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Hi, I stopped taking a low 3mg dose of Iodine 9 weeks ago due to detox reactions I could not cope with. I still have the same symptoms which appear to be bromide toxicity even now. It is on a 3 day cycle - I get 2 days of not feeling as bad and then a bad day of tingling all over, anxiety, increased pulse rate, swollen cervical neck glands which go up and down (and fatigue which I can keep at bay with salt). Symptoms are made worse if I overdo it. Does anyone know if it is possible to still have bromide detox symptoms after all this time or could it perhaps be hashimotos (I am waiting for antibody test results). I understood from posts I have read that salt/salt loading would get rid of this? I obviously cannot take Iodine at the moment until I know what this is. I continued to take all the supps and Sea Salt every day as well.Advertisement
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- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... just thinking
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This is a reply to # 2,362,691I think it's highly unlikely that these are bromine detox symptoms. I'm glad there are a few things you're taking that seem to help. Be sure that one thing you take is 200 mcg selenomethionine. Is there anything you do on that 3-day cycle, such as a day on which you exercise, or something you eat that you don't eat every day? Along with antibodies, there is other thyroid testing that would be useful. If you do have Hashi's, you may have food triggers that set up your immune system to react, attacking not only your gut but also your thyroid. One of the most common is wheat protein.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,858Thanks for your response. When this first started I took salt water but stopped it when my blood pressure went up several weeks ago. I restarted salt water just over a week ago and the fatigue days I was getting have been replaced by anxiety days, but at least I have my energy levels back, that's why I thought it might be latent bromine that had got stuck due to no salt. Since starting salt again I feel my kidneys are processing something, an anxiety feeling is usually followed by kidney ache and then I notice the urine has a distinct smell to it and I have also had a armpit smell similiar. It coincides with my lymph nodes swelling and pumping in my neck. The 3 day cycle seems to be linked to how much energy I use, it's not diet related. In general I feel better than I have been, but it all seems to be linked to what is going on in my throat/lymph nodes - they feel full sometimes just underneath my chin.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,362,870Pay attention to what Violien wrote. Also, she has detailed her journey here:
https://sites.google.com/site/violienshealth/home
Something there may click with you.
Regarding bromine, since you have some clues regarding smell, know that bromine coming out of pores, sweat, and urine stinks like goat. When my husband oil pulls for bromine, the taste and stench can be so vile that he nearly vomits. This clue may help you know whether the issue is bromine or something else.
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- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... Violien
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This is a reply to # 2,362,691It's probably not just bromide you're detoxing. It could be heavy metals. It could be candida dying. And other stuff that happens when your body is cleaning up.
Depending on the body's toxicity and nutrient status, every body gets different reactions to iodine.
In my case it was copper toxicity that I inherited from my mom. This was exacerbated by a lot of stress in my life. Also when I was about 7 I played with mercury from a broken thermometer. And also the vaccinations I had as a child probably did more harm than good (if any) because my body was compromised by the copper toxicity. Copper toxicity lowers zinc which then allows the body to accumulate all kinds of toxins. Copper toxicity also ruins vitamin C. It raises estrogen...
Try to think back and figure out what you've been exposed to. And then asses your nutrient status. What is lacking?- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... susie21
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Thank you both for your useful responses. I certainly had a lot of mercury exposure from broken thermometers. The closest smell I can relate to the urine is bacon? sounds weird I know, it's not overpowering but it's there. The main problem is my kidneys are struggling to keep up with whatever is being released, and when they back up my neck pulses a lot and my heart rate goes up, however I am managing a bit more normality in my life now, short walks, housework and shopping. I have an infra red sauna but I am a bit dubious about using it at the moment? I have been having epsom baths. I am going to read through Violins blog now.- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... Violien
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This is a reply to # 2,363,034Even if it is the kidneys that expel the toxins in the end, they have first been processed by the liver.
I find your symptoms sound more like a liver problem. Try adding digestive enzymes, Betaine HCl and especially bile to every meal. There are supplements that combine the three.
Heavy metals are processed in the liver and bound so that they can be eliminated via the stool. The liver needs bile for this. If your stomach is not acidic enough, bile will not be released (just as the digestive enzymes will not be released either). So adding the bile helps your liver process toxins. Even if your body is not able itself to produce enough of HCl, enzymes and bile, by adding them to your meals, your liver will still be able to detox you.
