Gallstone attack led to pancreatitis 
Devoira
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I have had very painful gallstone attacks about every six months or so for the past three years. Surgery was recommended after the first one but I put it off, saying to myself I would try it the natural way but put that off, being a little scared and a little confused as to which flush to use and whether you really had to get parasites out before hand.
A month ago, I had an attack that led to pancreatitis (which I did not know could be a dangerous side effect). I was hospitalized for 8 days. I am now seeing a naturopath while my 'medical' doctor is arranging to schedule me for gallbladder removal.
My naturopath is recommending I try to flush them out. I am scared of having another attack that leads again to pancreatitis (which can be life threatening I found out after!). My pancreas is pretty well back to normal now and my naturopath put me on a low fat, organic veggie and grain diet and cooked-only fruits (also no dairy, no wheat, no sugar, no meat-a little bit of fish is okay).
Should I be afraid to do the flush?
Which flush should I do? She is suggesting the apple juice for seven days and then olive oil one.
What about not doing the parasite cleanse first?
I am afraid to get pancreatitis again.
Looking for others experiences/opinions!
- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... Blueduck
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MoreThis is a reply to # 521,320Flush and stop putting it off. You do not have to do a parasite cleanse first. You can do Liver Flushes now. You can do it tomorrow. Go buy your olive oil, Epsom Salts and lemons and/or grapefruit. You do not have to have anything else. If you think you can wait for seven days and drink apple juice like your naturopath says, that is fine to do also. Lots of people here do drink the apple juice. If it was me, I would flush tomorrow.
I do no preparation for this flush and never have. I have done 16 flushes. I just get the things together and do it.
Do not eat any fat at all the day of your liver flush. No milk on cereal or anything else that contains fats. Stop all intake of food or fluids at 2 PM. No water either.
Read the link I am posting at the bottom. This is the flush that most people here use. It can be done immediately. You need only the ingredients posted above....ignore the directions talking about zapping, kidney cleanse and dental clean up. You can do that another time. You do not have to have the ornithine either. The worst thing that will happen is that you will have diarrhea, which is to be expected. There is NO pain involved in this flush.
I am keeping my gall bladder and hope you do too.
You can do this and avoid surgery. I did and so have thousands of others.
Blueduck
//www.curezone.org/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp
- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... mikefw9
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You are so ignorant. Do not dispense such directives unless you understand her condition!
Pancreatitis is life threatening and after a pancreatic attack, that much oil (or any other fat) could easily cause a massive pancreatic attack.
With pancreatitis, the pancreas is unable to digest fat properly. This can lead to another pancreatic attack in which the digestive enzymes activate within the pancreas, causing it to digest itself. This is both extremely painful and life-threatening.
A flush may certainly be beneficial at some point, but to say "Flush and stop putting it off" is both ignorant and impetuous of you.
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- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... Lapis 20 y 10,603
- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 521,320Don't bother with the parasite cleanse, you know exactly what your issues are - deal with that! :) Don't go looking for more! LOL! if after a series of flushes and proper bowel management (colon cleansing) you still have issues, then you can consider it.
It's a basic truth of health in the body - take care of your liver, and your liver will take care of you. There are people with advanced HIV and hepatitis who are doing the Liver Flushes and getting better, so don't be afraid. Start out slowly, within your comfort range, but do SOMEthing! :)
You have to get good at taking toxins out quickly, eat a better diet, etc. Since your pancreas is compromised I wouldn't recommend only drinking apple juice to dissolve the stones. It takes a quart to a gallon to do any good, and that's a bit of Sugar you don't want right now. Better option would be Gold Coin Grass or Liquid Phosfood, which is quite cheap, jsut 7 bucks. Take it for 3-7 days. If you can juice your own green apples or Fuji, then go for it.
You can get the GCGrass at www.sensiblehealth.com. Julia Chang has spoken wtih many CureZone members about healing the liver and other issues and they all speak well of her. I ahve three of her products, they're good.
Good luck! :)- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... Madelle
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I just did my first live cleanse last Sunday night/monday. I took malic acid tablets for two weeks. I did not do the ES - I used to diluted magnesuim citrate drinks (for the 6 and 8 p.m.) and at 9:45, I drank a mixture of Olive oil, grapfruit juice, a bit of parasite tincture, and I sweetened the mix with 5 drops of stevia - it looked horrid but did NOT taste bad - I am still passing stones. However, it has NOT been painful, and I feel 'lighter' in several aspects - physically and emotionally - in the weeks between parasite cleanse and liver cleanse I was an emotional wreck, really had to use all my skills to remain in teh present and "feel" but not let it get the best of me. I did have to do an emena ( and I am not an enema person) within 24 hours, due to lower abdominal pain, and got a blockage taken care of.
At first my medical doc was very skeptical - he now sees the difference in me, and is totally on board with believing I had bad parasties (and I live in opposite of tropical!) my liver tests are already improved - plus I have clearer whites in the eyes, nails growing like hard weeds, and my hair is growing at a fast pace, thick too - before, I was losing my hair! I was also not sleeping, and constantly getting chest pains, all tests indicated my heart was fine.
