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Forum without #461 and Parazapper?
Since it appears that Parazapper and his alter ego #461 have bought CureZone and monopolize every conversation, harass and attack anyone and everyone for little or no reason I was hoping someone out there knows of a Website that does not cater to Narcissists and sociopaths.
Interesting Marketing techniques probably learned from the Government or Big Pharma. Or maybe it's those evil aliens. I know the moderator will delete this post because it is only OK to say whatever you want as long as you are feeding CZ money. Too bad the Webmaster doesn't notice that legitimate forum members are disappearing.
I would believe that there must be a website that does not allow this kind of behavior.
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- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... Flossy
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This is a reply to # 2,287,912There's none. A raving narcissist, Don Mau , took over Topix scabies. I have found you're lucky to find one or two people who's condition is similar and use personal emails as contact for support and trials of meds.
Narcies love forums and the energy required to navigate around the trolling is more than what it is worth.
What amazes me is that the "Right Fighters" don't set up their own websites. Not enough of an audience I guess.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... notmycircus
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This is a reply to # 2,287,912I completely agree with you. I learned so much when I first started reading through this site, but in the last 6 months or so it has become the 461 & Parazapper Show. He/She/It is always the first to respond to any post and it's always the same spiel, no matter what the OP's health issues are. I don't trust CureZone any more. Whether this was its intention or not, they have certainly pushed people away from the site and brought its credibility (along with all the posters') into question. There's a few that I know have good intentions, like Cimber38, Stillbattling, Forbetterorworse, Mattk3, xelaretaks, et al. They don't claim to have the answer for everyone, but they have some really great tips for those that can relate to their health issues. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack to find legit people on curezone these days.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #69242
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This is a reply to # 2,288,926Blame the moderators. Those two should have been banned a long time ago. One solution is for everyone to only post in the RX forum where hopefully they will be moderated.
It's not that hard to set up a phpbb forum.
The irony is that as a part time troll I was harassed by crazy46 for trying to clear the way for new posters - still trying to wrap my head around that one. I was actually accused of being a do-gooder as if that is something wrong. Schizophrenics are the only ones who can out-troll me.
There are only 4 or 5 worthwhile forums on cz anyway, someone needs to step up and put cz out of its misery.
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- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,287,912My, My---I'm flattered. My job is nearly done, and the cartel cronies are nearly all arrested, even some from here, eh, (doesn't at all sound like) 'Iodine'? Of course any critter gets quite annoyed when you lift the rock and they must scurry for cover again. Squeak, squeak, squeak.
It's funny how those who are here for reasons I am quite sure are less than honorable and honest do go on about losing the free and easy days when they could criticize, ridicule, insult and out right lie with impunity. Seems I've upset that dear little professional apple cart here.
I only call you on your crap. It's pretty obvious, really. Other previous posters got banned if they dared confront you, and real people stopped feeling safe to post actual stuff for fear of being attacked, so of course, your little manipulative sock puppet shows/fables went unopposed.
But my ability to confront you ought to tell you, things are changing. The truth is back at Curezone, but maybe you guys *have* sucked it dry for so long it won't be able to recover, like a terminally ill patient, being devoured by the ravenous undiagnosed parasites and deadly life sucking infections they carry.
I've dealt with most of you under several names. So who is it pretending to be Flossy--who you know was banned? So, do pretend away. I'm so sure that 'clever' ruse would fool everybody, right? *rolls eyes*
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,289,812Well, almost without 461. Nice try tho guys. At least parazapper hasn't made an appearance yet, so a qualified success. Any of you who have read my brushes with 461 on her thread will know that I'm no apologist for her. In fact, we are arguably in diametrically opposing camps on practically every issue that matters - with one notable and important exception - the stranglehold that the lamestream (especially 'big pharma') has over our health choices. On that point at least, we fight as one.
So 461 is a busybody who sticks her nose in everybody's else's business? With friends like that, who needs enemies, etc etc? There may be some truth in all of that, and a lot more besides, and it would explain why she was the only respondent to my recent post in the cancer conspiracy forum (http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2292013), But speaking for myself, I'll take support from any quarter, even the occasional fruitcake.
Any attempt to exclude her from 'the conversation' plays right into her hand, which is basically 461 contra mundum. Anybody who disagrees with her is part of the conspiracy, the brainwashed minions of the elite, etc. I've been on the receiving end of her vitriol, and occasionally given as good as I got. All to no avail, of course. Nothing, but nothing, is gonna persuade her that she is barking up the wrong tree. Despite all that, I still prefer to invoke Voltaire: I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. OK, I probably wouldn't go quite as far as sacrificing my life for her rants, but the principle still stands. Unless there is direct contravention of forum rules, any form of censorship should be avoided at all costs.
Having said all that, what concerns me much more about cz is:
- The sometimes dangerous 'remedies' that get recommended. Some DD via cross-referecing in a search engine is pratically mandatory for that reason.
- The dated format, navigation, 'look & feel', etc. It's in dire need of a complete overhaul.
- The lack of apparent interest from members, in terms of responses to posts.
