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It has been stated by many right–wingers that liberals are gleeful every time the Bush Administration experiences a setback in its agenda…Be it the economy, the wars in Iraq\Afghanistan, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, etc.. I, personally, believe that no president in history has been such an utter failure as G.W. Bush. And, there are times that I must check my hatred of him in order to keep my patriotism intact. Let’s face it—His failures weaken “all” of us.
The violations perpetrated against Iraqi prisoners by the coalition forces are disgusting. I do think it would be naïve to assume that horrible atrocities are not committed by all parties in the fog of war.
It is unfair to add the mistreatment of Iraqi detainees to Bush’s list of moronic decisions. Give “George the Uncurious” a break!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 551,010When I guy tries to hide his tracks as much as he does, such as no coverage of casualties comming home and limited reporting on the actual war, he gets no break from me. He is all about covering up the truth. Keep in mind also, that is only one small sampling. Scary.
It's George's war so these crimes are shared by him. - Re: In Defense of war criminals? wiz
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This is a reply to # 551,010Quote:
"It is unfair to add the mistreatment of Iraqi detainees to Bush’s list of moronic decisions."
You are far too generous to this miserable parasite.
Bush's blatant disregard for life, liberty and the rule of law is a blanket indictment of this iniquitous imbecile ...and only serves to implicate him in the worst crimes imaginable. (And stupidly is no defense ...as in Texas where Bush is from, the mentally retarded are executed) The US military's attitudes in turn, are simply a reflection of the upper echelon administration thugs that pull the strings in this war.
Bush and his cronies are murderers and war criminals. Do you think that mentality doesn't trickle down to the men in the trenches?
The disease and rot that is festering in America today starts at the top.
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- Re: In Defense of war criminals? wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 551,017The people in those prison chains of command will be as guilty of killing Americans as the hate-filled Iragis that pull the triggers
The ineptness of this administration is "quite" apparent without nit-picking. Those prisoners were damn lucky to be prisoners. I guarantee that some pissed-off American soldiers made earlier, honorable, decisions that got the insurgents safely into the "nude but alive" condition called POW.
The longer we refuse to admit failure and evacuate gracefully, the more expose's our addled citizens will be exposed to. Maybe fifty out of 150,000 of our soldiers were involved with this childish crap. The rest are acting and dying honorably.
We appear to be getting down to the GOP level of slime mongering. Like: Was the first shrapnel wound "big enough" to warrant a Purple Heart? Did he throw a ribbon or a medal over the fence?
Let's not lower our philosophic rhetoric to the level our opposition grovels in.
And, yes, the events would not have occurred were we not under a fascist administration.- Re: In Defense of war criminals? wiz
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This is a reply to # 551,026Excuse me wheelslip, but 50 bad apples didn't murder 15,000 Iraqi civilians.
I don't hold the rank and file responsible. per se, as I'm sure the bulk of them wouldn't have gotten on planes, flown to Iraq and killed innocent Iraqi men, women and children without orders from George W Bush.
However, when your orders include dropping bombs on civilian targets, sniping little old Muslim ladies, or dumping machine gun fire into a family vehicles full of women and children, it's time to be a conscientious objector. The German soldiers in Nazi death camps were 'just following orders' too. That doesn't cut it with me.
It's not defense of America, it's murder ... plain and simple. May God have mercy on their souls...
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This is a reply to # 551,027Reality check time.
What can we expect when we train 18 year-olds combat tactics and skills? Let's face it, infantry types are not necessarily the pick of the litter, to start with. Those with technical skills (or aptitudes)are filtered-out for schooling on various systems. Those remaining, with above-average aptitudes, usually get diverted into medical or administrative billets. What's left are the cowboys and the slower types. The cowboys are mixed in with the slower guys and all are taught the fine art of killing. We called 'em "ground pounders" in my day. Invariably, the grunts win the battles 'cause they capture the "dirt." Quite honestly, it would take one hell of a different situation than what Bush has placed this country in to entice me to give my life as a patriot. Die for oil...my ass!
Anyway, mix a well-trained killer with the best killing tools ever devised, first hand views of buddies getting maimed\killed by
zealots and you have guaranteed atrocities.
What really bothers me is the civilian occupations these folks prefer or return to when they retire or are transferred back to their guard units. Do they switch to the "gentle" mode?
Why is a citizen that defends his country from an invader, defined as a terrorist or an insurgent? Did Iraq surrender?