I was terrified of getting brain fog again - candida - so will stay the course on fighting that - but the liver cleanse, now will be a regular part of my life!
Everyone is here for you and there are a lot of products, I am no expert, but I know I P&B shakes didnot work for me - side effects bad no matter how much water I drank - so I use colosan - I love it!!
Take care. . .and if any Doc tells you that doing a liver cleanse will only results in a stone being stuck in a bile duct. . . .just use something safe to soften them first. . . .
Madie - Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... devoira
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MoreThis is a reply to # 521,331Thank you for responding.
My naturopath's recipe is drink organic apple juice from the health food store - 16 oz every 2 hours from 8am to 8pm - for three days.
The morning of the third day - 1/4 - cup of olive oil with more apple juice and then go to bed.
I asked about why no lemon and I can't remember exactly but she said something about its bitterness would not be good for the pancreas and that with all that apple juice I would have softened up the stones pretty good.
But my medial doctor says I should not fool around pancreatitis can be life-threatening. If I get another attack (from the cleanse?) it could lead to chronic pancreatitis and at worst death and I should just get it out.
I am still torn....
Devoira- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 521,570If your regular MD doctor is telling you that removing your gallbladder will cure pancreatitis, he's talking thru his hat. My roommate had hers removed adn she still came down with diabetes.
- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... mikefw9
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Please read with understanding before dispensing or dismissing people's statements.
Pancreatitis is NOT diabetes. Of course your roommate got diabetes after their pancreas was removed! Diabetes happens when the body is either unable to utilize or produce insulin.
Insulin is produced by the pancreas. If you have no pancreas then you are by definition, diabetic.
That fact has absolutely no bearing on her doctor's advice about pancreatitis. Not even related.
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- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... shelleycat
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- Re: Gallstone attack led to pancreat... Madelle
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- My experience..... Dax
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This is a reply to # 521,320Hi Devoira,
just to give you both sides of the coin - I think you are right to be cautious. About 6 years ago my gallbladder started playing up... it eventually got to the point of daily attacks (not fun!!). I was determined to try the flush as I had read all about it. I followed instructions to the tee. Initially the epson salts made me extremely nauseous. Then the oil mixture triggered a full on gallbladder attack. The pain was so bad my worried husband called the doctor to our home and he gave me a morphine shot. Then mid pain I began vomiting and over the next twenty four hours I alternated between blinding pain, retching and vomiting. Most of the ingredients came back up, but interestingly I did get a few "green peas" in the toilet the following morning. The gallbladder attack lasted three and a half days (previous attacks were hours) and I think it IS quite likely that a stone was stuck in the bile duct during that time.
It was obvious to me that the flush had only partially worked and that there were still many stones left, but I had been so wretchedly ill that the thought of trying again was too much to contemplete. I ended up going under the knife.
I firmly believe in the value of liver flushes, but after my own experiences I also believe that if you are already showing symptoms you are more likely to experience problems with the flush process, moreso than a person flushing as a preventative measure.
I hope this has been informative - good luck whichever way you go...
Dax- Re: My experience..... devoira
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This is a reply to # 521,337Thank you for that....
Just so I know....
Had you tried to soften the stones prior to doing the cleanse?
Have you experienced any negative effects from having your gallbladder removed?
Do you still do flushes?
If I get pancreatitis again from an attack, it could lead to chronic pancreatitis or worse. I am torn.
Devoira
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Thank you for that....
Just so I know....
Had you tried to soften the stones prior to doing the cleanse?
Have you experienced any negative effects from having your gallbladder removed?
Do you still do flushes?
If I get pancreatitis again from an attack, it could lead to chronic pancreatitis or worse. I am torn.
Devoira
- Re: My experience..... TheHealthGuy
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Hi Devoira,
I have Pancreatitis. I've had it for over 30 years. My first several years I was so sick I should be dead. My story is fairly long and don't want to post such a long message so I am going to kep it short.
I know a lot of these people say they flush and have success, maybe they do. But ...
What they don't tell you is that high doses of Magnesium Sulfate (epsom salts) can be fatal.
Magnesium is an essential mineral the body needs for the regulation of heart beat and more. So is potassium and calcium. But, just like an overdose of potassium can kill you (postassium chloride is used in lethal injections for example) an over dose of magnesium can do the same. Flushing the liver may be a good thing but I sure as hell wouldn't use Magnesium Sulfate in the amounts these flushes call for.
People say they get sick, nausea, vomiting and such from the flushes, hell, it's no wonder!
They are lucky they didn't kill themselves. And ...
If you have already had ONE Acute Pancreatitis episode consuming that much oil could very easily trigger another episode of Acute Pancreatitis. I'd no more swallow a 1/2 cup to a cup of olive oil (or any oil) than I'd jump from a perfectly good airplane WITHOUT a chute.
You can do whatever you like. But be advised ...