But to answer the question directly about alternative sites, possibly the best solution is to go to specialist sites. For example, for fasting, detox & related issues, I would go to http://www.fastingconnection.com/doctors-blog/latest. You can't post there anymore (except possibly questions for the fasting doctor), but it's still an invaluable resource with a huge range of useful info on a lot of health-related issues. Just type in a key word in the search field, and away you go. For cancer and many other auto-immune related diseases, there are Cancer Tutor and The Truth About Cancer, among many others. Then there are the standard general health sites, such as HSI, NN, and Joseph Mercola. Granted, none of them are forums, but if you go to the relevant article via a search, you often get valuable tips from the comments below the main articles. Often a lot more reliable than you'll get from cz too. But if you're saying we need a radically improved forum for the altmeds, I couldn't agree with you more. CZ is well past it's shelf-life date.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,342Well, I appreciate your (almost) support, loquat1.
And we agree on the idea of limiting censorship, as well, so ALL the fruit cakes are free to post their opinion, no matter how mainstream they may be. :)
If only you could see how good the 'elites' were at running all kinds of scams, not just the medical ones, but it's coming. Pretty soon, you'll not need to take my word for it.
And believe me (or not), since this is a health site thoroughly over run with the pharmaceutical cartel's employees, I actually don't know if there are any real folks here who aren't afraid t to post for fear of attack, or being ignored.
As it is it's like a puppet show one hand pretty much just talking to the other, from what I've seen, but not usually to a real poster, cuz they're not in the 'show'. Asking fear-mongering type questions and someone else (assigned no doubt) pops up with some half helpful, or not at all helpful information, with plenty of cautionary fear mongering and ads for this supplement/drug or that.
Then some second 'poster' will pop in with their 'experience' and how they're still struggling but a bit better because they used whatever supplement or drug, and sometimes maybe a third with their fear mongering take/sales pitch as well.
But the thread then fades as the employees move on to a new fear-mongering post. To make it seem the norm that good health isn't attainable, and you'll always need 'drugs' or supplements' is my guess. The cartel owns both industries now, so of course they want you to believe that---gotta keep robbing us blind somehow.
Needless to say, guess who these folks are. I keep calling them on their attempts to manipulate and terrify the real posters. I am a pain in their norm. :) As least we've gotten rid of most of the thieves/con people.
My other stuff, I know is way out there. Don't mean I'm wrong though. In retrospect, it'll be quite obvious--well at least about their longest running scam, 'religion' of ANY sort. Even as their pharmaceutical scam is. It's going to be one of the last areas addressed though--soo many rely on it.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,295,371It wasn't my intention to turn this thread into another spat between us, but I'll give this one more go.
Firstly, if this site is so offensive to your sensibilities, why not launch your own? Or are you simply too afraid to discover for yourself the level of support you'll receive?
Secondly, if things don't pan out the way you expect, at what point will you concede that you have been led up the garden path? After one year? Five? Ten maybe? Will time be the great healer in your case, or will it simply drive you deeper into a vortex of self-delusion, self-pity, and self-justification? Guess only time will tell, but I wish you well just the same. I really do.
Finally, I see no evidence for any loss of power by the 'cartel'. As long as the majority blindly follow the 'men in white coats', it will never happen. Doesn't mean that sites like this one should stop telling the truth about them tho, even if that truth doesn't quite align with yours.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,396Huh.. I'm here as you are--to expose the despicable lies of the cartel. So I'm not going anywhere. Folks need to wake up. I think that's your reason for being here, no? If nothing more than to plant seeds of doubt?
The rest is just information for later. I appreciate the people who support me, from the safety of private emails. But it's not for now, really.
It should be obvious within the year, but who knows how long before they declare full disclosure. Folks are very traumatized and fragile.
And this to help us, but that doesn't mean most folk could handle it. They're still quite despairing and terrified. Nobody can see the future.
So while it will happen, it's taking more time than it did last time through in the remembrance of those outside the time loop created for as many of us to make full enlightenment as possible.
They're thinking another time thru even. I'm letting them know humanity may not be able to pull out in time this time, much less another time through it. *ack* - Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,295,396
I have no problem with you being here; not in the least. But you missed my qualifier - 'if this site is so offensive to your sensibilities...........'. The point being that if you are going to publish your off-the-wall (some might say, whacky) ideas or theories here, and attack those who disagree with you, then you need to develop a thicker skin, broader shoulders, and stop being so precious when they respond in kind. Humanity is not monolithic or homogeneous when it comes to personal beliefs. Never has been, never will be. So don't be too surprised when the majority refuse to fall in line behind you.
You believe (or at least hope) they'll all be behind bars within a year? The only way that's ever gonna happen is after a 2nd revolution. Seems highly imporbable to me, considering the noose is tightening around the necks of those who speak truth to power: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/war-whistleblowers/.
You are just one very small step away from living in a police state, if not already de facto living in one. Seems to me you have a lot more to worry about than mere aliens. Time you woke up from your own alien-inspired dream and faced the real world. It's a lot scarier than any alien I've ever encountered.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,470Interesting that defending one's position and pointing out the fallacies of the oppositions is 'offended sensibilities'. I'd put it in the category of debating, myself, which I always got 'A's in in college. I'm not offended, just sorta sad.
