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Teresa
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Re: Flush 2 Yael
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This is a reply to # 3,304
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:20:24 +1000
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Dale,
thank you for your words... I guess it is a time will tell thing.... it's
the stress getting to me! (Which I know is a major source of my problems!)
thanks
Teresa
>
> Teresa;
>
>
> I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
> cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
> condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
> isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
>
>
This is a reply to # 3,303
From: "barry91162"
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:26:40 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Teresa,
If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the
final results. You shouldn't be discouraged until you do at least 10
flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in
the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many
years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn't built on one or
two flushes. :-) Keep flushing.
Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones
out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the
group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be
the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change
of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time.
Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic
you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the
rest of your life. That's seems to just be the name of the game here.
Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start
producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within
months or years again.
I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting
over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still
have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week.
Laughing at me to the point of tears!!!
You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have
a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it
is you are going into battle against. Some people don't know, or want
to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact
problem. 'Know your Stone" is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes
pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to
correct it once and for all. Good luck with that.
Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake
sleeping 'silent' stones. You will have to get those out as well now
that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out
before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you
did. I personally think you didn't do that but that you are still
experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb
trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for
colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can
suggest to be sure what is in your gb.
Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re-
evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. :-)
Be Healthy.
Barry.
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This is a reply to # 3,286
From: barry91162 [mailto:barry91162@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 13:17
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Teresa,
I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound
to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with
inside your gallbladder?
I've had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days
because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process
through my body. I'm sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic
is back to it's usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I've actually had
4 of them because I've felt so good that I thought the problem was
gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.
Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that 'big one' out on
your flush.
Barry.
- Re: Flush 2 Teresa
22 y
7,337
MoreThis is a reply to # 3,290> I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound
> to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with
> inside your gallbladder?
>
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:55:29 +1000
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Reply-To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
Barry,
I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of "gravel" but no
big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
BUT...
if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very
painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
still no stones, or any of the green things I saw in the first flush. Maybe
they were all in the big mess I passed first up an hour or so ago... wasn't
going looking to check that one!
I can nearly eat!!! Off to have some juice now
Teresa
- Re: Flush 2 Adrienne
22 y
7,318
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To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
From: Adrienne McLaughlin
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:12:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Hi Teresa,
My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that, yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report), but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that, IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass stones.
Adrienne
>I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of "gravel" but no
>big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
>BUT...
>if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very
>painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
>Teresa"
- Re: Flush 2 rachel
22 y
7,486
This is a reply to # 3,292
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
From: Rachd1961@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:45:37 EST
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
In a message dated 4/5/02 11:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
adriennelynn1@yahoo.com writes:
> My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that,
> yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to
> pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did
> have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report),
> but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple
> thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that,
> IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass
> stones.
>
This is interesting, Adrienne. I guess that's sort of what I was theorizing
about (but you phrased it so much better!). So a large amount of sludge
could cause similar problems as a big stone. It does make sense - I mean,
why should the gallbladder have the corner on pain in passing stones?
Gheez, when I think about how overworked and under cared-for our livers
generally are, it's no wonder that people end up in liver failure so often.
I'm just thankful that I discovered some of this stuff at a relatively young
age.
in health,
rachel~
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22 y
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This is a reply to # 3,294
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
From: "barry91162"
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:29:48 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Teresa & Rachel,
Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the
opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it
clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small
stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large
stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the
gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.
Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
Barry.
- Re: Flush 2 rachel
22 y
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This is a reply to # 3,295
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com
From: Rachd1961@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:49:30 EDT
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
In a message dated 4/7/02 8:32:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
barry91162@yahoo.com writes:
> Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
> that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
>
In case anyone missed this I wanted to put it back out there. :)
Yes - by all means - flush while things are small enough to flush out easily!
rachel~
- Re: Flush 2 Lu
22 y
7,264
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From: "Lulu"
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:30:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Hi there,
On the subject of gravel I want to say that today I used the Epsom Salts without the oil and I had tons of gravel spill out of me...and some that looked like stones....now I did not use any olive oil at all......any take on this?
Peace
Lu
- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
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From: "barry91162"
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:08:55 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Hi Lu,
There can be many reasons for this depending on many factors.
Those stones, gravel, sludge can come from your ducts relaxing from
the ES intake and cleaning out the excess from your last cleanse.
When was your last flush? I've found that for up to normally one
week, and even two weeks, that my body will continue to mini-flush as
I eat fats and as the oil finishes coursing through my system. This
is why a lot of mini-flushes happen when you are doing regular
flushing. Gravel can be in your gb, ducts, intestine, colon area and
may still be traveling out. Without the oil, you are missing the
contraction effect but with the ES you are getting a 'relaxing'
effect on many areas in your body.
