talk about until I read the last 2 posts. Will it be wrong to say, you got defensive also? I wonder why, I am really at loss.
I am a long time member of CZ, I write in every forum and I write about the products I use (LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, LIKE YOU TOO), does this mean we all are marketing them? If you want to see the receipt of Nutiva I ordered and received on 26th of feb, 2005, I can scan and email it to you, so you know I personally bought it from someone, for my personal use. It wont say guploo though, as it was ordered with a real name and not a username. If it has the email listed, then that will say guploo@myemail. If that doesnt clarify your suspicion, you can call the vendor to make sure I didn't make up that receipt.
As for raw and heated goes, years of chronic fatigue, incapacitating pains and auto immune issues taught me about raw foods, where I found relief and UTTERLY beleive God didn't heat anything, why should we? Less heat the better. That was my only point. To top that Nutiva tasted and smelled heavenly. But I got bombarded left and right.
I didn't go telling people Caitlin is marketing WHATEVER brand, I didnt even think that way, until I read your post.
Please understand, this is an open forum, where we can write anything that helped us and can help others, AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT OFFENDING ANYONE.
Peace
gup- Re: Great work Caitlin. MentalNomad
19 y
2,952
This is a reply to # 662,524I guess the title was all that was commending eh? I think you've went just a bit over the top here...and yes it was my opinion that you were marketing considering that almost every single message I read of yours was promoting Nutiva on this forum. (In fact the only ones I remember not being related are the two I've read that you posted today) You will notice that I am very fond of WFN, and mention it whenever anyone asks which oil they should buy. But you will also notice that a huge portion of my messages is just full of useful and what I hope to be helpful information, not promoting my favorite brand. And that difference right there is what throws up a flag in the mind that it is marketing going on. It is always easy to spot TT people on this board (this is the 3rd time actually they have tried to infiltrate this forum) because they in no wise look like a consumer and only proport TT. Also they leave as soon as their skirt is uncovered for being who they are. I do not mind someone from a company being on here, but I like knowing that is them, not them trying to be secretive you know? Also I know Brian's style as I've had quite a bit of unpleasant dealings with him. And I am sorry if my opinion of you was incorrect, and do apoligize for that. Until recently I had never seen you on CZ, if you have been here longterm then it has been in other forums that I do not frequent. I have been on CZ for about 2 1/2 years, so your screenname was new to me--another flag there. I just recently saw you on the Oxygen Therapies forum. And now I see you are the url kind of guy, placing lots of urls. Which was actually another flag in my mind. Then your message //www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=299&i=1307 was encouraging Johnny Vegas to become a distrubitor and was talking about being a businessman and making money while taking the best tasting coconut oil. So you see all the flags that came up? :) But a person is innocent till proven guilty, but I also have the freedom of speech to express my opinion when I THINK something is going on (not to say that I'm right, as I do not seem to be this time). This is one of my most favorite forums, I just do not want to see it get taken over by marketing you see? I am sure you can understand that. But I am not at all wishing that our personal experiences and favorite brands not be discussed, that is not what I am saying at all. So now you see I hope you better understand where I am coming from as well and what made me think you were marketing. We both should now. ;)
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I guess the title was all that was commending eh? I think you've went just a bit over the top here...and yes it was my opinion that you were marketing considering that almost every single message I read of yours was promoting Nutiva. (In fact the only ones I remember not being related are the two I've read that you posted today) You will notice that I am very fond of WFN, and mention it whenever anyone asks which oil they should buy. But you will also notice that a huge portion of my messages is just full of useful and what I hope to be helpful information, not promoting my favorite brand. And that difference right there is what throws up a flag in the mind that it is marketing going on. It is always easy to spot TT people on this board (this is the 3rd time actually they have tried to infiltrate this forum) because they in no wise look like a consumer and only proport TT. Also they leave as soon as their skirt is uncovered for being who they are. I do not mind someone from a company being on here, but I like knowing that is them, not them trying to be secretive you know? Also I know Brian's style as I've had quite a bit of unpleasant dealings with him. And I am sorry if my opinion of you was incorrect, and do apoligize for that. Until recently I had never seen you on CZ, if you have been here longterm then it has been in other forums that I do not frequent. I just recently saw you on the Oxygen Therapies forum. And now I see you are the url kind of guy, placing lots of urls. Which is another flag in my mind. This is one of my most favorite forums, I just do not want to see it get taken over by marketing you see? I am sure you can understand that. But I am not at all wishing that our personal experiences and favorite brands not be discussed, that is not what I am saying at all. So now you see I hope you better understand where I am coming from as well. We both should now. ;)- Jumping to conclusions real fast. guploo
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How did I went a little over top, when you were the one to accuse me of something I haven't done?
