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I am in the middle of doing lots of research into the effects on magnesium deficiency especially for those with candida. Here is what I learned so far.
Magnesium is absorbed only thru the intestines. If one has any illness which prevents intestines from functioning correctly, namely, candida, ibs, crohns disease etc, magnesium will NOT be absorbed.
Magnesium deficiency cause a scary myriad of symptoms including
Anxiety / panic attacks
jitteriness
nervousness
sensitivity to noise
weakness
heartbeat irregularirites such as rapid heartbeat, skipping beats etc
chronic pain
muscle fatique
According to what I read , most people in the US are short on magnesium, but if you have an underlying illness preventing absorbtion, you are most likely really deficient.
I know many of us suffer with bizarre symptoms myself included. Last week I began taking calcium magnesium supplements and the annoying and scary burning sensation I had in my head completely went away along with the disorientation and I felt great. I was taking the maximum dosage of calcium, magnesium along with whatever would be in a multi vitamin.
However, this week started off with diarrhea , cramping, which I intially thought might be die off. Then I began feeling incredibly anxious all over , shaky , weak, feeling faint, rapid heartbeat and the burning returned. I have not been able to even get any work done all week, At first I did not understand why. But as I looked into magesium I learned that if you take too much it will cause diarrhea which will then cause a magnesium deficiency. Magnesium induced magnesium deficiency it is called. Taking too much, or more than your body can absorb ( and everyone is different) causes diarrhea which causes you to lose the magnesium you took + more creating and even more pronounced deficiency.
The key to taking magnesium seems to be two fold. First off it is supposedly much better to take alone without calcium until you get balanced, second start off with low low doses.
Also keep in mind it is said it can take 6 weeks before relief is felt.
I will continue to do research on this issue and I have ordered blood tests for myself to see what exactly is going on including a magnesium rbc blood tests which not only tells if you are low on magnesium but tells you how much is functioning in your system. Will post my results to see if my theories are correct.
Michelle
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This is a reply to # 293,882Continued In the book Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, the authors note that food allergies are usually associated with low hydrochloric acid levels and poor digestion. The authors' rationale for this is that low stomach acid leaves food undigested and fermenting in the intestinal tract. This fermentation causes gas, bloating and stomach upset, the symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome. Undigested and fermented food causes the body to raise histamine levels, which produce allergic reactions. This is why people take antihistamines for allergies, to lower histamine levels. Interestingly, Mg is needed to reduce histamine levels.
Low stomach acid levels reduce levels of beneficial intestinal bacteria which is needed for absorption of magnesium. When lab rats are deprived of magnesium, a wide variety of studies have noted that they develop allergy like symptoms. Their ears turn red and they develop skin problems. Rats with magnesium deficiencies have increases in histamine levels. They also have raised levels of white blood cell counts. Mg deficiency has been implicated in allergies and allergic skin reaction in many studies on humans, too. Variations of allergies, skin allergies, and raised white blood cells have all been noted as features of many chronic disorders. People with chemical sensitivities also commonly have other conditions linked to Mg deficits such as allergies, fibromyalgia, mitral valve prolapse and anxiety disorders. They also tend to have TMJ, which has been linked to abnormalities of hyaluronic acid. Perhaps not coincidentally, hyaluronic acid is dependent upon magnesium for its synthesis. Asthma is has been linked to Mg deficiencies in a wide variety of studies. Asthma and allergies not only frequently occur together, but they frequently occur together along with gastrointestinal upset in many chronic disorders including Mitral Valve Prolapse syndrome and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. Gastrointestinal upset is often a sign of malabsorption problems, which can be a cause of nutritional deficiencies.
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This is a reply to # 293,882Anxiety and Psychiatric Disorders
- Magnesium deficiency causes increased levels of adrenaline, which can lead to a feeling of anxiety. Rats who become magnesium deficient have an increased level of urinary catecholamine excretion (a by-product of adrenaline).