If you have a digestive problem, then it is still best to figure out why of course. First thing on my list would be a zinc taste test: dissolve a 50 mg zinc picolinate capsule in 250 ml of water and stir well. Some residue will remain, that is the magnesium stearate etc, ignore that. Take a tablespoon full in your mouth and swish. This solution should taste vile immediately. If it doesn't your deficient. Zinc (and Iodine and more) is vital for stomach acidity and other parts of the digestive system.
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Hi Violin, I think you are dead right! I had zincatest in the cupboard which is a liqid zinc check, my result was marginally low, there was a bitter taste which intensified but it wasn't vile immediately, the label described it as a furry mineral taste that develops as marginally low, taste like water was described as low but I could taste it so marginal, incidently I lost my sense of smell afer a bad URI in 2012 and it never came back properly. As for the liver, my poop has been light brown for a long time, and yellow sometimes lately. I take HCI and digestive enzymes, but I have now ordered ox bile which will arrive tomorrow. I have been doing coffee enemas every 3 days as I knew there was a problem. The colour actally improved the last 2 weeks since I started taking salt water again. I noticed that if I do sweat from the armpits which only happens when I haven't done a coffee enema for 2 or 3 days it has a sort of garlic smell, does that mean anything? Thanks for your help. One last question that has plagued me the last few weeks - I started a low 3mg dose of iodine in September and had no issue at all until February when the detox started right out of the blue, why did it wait 4 months?
- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... Violien
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This is a reply to # 2,363,161I don't taste the zinc taste test at all.
My armpits smell of onions if I don't put on deodorant. I'm not sure what smell means what though. When you find out let me know.
Detox only happens when the detox pathway for that toxin is open. All nutrients must be there. That means from start to finish.
When you're lucky enough to pull that off detox will start. Unfortunately it will make a sick person feel awful quickly because one of the necessary nutrients is bound to run out fast. The detox pathway is closed again and you feel awful because the toxins that your body dumped into your bloodstream cannot be removed from the body. In my case it's the zinc and B6 that run out first. Both are vital for detox and are depleted by my copper toxicity.
This explains why sometimes you do and other times you don't get a severe reaction to iodine: it depends on your nutrient status.
That's why I focus on digestion and getting nutrients into my body.
Like you I have light poop often. Also my digestion is a mess (bloating, air, pain, gurgling, cramps,..). With digestive help my body can just get by. I'm definitely detoxing more than just bromide and copper, not sure what though. I experience fatigue, heart pounding, alertness, sleepiness, pain, brain fog, and what not...
If it's copper toxicity molybdenum helps bind the unbound copper which makes you feel better within half an hour.
Selenium and NAC together will give relief from mercury poisoning. Selenium and NAC will allow your body to make (more) glutathione which will protect the body from mercury. Unfortunately NAC lowers copper and zinc as well, so be careful not to overdo it. Selenium on its own bind to mercury, which makes the selenium unavailable to the rest of the body, so extra selenium will help. Selenium helps make unsaturated fats harmless.
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Aha! mine could be onions smell too, it is certainly that or garlic. I think your symptoms are similiar to mine and I may well be detoxing the same things as you. Do you get good days at all? I had a "good day" yesterday, cleaned kitchen, went for a 40 minute walk with the dogs, went to tesco's after lunch then rescued a hedgehog. As I expected though, within an hour of getting home my heart rate went up (and stayed up all night), head went fuzzy, and started to tingle - throat pumping. So I have had to just sit all day and drink salt water, this is how it goes: feel ok and do stuff only to get a relapse for 24 hours. Have you had the same thing? I have also wondered whether I actually have silent thyroiditis as that can follow a viral infection which was the start of all this 9 weeks ago- I definitely had hyper symptoms the first few weeks and it's sort of gone a bit hypo now apart from the increased pulse which would fit with the infectious nature of it.- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... Violien
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This is a reply to # 2,363,181I do get good days. Unexpected days. On those days I do as much as I can. So that I can rest on bad days.
Anything that raises your metabolism raises detox:
- eating: eating anything will raise metabolism and by doing so will raise detox. But carbs are worst: they always cause me to have palpitations.
- being warm: hot weather always makes me feel lousy. I do very well moving around in cold weather (not sitting still because I'm not cold weather tolerant). Climbing in hot weather makes me have headaches, racing heart, breathless. My hubby and I used to go to the sauna. I always got sick afterwards. Saunas make me dump far too much copper too fast. I haven't been lately; I still think it's too soon.
- moving around: although this helps your lymph flow and also promotes elimination of toxins, moving around also raises detox.
- ..
When I have a good day I'm fit but also very lucid. On bad days I feel like I'm moving through thick sludge and my brain just won't wake up. Especially decision making is compromised.
