I agree with Lee and Chiron - I don't think killing insects, or letting bees die in order to harvest pollen is ok. I take the spiders out of my shower and put them outside before I turn the water on - I don't think that's extreme. I fished a moth out of my washing up water yesterday and put it on a piece of tissue to see would it survive - it did - I don't think thats' extreme either ;)

I think the whole conversation is very relevant to the initial opener...

:-)


Anyway, back to pollen. I was reading that it is becoming almost impossible to
keep bees from visiting genetically-modified crops, and how does one exclude
pesticide from the pollen, when its use is so rampant, and hardly 'containable'
really, despite privileged and cloistered attempts, given this thing called air
that we all share.

I can't help but feel, more and more, that the quest for every kind of supplement, and for maintaining pristine health thereby, is a form of aggression, albeit a very subtle one, born of a sense of separation and lack-- since it really speaks very much of this "degenerate hunter-gatherer" state you mention, Lee. As 'evolved as that can appear.


I agree, it's not the ideal, by any means. There is still often at core a profound self-regard that says something about a lack of faith, I think.

Oh well, it's a long row to hoe, and I don't mean to personally offend or belittle anyone's efforts toward full consciousness. (and I *do* see it's full consciousness, rather than good health we are all heading to) MY point is, I guess, that we cannot imagine how radiant such consciousness can be...and how far beyond these grasping efforts at "taking that which isn't given" in the service of strengthening our separate selves.


Consideration of the impossible task of just humanity coming to self-actualization
is enough to generate a lot of humility. Whew. And it's humility that won't allow
the looking away.





*edit:

one final thought in reference to the nutritional profile of bee pollen.

One food that might be a good *replacement* for bee pollen, (though without the hayfever-calming aspect -which could perhaps be dealt with using EFT,
if one is to hear and agree with what Andreas Moritz and others say about such "allergies"-)is--

take a breath, Alison- gojis. :-)


Seems to be an amazing food, with an extensive nutritional profile, said to be comparable to bee pollen-- and, it's not the food of another creature! Like taking milk from cows, meant for calves. How would we feel about another species drinking the milk of human mothers, en masse? and keeping said mothers in constant lactation, by any means?

okay--this is a bit far afield of pollen, so I'll stop now.

But it does all come back to *not taking what isn't given.*
This is a long and deep practise, with many levels.

I don't know if pollen is tested for pesticides, but there was an article posted recently that pesticides are concentrated in the pollen. Something else to think about.

//www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=237&i=4129#i

As far as treating bees kindly, the saying "a person who is nice to you but not nice to the waiter, is not a nice person" can be applied to animals as well. Unfortunately the kind people of this world are often overpowered by the ruthless destroyers who could care less of other creatures, as evident in where this country and earth are headed.