People who have mitral valve prolapse have also been found to have an increased state of anxiety and have an increased level of urinary catecholamine excretion, the exact same condition found in rats who are Mg deficient. It is not surprising then, to find that people with mitral valve prolapse are usually low in magnesium, and that magnesium supplementation alleviates the symptoms of mitral valve prolapse and reduces the level of urinary catecholamine excretion, i.e. it also reduces the anxiety symptoms. Researchers in Spain found a correlation between anxiety disorders and hypermobility. In fact, they found that patients with anxiety disorder were over 16 times more likely than control subjects to have joint laxity. If you put the study results together, then there's a link between anxiety and hypermobility, a link between anxiety and mitral valve prolapse, and a link between mitral valve prolapse and hypermobility. These studies tell us that anxiety disorders occur in many people who simply have mitral valve prolapse and/or joint hypermobility, meaning anxiety disorders are not specific to EDS or any particular connective tissue disorder. Marfans also have mitral valve prolapse and joint hypermobility which would lead one to conjecture that they, too, have anxiety related disorders. As it turns out, a connection between Marfans and anxiety related disorders has been noted. A study in Bulgaria also found magnesium abnormalities in patients with schizophrenia and depression. The authors thought the schizophrenia and depression caused the magnesium deficiencies, but I disagree that that was necessarily the case. When you look at this study within the context of all the other studies mentioned in this section, it is more likely that the magnesium abnormalities caused the mental illness. (There are quite a few studies on magnesium and mental illness on Medline. I just included a few to highlight my points.) In a study from England, there was a strong association for more disturbed and excitable patients to have abnormal (either high or low) magnesium levels. The authors thought that the patients who seemed most disturbed may have some abnormality of magnesium metabolism.
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This is a reply to # 293,882If you are researching magnesium, you have got to check out this article, if you haven't already discovered it.
http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html - Re: Magnesium defiency could be the ... Qwer
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This is a reply to # 293,882There has never been a doubt that candidosis cause a myriad of vitamins and minerals deficiencies. Some of them in particular, like magnesium, will tend to have more psychological effect...
It is interesting to see in one of your posted articles to see a relation between low stomach acidity, dysbiosis and low magnesium absorption. We never hear about how to cure the low stomach acidity, and I think it might be possible that the dysbiosis is in fact the cause of the dysbiosis, and not the opposite. Or maybe sodium deficiency...
Vitamins and minerals deficiencies are seen in so many conditions, and autism is the main one which interest me, that I believe that candidosis (or some other forms of dysbiosis) is at the heart of these conditions.- Re: Magnesium defiency could be the ... shroom
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This is a reply to # 293,889Thank you all but I have no bladder problems. Would it still be of any significants for me to drink it? Stevia makes my stomach very upset so I don't use it, or any sweetener for that matter.
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This is a reply to # 293,882Very intriguing!! I never knew much about magnesium and the effects of being deficient. We usually hear so much about calcium-deficiency, iron-deficiency, and the like, but never magnesium. Thanks for posting this! Now I'm curious...I think I'll do a little research into this myself.
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This is a reply to # 293,895Michelle,
I'm so glad you found useful info on Mg and that it's helped you. It's really helped me. I get on a real downer without my liquid Mg chloride. You mentioned your upset with too much Mg. You've done a lot of research. Does it say anywhere about its balance to other minerals, such as phosphorus, potassium, but especially Ca? I've found that not only do candida people have trouble with mineral assimilation, but that the candida also messes with the balance of those minerals. So it's hard to know what is a therapeutic dose, a maintenance dose, or a situation like you where you have to take a little at a time. Inadvertently taking too much of one can create a deficiency of another. I recently experienced this with getting too much phosphorus in all the supplements I was taking. (One was phosphatidyl choline, duh!) I got too much phosphorus which upset my potassium level and in turn made my heart go crazy. I have to be careful of too much Ca, also. I'm sure all this will straighten out when I figure out how I can do Colon Cleanses as a diabetic. (I take it, one should not eat much, like a light fast...) In your research have you found anyone writing about the balances of minerals?
Thanks,
Nancy
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This is a reply to # 293,882Something should also be said of which types of magnesium is best or most absorbable. Magnesium oxide is often used in multi supplements, but it is considered to be one of the least absorbable forms. If this is the main or only form in your supplements, than you can consider yourself as not having taken any. The absorbtion rate of Mg oxide is about 4%. The better forms to use are: 'Magnesium acetate, chloride, citrate, gluconate, glycinate, lactate, malate, succinate, sulfate, tartrate and taurate are all very good, ionizable sources of magnesium'(quoted from above article). Magnesium aspartate is also considered well absorbed. So, as you increase you magnesium intake be sure to use an absorbable form.