For me, the rapid heart rate is not the same as begin hyper (in the sense of the thyroid working too hard). As soon as my heart settles downs I feel tired. My thyroid is struggling because of all the bromide coming out.
The bromide is coming from my breasts. My left breast is 80% cleared, my right about 25%. They clear at different rates, weird. Any time my detox pathways open up my breast hurt and I just know a bad day is coming along because of the bromide that's being released.
I do have to say that now I understand what's going on, it's much easier to tolerate the detox. On the other hand I have no idea how much copper I still have to detox.- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... susie21
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It is so similiar to me, although I never set out to detox, it just happened so I have to manage it. the palpitation or fast heart thing, mine just starts up for no obvious cause - I have had to take low dose beta blockers for it as it got so bad going on for hours/all night but Im hoping this will go one day. Even on a good day my resting pulse is 90. The good days are to be cherished although it is only the body having a rest before it whacks you again I suppose. How long have you been in this situation? I am not taking any Iodine at all and I haven't since 9 weeks ago because of the fast pulse, I am too frightened to. Plus I still can't be sure if it is a virus or a detox, or both, how would one know the difference? I certainly had lots of sinus type pains and what felt like inflammation in the head up until 2 weeks ago but this has stopped now and I just get the cold chills during the day and sweats normally in bed.- wake up, little susie, wake up trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 2,363,286i just looked down through this thread you are taking things you shouldnt, like beta blockers, and not taking things you should, like iodine.
your problems are anything but Iodine toxicity. or detox caused by iodine. your problems are mineral deficiencies, in particular oxygen, water and salt. you are dehydrated and potassium deficient big time. but you cant take potassium because of the meds you have resorted to.
these are some of the dangers of self diagnosis/treatment. in your case its hard to tell where to start first to fix it. like most people, you probably cant take the time to do what you need to do, like escape out of reach of Cell Phone s and their ilk, breathe fresh air, rest and fast. the hacks and quacks in the pharma industry will gladly take your money and your health. you gotta decide.
correct me if i am wrong, folks, but 3mg a day of Iodine doesnt hardly qualify as Iodine supplementation, does it? honestly - and i do have a lot of sympathy for this womans suffering - i dont see what it has to do with this forum at all.- Re: wake up, little susie, wake up susie21
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Hi Trapper, thank you for your reply - I fully agree with you, and I am drinking salt water, eating potassium rich foods and getting as much fresh air as I can. I was given a very low 10mg dose beta blocker because my pulse rate was going up so high to 125, I am trying not to take more than 1 a day. I am waiting for the results of a complete thyroid panel test as it is thought I have hashimoto. I have posted here because I believe taking Iodine initiated some sort of healing crisis my body couldnt cope with and like everyone else I am looking for answers. I do want to start taking Iodine again but after my test results come back. I would add that I built up to 3mg of Iodine over a few months and felt quite good with no detox symptoms until the virus or whatever it was started, then I got totally overwhelmed with toxicity. thanks again, I have taken on board what you say.- Re: wake up, little susie, wake up just thinking
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This is a reply to # 2,363,393Know that magnesium is a natural beta blocker.
If you're low on salt with a high heart rate, salt will fix the problem. But if you're low on magnesium, salt won't fix high heart rate, but a beta blocker might. However, a beta blocker can't fix other low-magnesium issues.
Likewise with progesterone, a hormone that is such a blessing for so many reasons. Progesterone, magnesium, salt, iodine, and potassium -- not the only important issues, but well worth sorting out.
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This is a reply to # 2,363,355Completely agree with Trapper at this. Iodine is out of body within a couple of days. So not taking it for weeks /months still blaming it for ones problems is like attacking the postman for the invoice he might bring.
Twice in my life I have experienced heart palpitations en masse. First time when I was hypo thyroid 10 years back, next time when progesterone was low. //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2352796#i
Both times Iodine was needed; the latter (9 years after) / menopause problems; progesterone calmed it all down. It can start as low as in our 30`ies; the lack of progesterone (in that case thyroid hormones doesn't work)
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This is a reply to # 2,363,398Thanks both, I am already taking magnesium glycinate 1000mg a day and a host of other supplements, I am nearly 60 so I am not sure progesterone would help me. I was not in any way blaming Iodine for this, I only felt that it was one of the triggers that exposed a weakness I had, having probably been hypothyroid for many years but other than feeling the cold and having low blood pressure/pulse I had good energy levels, which I still have now. It's a complicated thing for me to get my head round which is why I keep asking questions. I expect to get my thyroid panel results next week which I have done privately then I can hopefully decide which way forward. I am being careful as I do not know how good my heart is, there is a lot of heart disease in my family and I think I may have inherited the tendency although my recent ECG was ok. The UK is rubbish for getting help with this sort of thing, wish I lived in the USA. Once again thank you all for your helpful comments.