As far as stones, that would depend on if they are hard marble formed
stones or if they are blobs of softer bile balls. Those blobs of bile
balls will normally travel out of your body with stool but an
excellerated effect could cause them to ball. Did you break one
open? You normally won't see that form of bile in your stool but an
intake of ES or mini-flush will eliminate them faster for better
viewing. If they were hard stones, congratulations on doing a flush
without oil. haha Or, they could have been hanging around from the
last cleanse. It would be great to contract the gb and get a full
flush without oil but it is a wishful thought only. :-)
Barry.
- Re: Flush 2 Lu
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From: "Lulu"
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:32:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Hi Barry,
No I didn't take particular interest in it all as we had lots going on around here today but had it not been so busy I would have investigated further about the stones....now it has been sometime before my last flush....I think it has been 3 weeks.....I was feeling really good this week until Friday when I had a cup of French Vanilla Cappuccino and then I felt awful all week-end that is why I started the ES today with the apple juice...I have drank a quart of apple juice today with a pear and I started to eat some pasta but it was mushy so I tossed it out. I am going to do a flush in a few days and see what happens but i want to wait until after that CT Scan if I decide to acquiesce with the doc's wishes.
Peace
Lu
- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
7,547
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From: "barry91162"
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:26:19 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Lu,
Maybe you created sort of a mini-flush contraction within your gb by
drinking the cap and that tighening feeling was the sludge and stones
passing down to your intestines. Then, the juice and ES would relax
the ducts, intestines, and colon and the whole blasted mess came out
for you to see. Sounds good no matter how it came out, right?
Congratulations!!! Hope it helps to make you feel better.
Barry.
- Re: Flush 2 Lu
22 y
7,221
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From: "Lulu"
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:26:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
But Barry, don't you think that the sandy stuff can be quite irritating on the delicate tissues inside? I know that when I have passed that amount of sandy stuff and I see it and think, "oh my word, no wonder my innards hurt so sorely". But you are right about the pain being different than a gallstone, I could imagine because I do believe I have passed them over the last 10 years and it feels like a knife so bad you lose your breath and then you wince and moan and soon after about 5 minutes it goes away.....oh I had that happen many times to me over the years and I bet it was from small stones moving out. Anyhow, I can't imagine having the kind of colic pain you describe from the one that laughs in your face, shame on it, anyhow, ROFLOL...your a nut! Have you tried accupressure?
Oh speaking of which, someone on the list before I went on digest a while back had mentioned ear flushing and wanted to know if it had to do with gallbladder....I found in my accupressure books that indeed that the two are related...I wish I had wrote myself a note where exactly I found it so I could post it to the list...I will keep my eyes peeled for it at best.
Peace
Lu
- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
7,346
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From: "barry91162"
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:05:01 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Lu,
Ear flushing? I don't mind having my head down sideways in the toilet
but all those stones coming out my ears sounds pretty nasty. haha
I wish I had only sand and small stones causing colic on the way out.
Unfortunetly my gallstone is hard and over twice the size of my
cystic duct. Dieting hasn't decreased the size. 8 flushes over 4
months hasn't helped it either. I'll look into the ear flush before
surgery. haha
Barry.
- Re: Flush 2 Ann
22 y
7,404
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From: "Ann Staley"
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:09:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Our parts are so wondrously connected....
My sister attended her first Tai Chi Dong class and did the part that treats sinuses. Her sinuses began to drain, and she was
unaware of any sinus "problem'"in herself.
Ann
- Re: Flush 2 Ann
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- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
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22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 Barry
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- Re: Flush 2 Lu
22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 rachel
22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 rachel
22 y
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- Re: Flush 2 Barry
22 y
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From: "barry91162"
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 04:13:33 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
Teresa,
Sometimes stones do not always show up on ultrasound. Another one
would be helpful in the near future just to make sure they didn't
miss one (or more) on the first scan. If you do a few flushes and
still have colic, that is when I'd check it again.
Also, the smaller ones (and gravel) could cause colic just as well.
The smaller gravel could be blocking your cystic duct or common duct.
One good thing is that the gravel is a lot easy to clean out in one
or a few flushes and hopefully your colic will stop. Bigger stones
that can't fit through the mouth of the gb are sometimes harder to
exit. Example; I've done 8 flushes and still have a 1 cm stone that
causes colic attacks. But like I said, you may not have something
like that and hopefully the flush will clean you out faster.
Please keep us posted on your progess.
Barry.
--- In gallstones@y..., "Teresa French"
> Barry,
>
> I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots
of "gravel" but no
> big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
>
> BUT...
>
> if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have
these very
> painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
>
> still no stones, or any of the green things I saw in the first
flush. Maybe
> they were all in the big mess I passed first up an hour or so
ago... wasn't
> going looking to check that one!
>
> I can nearly eat!!! Off to have some juice now
>
> Teresa
- Re: Flush 2 Adrienne
22 y
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