Also, in considering the 'which came first the chicken or the egg' aspect of candida, Mg deficiency, and dysbiosis, I have to make the observation that candida is known to be present in the healthy digestive tract of healthy people(whatever that may mean). And I personally believe that the candida has a beneficial role to play in the intestinal tract in healthy amounts. In fact, in the research I have done, I have read that the toxins released by the candida organism can and should actually be broken down in the normal Krebs cycle to produce a source of energy to the body. However, in the absence of adequate trace minerals, like molybdenum, the process is not completed and the acetaldehyde left adrift causes our systems innumerable problems. So to me, candida is not the cause, it is a symptom of something else.
Likewise, dysbiosis, is the result of something missing, which results in an overgrowth of something else, but it too is a symptome of what is missing. The presence of dysbiosis can and does exacerbate existing problems, and facilitate the formation of other problems, but it did not create the origin of the problem.
The origin to me, is whatever causes the original deficiency. This, in my opinion can be several specific things. It can be a healthy diet, that lacks one or two very important nutrients such as magnesium or ascorbic acid. Or it can be the inclusion of an ingredient that causes a specific reaction in the intestinal tract, such as gluten or milk for those incapable of processing it thru genetic predisposition. And of course, it can be the regular consumption of a diet deficient in nutrients and high in GI irritants. The symptoms may not be palpable until sufficient damage has been done. And this damage will have been creating deficiencies, and therefore, dysbiosis for some time before the individual becomes aware. This is the beginning of disease, and the playground of candida.- Re: Magnesium defiency could be the ... remi96
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This is a reply to # 293,905My claim is not that magnesium causes dybiosis but rather that magnesium deficiency resulting from dysbiosis could be the cause of some of symtpoms we feel when suffering from candida and that supplementation may alleviate some symptoms such as anxiety.
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This is a reply to # 293,906Remi96, I wasn't suggesting anything about your comments. I was just speaking to that point in a general sense. I have seen in several posts on this forum that candida is suggested to be the cause of other ailments. I was just noting that I see candida as a step in the progression of disease.
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This is a reply to # 293,907right, all I am saying is that candida sufferers could be magnesium deficient since magnesium is absorbed only thru the intestines and with our crazy dieting and the malabsorbtion, it is a good possibility it could be the cause of some of our "candida" related symtptoms such as anxiety.
Both your message and one or two others seem to imply that I was trying to make the point the magnesium deficiency could be the cause of candida. Boy, I wish it was only that simple but that was not my point. And I realized later that I neglected to be clear on my hypothesis was.
My belief is simply that candida suffers could alleviate some symtpoms, maybe most symptoms if they would supplement with magnesium. I suspect this has been a large part of my problems all along with the burning symtpoms I have had since June. Amzing how 95% of disappeared with only one week of magnesium. Of course now I have taken too much and back almost to square one. The more I learn about magnesium the more comvinced I become that a shortage in the body can cause a myriad of unexplained symptoms and the more angry i GET AT DOCTORS for their lack of knowledge in this area , unwillininess to invesitgate possible deficiencies and their arrogance in belief that they know everything.
I have had symtpoms my whole life that all could have been related to magnesium. Years ago I started wioth fluttering heart. My heart beats were all over the place. My hubby said it sounded like a jazz band was playing in my chest. It was really scary and I was only 26 years old. Dr. was ready to send me to a cardiologist which had me very upset. Simply told me stay aqway from caffeine etc. After a few months it went away, but always returns when I am sick, under stress etc and has happened frequently this summer with my health being so poor. Magnesium is a major player in heart rhythm and should be the first thing one checks if anyhting abnormal occurs concerning heart rhythm. But dr. never even tested nor did he even mention it. How many illnesses are caused by vitamin/ mineral deficiencies? It is scary to think that we are depriving of body of essentials components it needs to function in a healthy state.
Who knows, maybe the whole candida overgrowth it exacerbated by lack of adequete nutrient to begin with. A depressed immune system is simply a sitting duck for not only candida, but cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc etc .