Go back a few pages and start reading from iloveyoshi's message. It started out as a simple conversation, she/he asked about Nutiva and I told him/her what I thought of it. Few more joined in and we were having a discussion, when 7546 had to jump in and rule out all of us. After that it was a heated argument. Everywhere you seen me write about Nutiva, was because I was in an argument.
Another time I mentioned Nutiva, cuz this user said they ended up buying a refined product. THATS WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT, TO GUIDE OTHERS. I knew of something better and I told him/her.
You like to jump to conclusions and accuse, thats your choice. I come here to help and learn, not to waste my time explaining. You accused me of ...
"(In fact the only ones I remember not being related are the two I've read that you posted today)". What do you think, I come here with some planning, that today I am going to post a link of Nutiva and tomorow I wont, cuz Caitlin might think this, so I need to be careful and look good, etc etc. This is ridiculous.
Innocent, proven guilty, what not, sorry ma'am, but this is not the purpose of CZ.
You been a member for 2-1/2 years and you dont know how to check a user's records? All you had to do was type in 'guploo' in the search field and it will bring up all the forums I visit and 100s of messages I have posted.
Read my post to Johnny Vegas again. It's extremely motivating, but you don't cease to attack me of something I am not guilty of. What could be my interest in HIM becoming a distributor of EITHER of the oils I have mentioned? Why wouldn't I sell it myself?
Read all the messages I have posted on CZ and you will see the PORTION where my posts are informative. URL guy or whatever, thats my way of educating myself and showing others the way. Cant help it if ya don't like it. It's not a sin, it's not against the rules yet I get accused for posting URL's? Hilarious.
I can never be a URL guy, as I am a gal.
How can placing lot's of URL's can flag anything?
I have never heard of such a silly thing before.
I am more honest and open and unbiased than anyone you will ever meet. I dont know how does it matter if you like a business person here or not. I have no problem with coming ahead and saying, hey ! this is who I am. Whatever made you think I have the need to hide.
Accusations is not a freedom of speech.
I am off to candida, or peroxide, or dental or any other forum and done with this nagging.
cya
gup
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How did I went a little over top, when you were the one to accuse me of something I haven't done?
Go back a few pages and start reading from iloveyoshi's message. It started out as a simple conversation, she asked about Nutiva and I told her what I thought of it. Few more joined in and we were discussing, when 7546 had to jump in and rule out all of us. After that it was a heated argument. Everywhere you seen me write about Nutiva, was because I was in an argument.
Another time I mentioned Nutiva, cuz this user said they ended up buying a refined product. THATS WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT, TO GUIDE OTHERS. I knew of something better and I told him/her.
You like to jump to conclusions and accuse, I really have no desire to cure it. I come here to help and learn, not to waste my time explaining. You accused me of ...
"(In fact the only ones I remember not being related are the two I've read that you posted today)". What do you think, I come here with some planning, that today I am going to post a link of Nutiva and tomorow I wont, cuz Caitlin might think this, so I need to be careful and look good, etc etc. This is ridiculous.
Innocent, proven guilty, what not, sorry ma'am, but this is not the purpose of CZ.
You been a member of 2-1/2 years and you dont know how to check a user's records? All you had to do was type in my name in the search field and it will bring up all the forums I visit and 100s of messages I have posted.
Read my post to Johnny Vegas again. It's extremely motivating, but you don't cease to attack me of something I am not guilty of. What could be my interest in HIM becoming a distributor of EITHER of the oils I have mentioned? Why wouldn't I sell it myself?
Read all the messages I have posted on CZ and you will see the PORTION where my posts are informative. URL guy or whatever, thats my way of educating myself and showing others the way. Cant help it if ya don't like it. It's not a sin, it's not against the rules yet I get accused for posting URL's? Hilarious.
I can never be a URL guy, as I am a gal.
How can placing lot's of URL's can flag anything?
I have never heard of such a silly thing before.
I am more honest and open and unbiased than anyone you will ever meet. I dont know how does it matter if you like a business person here or not. I have no problem with coming ahead and saying, hey ! this is who I am. Whatever made you think I have the need to hide.
Accusations is not a freedom of speech.