I am well aware of how what I've learned isn't the norm, trust me. But the info will be necessary in the future. I'm just giving people a preview of coming attractions.
It doesn't matter if they 'fall in line' behind me. I'm alerting them to what's coming, is all. And humanity hasn't been aligned with the true overarching sentience since almost the beginning---like I said, the 'elites' invented all those 'religions' exactly for the purpose of dividing us. Look how well it worked!
Actually the highest level of 'elites', behind the plot for a police state are arrested. The new government is in place, but it's tricky revealing themselves,, as much as people are conditioned to resist believing good will happen from our government again.
They'd just think we'd been taken over by aliens or something (instead of the 'angels' just helping), as programmed as they are. So yes, we were on the verge of a police state, and they are slowly easing us back off.
Too bad, you can't see what horrible shape humanity is in right now. Things are still borderline breaking loose 'panic in the streets, rioting, looting, murdering'. Especially those who were already being primed for it, like Sharpton's crew.
Our overarching sentience really hopes this can go as bloodlessly as possible.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,295,530Ironically, I also would call it debating, but you're the one who has complained bitterly on several occasions about being attacked for your views on these matters, conveniently ignoring your attacks against those who challenge you. If you're gonna keep moving the goalposts in that way, then debating anything with you will be quite a lot like trying to nail jello to a tree.
This is not a one-way street, where you pronounce, and we all obediently accept without question. So I repeat, if you're gonna publish some way out theories about parasites, aliens, oracles, personal revelations, etc etc, then you had better be prepared for some adverse reactions to your views.
If, against all the odds, you turn out to be right, then presumably it will become self-evident to us lesser mortals in due course.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,645It will become evident.
And of course you'd say that I wasn't fighting fair when you are hardly a paragon of virtue yourself. I'd go back and dig out examples of attacks but good grief, it'd take a couple of days. I have better things to do. Not gonna chase my tail for you. I know that's what you're trying to get me to do.
How many times have I said exactly that about posting unusual 'elite' forbidden information. That you constantly keep saying this makes me think, like David1o1, and his 'gotta prove you killed parasites with a picture of them' rhetoric regardless of any thing I said, and I know he was a cartel flunkie, that you probably are too, sadly.
Like there a number of employees who are espousing supplement heavy, but not very effective methods, that I've tried along the way with little to no success, or some that any body with any common sense would NEVER try ---like Turpentine for pity sake! Or those pushing parasite cleanses with out zappers which, in this day and toxic age just makes the problem worse. Oh there are so many ways they try to trick people out of getting well and not needing any drugs OR supplements.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,295,669The difference (as noted elsewhere) is that you are incapable of distinguishing a refutation/critique of your beliefs from a personal attack. The two are not synonymous.
But you're quite right, we're simply on a merry-go-round with this one. There's an unbridgeable gulf between us, and only time will vindicate one of us. I credit any unfortunate readers of these exchanges with enough intelligence to be able to make up their own minds.
Let me know how things pan out for you and your worldview over the next few years. I just hope you have the constitution to cope with the disappointment that's heading your way.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,695I hope you do too, although some one with the skill set you have probably can just make themselves over to fit any situation.
But as you say, time will tell. And really an Oracle is actually the basis for the 'elites' so called prophets. We're the ones who actually did all the prophesies. John the baptist? Nah, really Jone or Jan, depending on where she was (it was a shortened version of her roman name). They often gave views of significant future events. So, it's all part of the job.
And it's only your opinion that I can't distinguish---one doesn't finish a double masters degree in systems counseling by being that limited. I'd have heard about it in multiple sessions of feed back from my peers and faculty. Say, you never said why you think you're such a superior thinker. What's your masters or PhD in, anyway??---Anyway, I quite disagree with your questionable assessment.
Like I said, nobody knows the future until it's the present, but all the future lines show that energy strip dissolving the surface of the earth and everything on it. Really, the only thing undecided yet is will we survive it. I'm just ringing the bell. It's my job. I don't need you to like me, for me to warn you.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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This is a reply to # 2,295,712Thanks for the warning. I'll take it on advisement, as you ppl like to say.
As for the surface of the earth dissolving, I hope for your sake that's not a reference to the super-volcano simmering under YNP. If that thing blows, you're likely to feel the effects long before the rest of us.- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... #461
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This is a reply to # 2,295,768Nope, don't mean that--but it's like the weather. It isn't climate change, it's the coming energy strip. It's affecting the earth too, unfortunately. It will be unlivable on the surface around 85 years from now.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,879Indeed.
Humanity needs to get a wiggle on. If we don't make it, everything, spirits included, are dissolved. It's the end of the human race, period. No more lives.
Of course from your 'elite's useless eater' perspective, that's probably ok with you, other than of course you'll be one of them.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,342PS But to get back to topic, forgot to give this site a mention: http://alternative-doctor.com/
Also a good resource, & pretty sure there are many others.
- Re: Forum without #461 and Parazappe... loquat1
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