I am aware that candida naturally exists in our gi tract and has its purpose and reason to be there. it is the overgrowth that throws the body out of whack. Many times I do not believe thast some in this board truly have candida. In my own personla experience of having it twice once you get serious and strict about the diet and address and dietary mistakes judging by symptoms, most people should be able to completely rid themselves of the overgrowth in less than a year. My opinion for what it is worth. Anyone suffering for many years even when they have known they have it is doing something wrong to allow it to continue. The diet has to be tweaked to get to the root of the problem. Example: The first time I had candida I ate yogurt Sugar free of course. I overcame with diet alone, because there were not drs and no real info other than dr. crooks book. This time I cannot tolerate yogurt at all, it flairs up symptoms but some refuse to believe that dairy can cause a problem.
I have suffered with intense anxiety and many other scary horrifying symptoms. If I can spare one other person from some of the horror I have endured by making people aware of a possible magnesium deficiency then it is worth it. If I can get my life back and help anyone else that would be great.
Michelle
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This is a reply to # 293,908Well I agree wholeheartedly with you.
It has been quite disappointing to spend a few hours online and discover answers to questions you were under the impression that your very informed and very expensive doctors should know! My vision changed about 10 years ago, and now I know that it was linked to candida. While taking molybdenum to counter the acetaldehyde effects, my vision is remarkably clearer. I have experienced the heart palpations for years, and, while not severe, have been quite shaken by them, especially when they first started. I'm hoping that the magnesium supplementations will be of great help. It has already had an effect on my sleep. And it is quite funny that I first bought it to use as an alternate in my Liver Flush to promote diarrhea. Then after I got it, it occurred to me, that if I was too low in it, it would not work for me as a diarrhetic. That's when I started taking it supplementally. Like you, I often wonder if many of this board's participants have candida or some other underlying illness. I personally discovered an underlying gluten-intolerance while trying the candida/elimination diet, and now am certain that that has been at the root of my candida issues and possibly my magnesium deficiency. After trying several anti-fungals along with the diet, I have finally found success with pau d'arco. My thrush is better everyday.
I hope you have a chance to read the article/essay that I attached earlier. It seems to cover information on magnesium from the year 2000 up to 2005 with tons of references. It also gives a lot of guidance on balancing magnesium with calcium and taurine to avoid the diarrhetic effect as well as detox the excess calcium. His doses are a bit high for me, but I have started using the magnesium/calcium/taurine combo daily.
Good luck spreading the word, I do appreciate it and apology if anything I have written appeared to be an attack. Sometimes it is difficult to express myself in the forum format.- Re: Magnesium defiency could be the ... remi96
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This is a reply to # 293,914Did not think it was an attack, I just thought maybe a few misunderstood what I was trying to point out. The caps in the title are only so others on the board will see it. I did read a portion of the article, will get to it later tonight. Was unable to really get much work done this week so I will be working hard today since I seem okay at the moment. As I said I caused myself diarrhea by taking too much and now I am back to being deficient. Right now I am trying to take very little at a time and spaced apart and I have thrown out the stupid GNC capsules. They immediately disolve and much of it does not get absorbed ergo the diarhhea. I have top notch vitamins I take, but the have trace amount of dextrose so I was trying to avoid them but I am back to taking them now since they are so high quality and have not given me a problem before. Vicious cycle this is. I was so scared yesterday I actually let me hubby make a dr appointment. That's when you know its bad. But I would put money on the fact that by Monday I will be better and the dr will not find anything, they never do.
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This is a reply to # 293,914PrettySoulful,
Thank you for your very informative posts. And I'm glad that Michelle has found the wonderful neurological benefits of adding Mg to one's supplements. Thank you both for all the info. I always knew how important Mg was, but never took the time to research it. I'm never w/o my minerals, especially Mg. I swear by it!
Nancy
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This is a reply to # 293,908Hi Michelle,
That's how I feel too about helping people avoid what I went through, though I've still got some last "cleaning" to do. I also get mild to moderate seasonal flare ups, depending on rainy weather, mold count and musty rooms. I've had this off and on for many years because it is very hard to keep your blood Sugar right in the normal range. If you let it get too high, even if you're not eating anything with simple sugars and staying off the high glycemic foods, then of course you're feeding the candida. Normal blood Sugar levels are from 85-110 mg/dL. If it dips down to 70, which is easy to do when diabetic, then you run the risk of brain fog, poor cognitive skills, shakiness, loss of consciousness, etc. Vegetables and protein will not bring blood Sugar level back up quick enough to avoid passing out. So this is very dangerous to have candida and diabetes at the same time. You have to eat something sweet right away, which of course feeds candida. So for me it can be a vicious cycle sometimes from low and high blood sugar, only because of wacky sugar metabolism. On top of that candididiasis can CAUSE wacky sugar metabolism; hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia. It can be a real back and forth battle for me.