I am off to candida, or peroxide, or dental or any other forum and done with this nagging.
cya
gup
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- I'm the one jumping? MentalNomad
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This is a reply to # 662,531I am sorry to have offended you but really, you are getting offended over such a trivial thing. I didn't accuse you of anything, read my post again I said and I quote "I feel that hoppy and guploo". I feel. That is not accusing, that is stating my opinion. You are being way over defensive and I really do not understand it. You asked me why I felt like you were marketing, I explain myself then you pick apart everything I said. Is that why you asked me, just to say against? Wether it makes sense or not how I reasoned that is how I did it. After all, my name is MentalNomad is it not? :) I am sorry to have offended you in any way. You could have calmly corrected me, I apoligized for being wrong, what more is it you would like of me? I am not sure why such offensiveness toward me. If you've read my several hundred messages all over CZ you would see that I am a nice person interested in helping people too. The fact that I said something wrong, thought something wrong about you, said one little sentence you did not like does not make me a bad person. Well, it started out with one little sentence, I guess my last post ended up being more...but that was not what I meant to do, I was just explaining myself and how I feel. That is all. No need to get sideways over such a small thing. I think we should be able to post side by side with no problems if you can just find it in your heart to forgive one little error in thinking on my part. And I hope that you can as you can post valuable information here just as me, and offer new perspectives. Again, I am sorry for hurting your feelings, that was not my intention and I hope you can understand that. Most Sincerely, Caitlin Lorraine
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I am sorry to have offended you but really, you are getting offended over such a trivial thing. I didn't accuse you of anything, read my post again I said and I quote "I feel that hoppy and guploo". I feel. That is not accusing, that is stating my opinion. You are being way over defensive and I really do not understand it. You asked me why I felt like you were marketing, I explain myself then you pick apart everything I said. Is that why you asked me, just to say against? Wether it makes sense or not how I reasoned that is how I did it. After all, my name is MentalNomad is it not? :) I am sorry to have offended you in any way. You could have calmly corrected me, I apoligized for being wrong, what more is it you would like of me? I am not sure why such offensiveness toward me. If you've read my several hundred messages all over CZ you would see that I am a nice person interested in helping people too. The fact that I said something wrong, thought something wrong about you, said one little sentence you did not like does not make me a bad person. Well, it started out with one little sentence, I guess my last post ended up being more...but that was not what I meant to do, I was just explaining myself and how I feel. That is all. No need to get sideways over such a small thing. I think we should be able to post side by side with no problems if you can just find it in your heart to forgive one little error in thinking on my part. And I hope that you can as you can post valuable information here just as me, and offer new perspectives. Again, I am sorry for hurting your feelings, that was not my intention and I hope you can understand that. Most Sincerely, Caitlin Lorraine- Re: I'm the one jumping? h0ppy
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MoreThis is a reply to # 662,532I wasn't trying to promote anything. I was just stating my opinion. By the way, have you even tried Nutiva? After all the years of thinking TT was the greatest, I'm happy to say that I prefer the other.
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This is a reply to # 662,533I apoligize to you too. :) No, I haven't tried Nutiva as yet, do they send out samples? I just have not found a coconut oil thus far that tastes as good as any that has been centrifuged, but I'll give anything a try. But I have two gallons of coconut oil on hand right now so do not want to buy more at this time, actually that'll probably last me a long time! Yeah, I agree about TT oil, actually it was the last on my chart when it came to taste in the virgin oils I have tried.
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No problem, it's over with. I might have said calmly yes, but read the Amalgam Forum s whenever you get a chance, and I have much more to add to it. I came home to find out after the tooth extraction 2 days ago, now I have to face TMJ and what really hurts me, all these healers, that are supposed to help, mess up your case, make you suffer, act like they did nothing wrong and ask for 1000s of dollars more for the problem they have created.
When I came home, I wanted to reply calmly. Brian S had already pulled a lot of strings, while I was in severe pain, then I got your message and just didnt want to deal with it.
Thanks for writing
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This is a reply to # 662,534Thanks for forgiving me. :) Sorry about your mouth problems, dentists are killers for the most part. :( I can understand how you would be upset. Is the TMJ from cavitations? If you have not already you might look into Cervical Chiropractic and Don Croft's Terminator zapper. My husband is fixing to come home so I do not have time to read in the Amalgam Forum at this time, but will read up more about your problem sometime tomorrow. I'm just going off of a round about recommendation till then...hope you get to feeling better emotionally and physically. Thank goodness for natural methods out there to help you get better, I'm just sorry that you need them...sometimes I wish things could be changed in my past about my health problems too--it would have been so simple. If we only knew then? Best to you gup. Caitlin Lorraine- Re: Hey guploo guploo
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This is a reply to # 662,539There has been many occasions of TMJ is caused by cavitations which is severe infection under the gums. The Terminator zaps at a frequency to kill all of the infection that is causing the swelling and the pain. This infection cannot hardly be reached by other methods, but electro-therapy has been shown to be very effective in the treatment of cavitations and infection related TMJ. I know you like to research so I've provided a few links on it below. :)
Other TMJ is caused by misalignment of the jaw and can be cured by Cervical Chiropractic. This is chiropractic of the upper neck and aligns the whole body by aligning those top two cervical vertabrae. Surrounding them are 15,000 nerves that has to do with everything in the body. It benefits the entire body healthwise and many, many people have reported TMJ dissapearing after a few treatments.
