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I read this 9-year-old (!) post by CheiltisFighter and found a lot of sense in their post. I may just have Seborrheic Dermatitis , which I may have mistaken for exfoliative cheilities. I have had this for 10-12 years. I have tried several things (leaving alone, lip balms, no-biting, diet changes, doctor visit, etc etc), but none helped.
The white stuff that forms on my lips seems more like a secretion than dying of the top layer of the lip. It seems like I don't have a top layer (epidermal layer) to begin with. My "EC"/SD is not painful, does not cause cracking, bleeding, or swelling. I used to bite my lips (and still do occasionally), and also have been using lip balm since I was a child.
My theory is there is some fungus or weird moldy stuff forming on my lips because of excess moisture. Yupp! All this time I thought this was the result of my lips being too dry, but now it seems it's a result of my lips being kept too moist! I sleep with a thick layer of lip balm on (usually contains coconut oil), which soaks the white stuff and helps me slough them off in the morning after brushing my teeth.
What I've been doing for the past week is applying witch hazel solution to my lips twice a day with a Q-tip. The first three days, the stuff was too hard so I bit it off (I know, I know.) and applied witch hazel. The next few days, I did not have to bite the skin off. I took a towel, wet a section of it with warm water, and rubbed my lips in circular motions to get rid of the flakes (this is "normal lip scrubbing" for those with normal, no-EC/SD lips). This helps take off only the flakes and lets the thinner layer of skin or whatever that forms now to stay on. I then soak with witch hazel. Scrub once a day, witch hazel once or twice a day. I did NOT use lip balm AT ALL during the last week. ESPECIALLY NOT OVERNIGHT since the crappt mold or whatever would probably form again.
It's been one week and my lips are very dry. They are not crusty and building up, but are just very dry. They are somewhat hard. What I have deduced is I am helping my lips learn to repair themselves without the help of moisture, which only provides a temporary layer of goo. Using witch hazel in cream or balm form would be counterproductive, we need something in liquid form that disappears, as CheiltisFighter stated.
Today my lips are very dry, so I put on a lip balm (it was very hard for me not to apply any since I'm a lip balm addict). It's a light argan oil lip balm which does not contain ingredients that wet my lips. I am now going to continue the witch hazel treatment and am going to use lip balms that I previously avoided using because they didn't soak the white stuff (so now the non-wetting balms are helpful).
I don't have a before picture because I never let my lips get to that ugly point (always sloughed the white stuff off) except leave-alone days about 5 or 6 years ago.
I will need to use lipstick soon, so I'll be using liquid lipsticks that dry down completely instead of creamy ones which may just cause more problems.
I will continue updating you on my lip condition. I'll try to answer any questions you have as well!
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This is a reply to # 2,345,893I don't even know what is going on with my lips. They had crusty buildup. I exfoliated with a warm towel, and the two large crusts broke into smaller sections. I then treated exposed sections with witch hazel, peeled away any loosened skin, cut them off with nail scissors, and continued applying witch hazel.
I took a hot shower and exfoliated. My lips have huge vertical red lines now, at the spots where the two crusts had separated. The crusts were gone and I applied witch hazel. I was left with a soggy mess of white stuff as well as red lines. I then washed the witch hazel off with warm water. Not wearing any lip balm now.
My lips feel smooth except in some places, where it's flakey and the bits feel like they need to be bitten off.
My top lip isn't as weird as by bottom lip though.
Hopefully this weirdness is a sign changes are happening for the better. I will get back to you with another update in a few days, or whenever I notice weird changes.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,346,225My lips are still getting crusts. I have not been using balms. Not really seeing much of an improvement.
I bite off or scrub off the callouses and apply lots of witch hazel. Currently have crusty callouses peeling at certain spots.
The plan is to manage without balms and to get to a point where crusts don't form as much, or to get one tough layer of callous on the lips which is not followed by further growth/excretion of the white stuff underneath.
I might start using petroleum jelly and only cutting peeling bits off when they're ready to fall off, as suggested by Daniel Miller. Otherwise, the grey crusty lips I have right now just look ridiculous.
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I have been leaving the crusts on. I apply a thick coat of Vaseline Aloe Vera every night (dab on and spread with very light pressure, not rub on). When I wake up I put a tissue between my lips and press them to take the Vaseline off, and do it until all the Vaseline is off. Why Vaseline? Because my stash of natural lip balms all have some form of oil in them, like coconut oil, and the oil penetrates and peels the white stuff off too easily.
I then brush my teeth. I let my lips dry. Then I cut off the crusts which are pushed up from the lips using a nail scissor. I don't cut the crusts when they are wet because I may take off too much skin which is not ready to come off. If I shower, I do not touch my lips. They get soggy, and I let them dry. They dry into a hard layer. I then cut off any crusts ready to come off.