Since a Mg deficiency can produce many neurological ailments, I'm curious if it has helped eased your anxiety/panic?
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This is a reply to # 293,924C. albicans reduces zink, mag, and potassium--how it does this I'm not sure.--shroom
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This is a reply to # 293,930They are absorbed in the intestine, if intestine is compromised as is from candida, then absorbtion is limited
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This is a reply to # 293,931Yes, I am well aware of this. I'm wondering about the interrelationship of minerals, one to another, and how taking too much of one can cause the requirement for another to increase. Although we need more of certain minerals as most of us are aware, it doesn'tnecessarily mean we can absorb them. By not absorbing them, they just float around and can cause other symptoms, such as diahrrea from Mg.
This all makes me wonder... If you have malabsorbtion, then why does less than a normal amount give you diahrreah? This would suggest that your cells get super saturated very quickly from a small amount, the opposite of malabsorbtion. There is a whacky mechanism in all us candida folks.- Re: Magnesium defiency could be the ... remi96
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This is a reply to # 293,938Well, according to the research I have done the recommended dose for women my age is between 500-700 milligrams per day. Between ,my multi, my vitamin c and the cal/,mag I was taking upwards of 1500 milligrams a day. After a week of this I have had loose stools for over a week now every morning. That is a symptom of taking too much. That means you should back off. So last night I took 900 milligrams, still too much but I was better today. So far today I have only taken 350 milligrams and probably take another 100 before bed. I really believe since the burning seems to disappear that it must be due to magnesium. That is why I keep persisting in taking it. I know I must have been low on it. I am hesitant to get my hopes up that I finally found the answer, but as each day passes I am more andmore convinced. I will truly believe it if I have 1 month with no burning.
What happens it because of the malabsorbtion I had a deficiency. To fix the deficiency I began taking large doses which turned out to be too much. Obvioously there is a fine line between the right amount and too little. My body is sensitive and I only weigh 100 lbs so taking the max dose for an adult was too much. When you take too much you cause yourself another deficiency. Hope this makes sense. In any event I am trying to build up the level of magnesium in my body without causing myself to lose any thru diarrhea.
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This is a reply to # 293,908Hi Remi96. You say " Many times you do not believe that some in this board truely have candida. In your own personal experience serious diet and addressing dietry mistakes most people should be able to completely rid themselves of the overgrowth in less than 1 year"
I just think to suggest that some people on this board dont truely have candida is a little presumtuous. You are very fortunate if you get well from full blown systemic gut dysbiosis/ systemic candidiasis in a few months with simple dietry changes and a few supplements. If you have candida at a very low lying level after a course of Antibiotics I believe this maybe quite possible. However for many people INSPITE of doing EVERYTHING you suggest they dont make any significant improvements but that still does not mean they dont have candida! Check out the Curezone LiverFlush Forum, The Bowel Cleanse Forum , parasite Forum - its full of people who have found just diet and supplements dont work and candida is part of much bigger picture where a whole body cleansing protocol is required (i.e diet, supplements, liver cleansing, bowel cleansing, parasite treatment, lifestyle changes, exercise, stress management etc etc). Once candida is in its invasive form i.e systemic treatment becomes much more difficult complicated by liver and toxicity issues, leaky gut issues, organ weakness etc etc.. Some people have other health issues too that complicate treatment like Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome (myself) or diabetis but we still have candida. I believe my Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome is candida induced but of course treatment is more difficult and takes alot longer. Many posters on this board didnt start to make any significant recovery in their candida until they began bowel cleansing, Liver Cleansing (herbs or flushing) and in my experience this is a good way to go.
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This is a reply to # 293,882I have another hypothesis than you.
I think magnesium boosts immune system.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v57/n10/full/1601689a.html
I did take magnesium. After 400 mg, i woke up in the night and i felt like i had a flu. I had a headache and my body was very very hot.
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