1) A magnesium sulfate overdose can kill you
2) That much oil at one time could easily trigger an Acute Pancreatitis episode that leads to necrotizing pancreatitis, internal bleeding, organ failure and death - a very painful death.
I'm not a doctor, in fact I have very little respect for MOST doctors because of my experieces with them but there are good ones out there who care more about YOU than money. I know cuz I have met TWO (2). Granted they are very few and far between but they are out there. And what I was leading up to is that ...
IF it were me, I'd find either a very good surgeon (for gallbladder removal) or some other way to remove those gallstones and I'd NEVER use the doses of magnesium sulfate or oil that proponents of flushing advise people to use, especially someone with panc. Doing so is ...
Asking for death! And ...
I didn't even touch on the possibility of gallstone obstruction, due to flushing, and the resulting Acute Pancreatitis episode.
I am someone who backs EVERYTHING I say up with research.
One of the resources I use for "research" is PubMed.com.
Go to pubmed.com and plug in "gallbladder flushes", "liver flushes", "flushes using epsom salts, grapefruit juice and oil" and you will get NOTHING. Now the significance of this is that PubMed.com publishes research done on almost anything of any sort of value or any possible value in regards to healing or curing disease. It doesn't matter whether the "potential cure" is herbal, natural or synthetic (prescription drugs), they research it (if there is potential) and publish their findings.
If flushes had any value there would be research published some where other than on boards such as these or on websites of those who promote flushes - there is absolutely NONE.
Do what you like, it is your body, but, you need to go in with your eyes wide open and backed by scientific research or at the minimum common sense. And common sense tells me that flushing can kill you from to much oil since you are a previous pancreatitis victim and if that doesn't help you to push up daisies an over dose of magnesium sulfate just may be the ticket!
Good luck!
The Health Guy
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- Re: My experience..... devoira
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- FYI Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 521,320Shellycat, Blueduck, and Lapis all are long termers in thier knowledge and personal experiences about Flushing.
i think you have been given good advice
if you need someone one to stya online *) hol dyour hand just shout/ we are here. 8)
Hopsino did one with me, on my first Liver Flush and it was nice to know someone that had a lot o f exp in it wwas online and on email with me..to encourage me..
in fact she did one with me lol !
tips she gave me, that greatly helped, were:
to suck on a slice of lemon right after drinkin gth eepsom salt
just for a minute to getthe taste out o fmy mouth.
also i mixed fresh grapefruit juice in my Epsom Salt mix..definitley amd eit more drinkable.
(she sucke don a lime btw after her eps. )
and also i set a very small glass of apple juice next to wher ei was going to sleep .. as soon as i drank the oo/grape fruit mix,
i immediatly swished with the apple juice to cut the oil tast out of my mouth.. spit it back into teh glass and laid down.
it helped my alot to drink all of the eps and oo/gp witha straw
and i also turned on tv to focus myatten tion on the news not the taste.
i fi did start to think about the taste, i kep t my attention on the taste of the grapefruit/ not the sp or oliv eoil.
also the next day afte ryour 4th and last ep you can start intaking water again many folks say i thas helpe d them..
don't roam far form the toilet the folowwing day and don't wait thinkign oh it is jstu a fart.. i gouantee yo uit is not!!
if youfeel jstu the slightedst urge to go/you ahd better be there
and be square 8) cause, whether you like it or not / it is comming out ! *smile*
so stye well within toilet range/ and don't runand fall like i did rofl !
nothing liek tryign to get up when evyer thing want s to get out at same time.. a humorous thing now.. bu tir sure wasnot at then time ! 8)
yo uwill feel so wonderfula nd peaceful and clean and clearheaded after.. whenit wa all done, i just went inot a nice warm snuggle deep sleep/ just super.. feelign of releaxed peace. 8)
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- Re: you make it sound so good... betta
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- Re: you make it sound so good... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 521,341jus tfollow the timelines... i myself at the end of the oo mix..couldnot finish last 3 sips so i said heck with it..
and just wen to sleep.. 8) i have never been one able to drink in large amts at one time to start.. i am a sipper.. 8)
so tha tpart was the only hard part forme.. also if youare not used to the oo taste.. youcoudl use the virgin vs extravirgin.
i figured it wa sbetter to stop with90% ofit inme than los eit all 8)
you willbe fine.. codliver oil 1-3 teasppons and about 1/2 glass water will help flushout colon down after flush btw maybe day after might do i fyou have no clonics aor a colema board. - hey if 7 mt pg girls can do it so ca... Wrenn 20 y 10,380
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- Re: FYI devoira
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This is a reply to # 521,338Thanks Wren.... If I do do it, will you hold my hand (metaphorically)? by the by, did you have attacks before you started flushing? d.
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- flowerchild59 had her gallbladder re... hanna
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This is a reply to # 521,320
You can find her message here: at the top of the curezone page, type in under search "flowerchild59".
This brings you to google and click on the 3rd message "Re: thank you flowerchild59" and that brings you to her story.
Just a different view.
You are lucky you have a naturopath to talk to. Most of us live of our curezone support.
Good luck with your decision.
Johanna
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