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This is a reply to # 2,363,410Well, I had my thyroid results, everything within range and TPO was 176 so I do have hashimotos. The symptoms I have had are due to chronic sinus congestion! Other than the pulsing neck I had absolutely no symptom of blocked sinuses at all. After spending 3 weeks steaming etc I am feeling better but I do now have painful sinuses that throb a lot. I have started taking Iodine again and will build up as before. Thanks again to all who gave advice.
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This is a reply to # 2,367,835It's a good thing you guys talked susie21s into going back on iodine. How's she been doing lately? Oh, this was her last post? Hasn't been seen from in 3 months? Good job guys.
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Hi, I am still around thanks. After numerous tests and visits to various specialists I was finally diagnosed with pyroluria by a very well known and skilled british naturopath. This appeared to have caused my prolonged detox of 9 months - and it was triggered by the Iodine in an indirect way as the long term inability to use B6/zinc (from birth) had hampered my body's cleansing abilities regardless of all the detoxing I thought I had achieved over the years. The 3mg dose of Iodine was the last straw for my poor liver which started dumping in the lymph with nowhere else to go, and I ended up with severely dry and stagnant lymph which caused all the throbbing neck and palpitations. I was advised to cut all grains, oils and fats and have only clean animal protein, vegetables and fruits, along with lecithin, magnesium, P-5-P,and zinc as well as a good multi (and Iodine of course). It's still early days but I feel hell of a lot better. It would seem pyroluria sufferers cannot handle grains or carbs very well in general, and the liver cannot process fats hence the toxic build up. I have a follow up consultation soon so I will post again. Once my zinc/b6 has stabilized I should be able to increase the iodine to a higher level which would be nice!
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This is a reply to # 2,363,398Or it could be the fact that 3mg of Iodine is an overdose and has caused hashimotos in the past? Destroying the thyroid gland will result in long term side effects not related to how much Iodine is currently in your system.
A better analogy would be swallowing a piece of glass, it passes through you, and is completely out of your system in days. But for some reason you still have internal bleeding weeks afterwards.
I can't believe how much damage you guys are doing over here.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,691maybe , you all just kicked a bunch of junk in you to be only half way out, now it is hung up. Like taking a sh*t but not letting the poop drop off. lol. Potassium iodide, one gram, I'm about to gobble down. Have not had any Iodine in a few weeks, I like to starve myself of it a little bit, so my body doesn't forget how to store it. 100 mg is when stuff really starts to happen for me
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It's sad your post has been viewed 700 times. I don't see any replies unless the were direct messages. My post has 80 views and only one response. I too believe I have some bromide detox issues. I never had any problems until I took iodine. I took for two months then stopped because I was getting acne. A month after that a ton of my hair fell out. A ton! Dermatologist didn't have much to say so I just went on. It seemed to be growing back then again a month and a half after first shedding it happened again. I still have hair but all the thickness and density I had is gone. I hope not forever. I too am using the Celtic unrefined salt, vit c, selenium, b1, magnesium. No more mass shedding but head still tingles and itches intermittently. And cheeks are still flushed. Acne is a little better but still have little bumps. I wish people would respond to us. Just wanted you to know you aren't alone.- Re: Still getting detox reactions af... susie21
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This is a reply to # 2,390,018Hi, I am afraid you will not get the right sort of help on this forum - most advice is being given by mega dosers who have been doing it for years and most of which had no underlying issues, or if they did it was temporary. Here's what I have learnt - if you have hashimotos or think you may have it you should address the problems caused by the hashimotos first. Taking massive doses of Iodine with undiagnosed hashi's will quite likely cause your issue as your adrenals will have been weak for many years. I am afraid the companion nutrients are only going to go so far and work better for bog standard Iodine deficiency. Although an underactive thyroid is primarily caused by lack of iodine, by the time you have symptoms a lot of other issues and deficiencies will be present. There are numerous root causes for an underactive thyroid, and although taking Iodine may help it is only a small part of the answer. You may have high reverse T3 which means iodine won't help much, you are likely to have low iron, vit D, B12 etc etc - whack a high dose of iodine on top of that and your adrenals will get very stressed - ie hair falling out. Can you afford blood tests?
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