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Since I can't respond directly to your post, I am creating a new post to respond to you.
"Mainstream paleo is not paleo. Of course it is poison, that is why it was invented, so as to make doctors rich." So then we agree that mainstream paleo is poison and this is exactly what I am debating. This movement is growing and poisoning the population and they say nothing about things being raw.
"Pretending that any mainstream diet is paleo is like putting up a straw man. Starting to look like trolling."
I can assure you that I am not a troll, look back at some of my previous posts, I only state my opinion on topics. You may say that these mainstream diets are not paleo and maybe you are right but who gives the definition of what is paleo and what is not. Here is one website I visited:
http://thepaleodiet.com/what-to-eat-on-the-paleo-diet/
According to you this is not paleo, fine but they are specifically calling it paleo, meanwhile telling you how to cook all of the meat for your day's worth of food. I'm sure you have seen many other similar web-sites and 'health-gurus' writing books on this topic to make money. This is the type of diet that is being touted as the 'best diet for humans' and according to me this will surely bring disease to most people if not in the short term, then certainly in the long run. If you are advocating a purely raw paleo diet, then that's fine and that is a whole different thing that I have no experience with, although I still don't feel it would be the 'best diet for humans'. Right now I am protesting the mainstream paleo diet that consists mainly of cooked meat. You say it is not paleo, then fine sue them and tell them to stop using the name paleo, otherwise I still have to protest this diet and it seems you also don't agree with their diet. All the posts that I have read of people having all kinds of side effects and the people I have met that follow 'paleo' are all eating cooked meat.
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This is a reply to # 2,136,549Live mostly off raw meat and animal fat and only have a bowel movement every 5 days? I think I'll skip his diet advice. - Re: Response to Fivetoedsloth fivetoedsloth
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This is a reply to # 2,136,549Your link leads to a website promoting the drivel of L. Cordain, notorious troll.
I suggest a definition of the paleolithic diet should be: what paleolithic ancestors ate that resulted in the perfect health shown by their remains.
The scientific method requires that guesses must be tested for truth, and L. Cordain's guess is a thundering great failure, as you write.
Raw zero carb has also been tested, and it passes that test, meaning that it cures. I was cured! But that's just more words, for you.
Really, if you want to know the truth about what is paleo and what is not, you must use a bullshit filter on everything you read, and then test the resulting diet on your dog, cat, wife, enemy or whatever, and if the result is glowing health or cure, then try it on yourself.
This is the scientific method. It works. It is DIY.
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"Your link leads to a website promoting the drivel of L. Cordain, notorious troll."
I would say she is more someone that just wants to make money more than a troll. There are hundreds of similar health gurus prescribing similar diets.
"what paleolithic ancestors ate that resulted in the perfect health shown by their remains"
Archeologists and scientists are not all in complete agreement about the actual diet of ancient man, they are all just guesses and these guesses vary greatly. The only thing that they are in complete agreement on is that ancient man was an omnivore, meaning basically he ate anything that he could get his hands on.
"Raw zero carb has also been tested, and it passes that test, meaning that it cures. I was cured! But that's just more words, for you."
That may be true, I am not going to dispute that. If you got benefits from this diet then that's great. I have no desire to tell anyone what they should do or how they should eat. For me, I have no desire to shovel disgusting raw meat down my throat, but if it works for some people, okay. My only problem is when people start acting like Nazis and try to convince the world that everyone should eat tons of cooked eggs and meat, which will destroy the environment and poison the population at the same time.
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This is a reply to # 2,137,346I needed a cure, found it and reported so here.
Your message should be on a forum called "nocurezone".- Re: Response again to Fivetoedsloth natway
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This is a reply to # 2,137,359I'm glad you found something that worked for you too, but humans have no innate desire to eat raw flesh and guts like carnivore animals do. If we did, we'd all be snatching up roadkill. In mean put a bowl of fruit and a bowl of raw meat guts in front of an infant and see which one they choose.
A mostly plant-based high-carb/low-fat diet has healed most of my health problems and I think it's what humans are meant to eat. Our closet relatives in the wild, the Bonobo chimpanzees, eat mostly plant-based high-carb/low-fat too with fruit making up the bulk of their calories.
Those that run into problems on a plant-based diet are the one's who under-ate and ate too much fat.
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This is a reply to # 2,137,388In fact there was an actual study of what newborns most prefer to eat. And it was...
raw animal brains.
I agree that bloody meat is pretty gross. But I do like and crave raw fish, especially clams and other sushis. And many people do prefer steaks done rare/raw.
There are no rules that say one has to exclude the other. I love most fruits, raw clams and sushi, avocados, rare steaks, and lots of other variety.
Zero carb I do not think is sustainable in the long term for all but a tiny amount of people.
Ketogenic diets are proven to work for epilepsy and most of them are not doing it raw.
Also paleolithic people were most certainly not omnivores, that is one thing that everyone agrees with. Grains were not around then. Hence the term paleolithic diet which excludes grain and dairy in some versions.
It's a good discussion but the level of research here is very low from all parties involved.
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This is a reply to # 2,137,390Dr. McDougall debunked the Paleo diet claims:
The Paleo Diet Is Uncivilized (And Unhealthy and Untrue)
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2012nl/jun/paleo2.htm
And have a blast on a raw animal brains diet. I'll stick with high-carb/low-fat plant-based diet like Dr. McDougall recommends.- Sillyness fivetoedsloth
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This is a reply to # 2,137,410Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? That doesn't help your arguments.
I think recommending just eating raw meat and animal guts and pooping only every 5 days is sillyness as most people with common sense would.
You're diet is not sustainable. You won't be able to last very long on it. Eat more like a Bonobo.- Re: Sillyness saywhatagain
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This is a reply to # 2,137,424Apparently, yes anyone that doesn't agree with him is a troll he seems to make this accusation in every post. We are on a debate forum to debate the issues, honestly I care very little about the responses being posted here, it is all expected and all things I have heard before, but I think its good for others that have not heard these issues to hear what people have to say. Someone was saying that humans are not omnivores and then also accusing others of not doing their research. In fact that is the ONLY thing that all the experts are in agreement about that ancient humans absolutely were omnivores. True, they may not have eaten grains but even this is up for debate, I have read some research that says that they have found traces of grains in man from 20,000 years ago. In fact, the only reason humans would have started cultivating grains was because it was something that had already probably been part of their diet for quite some time.
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Haha, its hilarious to hear paleo people state that they can't have a bowel movement when they're eating "low carb". Well, hmmm, let's think about it...fiber is a carb, so low carb means low fiber.
But they brush it aside as a low toxic load and the body absorbing everything, so there is nothing to eliminate.
Others even state that you merely need more fat. This does nothing for the intestinal flora. You need carbs to feed and keep the flora healthy.
But Paleo can actually be a decent diet if done properly in my opinion. You just have to consume ample amounts of fruit to make up for the oil calories that you should not be consuming.
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