Also, I forget what it is called but I believe Daizy4 does it, it is the expanding of the head by inserting ballons through the nose and gently putting air into them. It is a complicated name that I can never remember, it is Cranial something... I've wanted to have it done for years because of brain damage sustained but it is incredibly expensive. Hope this helps some...http://educate-yourself.org/dc/terminatorinfo12apr02.shtml
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This is a reply to # 662,540This is priceless information. Thanks so much Caitlin.
I love Ken Adachi's website. Somethings I am still not very clear about, such as chemtrails and sylphs. Clear as in I know what he is saying, I still find it hard to believe about chemtrails.
When I started reading about alternative, wholistic, natural therapies and stuff, I was going from one site to another, reading articles, following links. Then I found his website, it had everything that I learned and I know if it's on his website, it must be authentic. Then I found CURE ZONE !!!!! omg I was so happy that day, beyond imagination.
Anyway, I do have Hulda Clark 's zapper, but I couldnt continue using it. Now I am reading about Terminator. I will write my comments at a later time, as now my mind is really slow, one way traffic lol.. info can only go out, nothing coming in. But, I am still reading, slowly.
I loved the cervical chirporactic idea. I found a few close to me, will call first thing on monday.
I have yet to write in dental forum, sigh.
Also, what is balloon therapy, term sounds familiar, remind me please. How expensive is it?
After all these experinces with dentists, lord! I dont want anyone doing anything to my body. I literally cried day before, cried out loud!
How about starting a new string and telling us about WFN, why you like it and what is centrifuged oils, what are it's benefits in your own words.
Regards
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This is a reply to # 662,545Looks to me like a couple of PMS women going at each other. They obviously have WAY too much time on their hands. They even have Conspiracy theories and think Brian Silhavy is arguing with them! I thought this was a serious forum but now I see it is a waste of time...
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This is a reply to # 662,579#7546,
I do not see you denying that you are Brian.
Now you sign your post MentalSteady.
Strange ??
If you think the forum is a waste of time now, what changed you mind ? In what way were you benefiting before you started to think it is a waste of your time ?
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck yet says it is not a duck, what is it ?
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I know this message was from two years ago, but I just found it yesterday and I don't really want to jump into the middle of a two year old arguement. But, what interested me about it was the citation of The University of the Philippines for micro nutrients in coconut oil. I tried to find this study myself and found a dead end. I'm researching some of the nutritional benefits of coconut oil and am interested in knowing what the micro nutrients are. Could you site a reference for this information that you posted?- Re: Ensymes revisited MentalNomad
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This is a reply to # 908,542The one to talk to would be Annette from Wilderness Family Naturals as it is her article I posted. You could also talk to Dr. Bruce Fife if he is available, he's a pretty busy fellow. If you have questions about coconut and coconut oil benefits I highly recommend all of his books, my personal favorite being Eat Fat, Look Thin with very simple language on why coconut oil is so healthy and he backs up everything he says in his book with more than 200 studies. He's extremely knowledable, but puts it in such a down to earth manner that anyone can understand what he is saying.- Re: Ensymes revisited coconut_questions
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This is a reply to # 908,715Thanks. I'm actually reading Fife's The Coconut Oil Miracle right now. As far as the article goes. Do you know if there is a better way to contact Annette than the general 'contact us' link on the website? I doubt she would ever recieve a question sent there although I'm asking it there anyway.
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This is a reply to # 909,194I would call the phone number and ask to speak with her if you could or have her personally call you back possibly. A couple of years ago she used to personally answer the phone and take orders, now the company has grown quite a lot and when I call and make an order the last several times it has been the staff that took my order. Annette was always very friendly and helpful as well as knowledgable when I had questions, and her staff may even be able to answer your question? They are very friendly as well, I really recommend WFN on all counts--friendlyness, quickly getting orders out, best prices and high quality. In my experience the only thing Tropical Traditions has is the quality, but the treatment I received on multiple occasions I will never order from them again. Anyway...Glad you found Dr. Fife's books, they are just awesome. :) Best to you, Caitlin Lorraine
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Hey there :) How are things with you? Hopefully health much improved? I'm not on here much, the Christianity Forum is about the only one I check very often anymore. But someone replied to an old message and I got a notification so I replied. :) I'm just at the point in my life that I'm trying to focus my time better on things and I could spend hours and hours on curezone! :) I still spend hours on the computer with my ebay business and am trying to branch out to a few other things online to make money too. So I don't need to spend anymore than I already do. ;)
We're getting a new house next month, so excited about that! So things will be busy there. Angel will turn five tomorrow and in two months the twins will be two, can you believe that? It doesn't seem possible. So how are things with you? Tell all! :) Caitlin Lorraine
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