I do NOT exfoliate with a towel anymore. I simply do not rub my lips.
Today, crust peeled in one area and the skin underneath was so soft! And not red, inflamed, shiny, or sticky.
I am continuing this process because I want that feeling of the soft lip bit I felt today all over my lips. I'm guessing that soft bit will form a crust too, and it will take several cycles of this crusting and cutting to get anywhere near being cured, but I'm willing to wait. Fingers crossed! I will keep updating.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,347,947I have to wear lipstick tomorrow so I helped some crusts peel in the shower. I didn't use force, I slightly pushed any loose skin upwards slowly. Any skin toughly attached to my lips did not come off. I'm hoping whatever I took off was actually ready to come off and I hope I didn't hinder my progress too much. I feel bad about it though. The layer that had formed below the crust was attached to the lips and did not want to come off. It got soggy when wet or Vaseline-d, but did not peel readily. I still have some whitish layer on my lips, which I'm hoping is a stubborn layer. I put on Vaseline before bed as usual. Hoping I didn't throw myself back to square one. 😓- Day 26 AlesiaLips
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Okay so I may have taken too much skin off. I didn't rub hard, actually I was pretty gentle, but I still feel it would've been better if I could leave those crusts on for longer.
I wore liquid lipstick today, and when I took it off I noticed some lace-structured skin on my lips. I got this before too and it was pretty hard to take off. You can see bits of crust on my lips, and I'm hoping it's the remainder of my previous crust buildup (or atleast the last layer underneath the crusts which hopefully refused to come off, in which case I'm safe). I'll find out how badly I messed up in a few days. If this layer peels fast, I have messed up. If not, this is likely a remaining layer which did not come off from the gentle finger swipes, and I'm good.
My lips are very dry so I put Vaseline on. I'm aware Vaseline does not moisturise and probably further dries lips out, but that's the reason I'm using it in the first place because I don't want my crusts soaking in oils and coming off too fast. Vaseline helps my skin feel less dry by providing a coating. I don't know exactly how much aloe vera extract is in this (probably very little), but I feel it helps.Advertisement
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I needed to wear lipstick on the last week of December 2016, and abandoned my leave-alone routine for a few days. Got back on track on 6th January.
I let my lips peel by themselves and don't rub them or anything. I use a lip balm at night, one which will not cause the skin to come off (mainly Shea Butter based ones). I trim skin ready to come off. I don't wet them too much, but wetting them doesn't cause an issue if I let them dry back down instead of touching them. I dab lip balm on instead of rubbing it in to prevent skin coming off. I don't apply lip balm when my lips are wet.
I got a sinus infection recently and am on my 6th day of a course of Antibiotics . I am also taking a Zinc, Iron, Folic Acid supplement. The cold has let me keep my lips looking ugly because if anyone asks I can just say it's because of my cold.
I'm on the third layer now. The first layer is most gone, a few remain on the very top. The second layer is still there on the outer thirds of my lips. They're stubborn and don't come off, and I'm letting them be. Top lip is being generally weird and less easy to trim and keep hard, but I'm trying my best. The lowest layer is the most susceptible to getting soggy and coming off so I try not to touch it.
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I applied a lip balm with coconut oil yesterday because the very thick, almost nails-like scabs weren't peeling at all, and didn't seem to be getting any more layers underneath. Not sure if it was a terrible move, but almost all the crusts came off today. I didn't rub them at all, not even lightly. I took the balm off very carefully after waking up. Some areas were already coming off, so I trimmed them. When I washed my face, the scabs first hung off, then came off completely with no touching or rubbing, just water splashes. Right now I seem to have a layer, and hopefully it won't peel or crust up as quickly as usual. I'm not using any lip balm right now.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,351,359Just posting this for those who may find this post years later and not find any closure.
I have ditched this method and have started another. My new approach involving Chapstick is in a new thread.
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This is a reply to # 2,347,947hi
1. December 9 did you apply Vaseline?
2. did Vaseline make keratin white and solf? (easy to remove)- Re: Three Week Update (With Pictures... AlesiaLips
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This is a reply to # 2,348,3991. No, I started Vaseline after 2 weeks.
2. No, they don't become easy to remove/very soggy. It just helps whatever is ready to come off lift up a little after I brush my teeth.- Re: Three Week Update (With Pictures... tiger10
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This is a reply to # 2,348,410For about 12 years, since I was 12 or 13 years old. My case is probably a self-induced skin issue since I used to bite skin off my lips (still do sometimes but not as frequently).
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