RED DAWN...
A film depicting the invasion of the United States from the north and south by communist forces from Nicaragua and Russia in the beginning of WWIII and the efforts of partisans from a small mid-western town to turn back the invasion. This film is one of the basis of the beliefs of the citizens militias and patriot groups about the possiblity of a U.N. takeover of the U.S. The movie and the theory of the New World Order proposed by the militias are similar, invasion by a foreign force, a big gun grab, arrest of gun owners, military equipment being moved on railroads, enemy helicopters re-education facilities (concentration camps), and a citizen force that strikes back
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This is a reply to # 551,030Yes, wheelslip. I know the army and marines take 18 years old and turn them into killing machines.
However, helicopter gunships aren't piloted by 18 years olds, nor are F16s, nor are 18 years old kids commanding the missile launch teams on a carrier, nor the bombardiers of B1, B2, or 52 warplanes. Nor were the military prison guards and their CIA handlers 18 year olds either.
They are men and women with families at home in the US who beat and torture detaniees (innocent or involved, it didn't seem to matter), and drop bombs and shoot missiles at men and women AND their families on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan.
As for ground troops, yes, they take young aggressive kids, indoctrinate them and turn them lose on the population in foreign countries with automatic rifles, 50 caliber machine guns and tanks.
And this is forgivable, how?
I know, I know.... like lambs to the slaughter... these poor sappy kids are the ones who make up the bulk of the 700 US war dead. They are trained to kill and they commit atrocities and get killed in return.
And Bush and his murderous thugs utter sanctimonious platitudes and order more death and destruction of innocent lives from Washington...
And I should cut Bush a break, why?
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This is a reply to # 551,032Ya'll win. I think a lot of our young warriors probably agree with you. It's the cowboy crowd that is re-upping. I can not believe the military is going to meet its recruitment goals. Bin Laden really did a job on the world, didn't he? Of course, it took cuckoo boy to one-up him by starting Armageddon. I really feel that a majority of those who volunteered for a military career never dreamed that they would become identified as Wehrmacht-type killers. - We're gonna rape, kill, pillage burn... rudenski
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This is a reply to # 551,032That was the song we sang in boot camp...
We're gonna rape, kill, pillage burn...and eat babies...funny haha...but the truth is we were being desensitized to murder...
I knew murder was wrong but I still sang along...I went on to specialized schools and intelligent men told me how to defeat and crush America's enemies but they said it so brilliantly and so logically that I believed what they said...
I trained in a hundred ways to make the enemy die for their country but along the way something was slowly dying in me...
But then one rainy day in a cornfield I died and I met God and
We chatted for a while... When I returned to my broken body on that paradigm shifting day...I couldn't muster up the energy to hate the enemy...I couldn't hate anyone or anything but hate...
Murder is wrong and no matter how pretty the package looks...
I was a trained killer who didn't want to kill.
I no longer had the will or desire or hunger to murder...
and I would no longer listen to those Zionist spooks...
But whatever you believe about God & Country
War is wrong and God would never bless WWI or WWII
The KOrean War or Vietnam...The Bay of Pigs...
George Bush War I Desert Storm or George Bush War II Iraqi
Freedom...Or Whatever name you call Murder...
Murder is wrong...God just is not in the murdering business
Even to this day, I can be provoked to hate people
I never met but I still get this feeling in the back of my mind
or perhaps somewhere deep in my soul that all of this hatred
going on in Iraq today is being attributed to wars against evil
but everything I was trained to do didn't seem like good or God & Country way back when when our enemy was Iran and Russia but way back when I didn't want to rape, kill, pillage burn any more so I took my walking papers and walked the door.
Some people say I am a rabid Democrat for hating war...
But I really don't think I would have been for Clinton or Gore or JFK or LBJ or anyone who told me it was America's duty to fight in foreign wars. Even today I feel like America is being attacked but not from without but from within. I am not sure but somehow our greatest enemy is not outside of ourselves but inside of ourselves. When we will not admit we are wrong...that everything we say we do for God & Country isn't for God or our Country but for some wealthy men...When we will not stand up for what is good and right... right here in America... When we call good evil and evil good and start calling people defending their own nation terrorists, while we are the lunatics calling out rape, kill, pillage, burn in the name of God & Country then maybe some day soon we will get the same in return... God save America....because we need some help...
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