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tay19
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I was on antibiotics for over 2 years and never felt healthy after that. I never linked the antibiotics to my ill health and took another course of antibiotics for 1 month.
After this I lost 2 stone in weight and am now underweight. I began to experience lots of acid reflux , was diagnosed with a stoamch ulcer , gastritis and also H.pylori. Futher along I've developed malabsorption problems , joint pain , acne and many other problems. The H.pylori infection is now apparently clear and has been for the past month or so , I understand that it may take a while to feel back to normal but I definitely feel everything isn't covered and something is still wrong , especially considering I became so ill after taking antibiotics. A comprehensive stool analysis back in December found the following results.
* Zero growth of the benifical Lactobacillus species* + 3 Alpha Haemolytic Streptococcus* + 1 Coag. Negative StaphylococcusThese are two bacteria you wouldn't namely see in a healthy stool result.Streptococcus is known to ferment large amounts of lactic acid and can give a tendency to acidosis.The lack of benificial bacteria and readings of strepococcus lead to me to believe this is the reason I am stuggling with health problems. Cealic , chrons , colitis and all the other common digestive diseases have been ruled out and since I became ill after antibiotics this makes the most sense to me.Antibiotics have literally wiped out my natural gut flora and left room for this " bad bacteria " to flourish in my small intestine.I belive this is a form of SIBO and I may benefit ( unbeliveably ) from a course of specific antibiotics such as Rifaxamin or possibly a natural form of treatment although I've tried many natural supplements and diets and ended with very few or no results in the long run.Streptococcus in paticular as mentioned is known to cause acidosis which could explain the acid reflux , the stomach ulcer and gastritis and the stomach inflamation in general. The overgrowth of this bacteria and the lack of any Lactobacillus could explain the malabsorption and weight loss. An allergy to microbes could also explain the joint pain, acne , prostatitis and frequent urination I currently experience.Despite my research and determination to get to the root cause of my health problems it's very hard for me to find a doctor who can understand where I'm coming from. I plan to share all of my thoughts with my gastroenterolgoist the coming week but fear he may think I've lost the plot lol !.Has anyone here suffered with anything similar ?.Thank you in advance for any advice , comments or thoughts.
- Re: +3 Streptococcus and no growth o... TawandaTwin
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This is a reply to # 2,084,857I've been lucky to only need Antibiotics a few times in my life and always resulted in a yeast infection afterwards. (yuck!) Not sure why you would consider an Antibiotic to help a problem the Antibiotics caused. If you want to improve the organisms in your gut, why not take acidophillis tablets. This is how I cured my cronic and miserable heartburn. Like you, I tried the conventional route for over a year and got tired of popping pills (proton pump inhibitors) and getting exams. I was tested for h-pylori and also had an endoscopy. I started at 2 tablets of acidphillis 30 minutes before each meal and by the end of the month only really needed one dose per day. That was years ago. Now a days, when my heartburn acts up, I just eat some yogurt and it helps so much! Also, have you tried Kefir smoothy, it's in the dairy section of the supermarket, it has many strains of healthy bacteria and you can also experiment with kambucha tea. It's a tea that also contains some beneficial strains. The kambucha tea causes a lot of die off though. I can only drink a few ounces per day for like three days every few weeks.Advertisement
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- Re: +3 Streptococcus and no growth o... tay19
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This is a reply to # 2,084,971Thanks for the reply.
The problem I have with probiotics is that for some reason they generally make me feel much worse. I've read several articles which mention certain species of Lactobacillus can feed bad bacteria ( in particular Streptococcus ) so this worries me but not understand the Science behind it all becomes confusing also. It's hard to know when I'm helping myself or making matters worse.
I've thought about buying the expensive VSL probiotics numerous times but always decide against it not knowing if they would help me. The doctor who interpreted my stool results suggested my best course of action would be to eat a zero carb diet whilst using high dose vitamin c or certain gut only Antibiotics to starve out the bad guys but I've tried zero carb diets in the past and they only made me feel ten times worse.
I'm hoping to discuss all of this with my gastroenterology but I fear this may be even too much for him to take in. It's extremely confusing and very hard to find any information on this. I'm hoping he may perform a hydrogen breath test.
Everything seems so contradictory , it's like a bad horror movie !.
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- Re: +3 Streptococcus and no growth o... tay19
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This is a reply to # 2,085,012A quote which touches upon what I was talking about with probiotics.
" Probiotics are actually a mixed bag with SIBO because SIBO often involves an overgrowth of D-lactate-producing probiotic species, and that causes a buildup of D-lactate in the gut, and a lot of the symptoms associated with SIBO are caused by that. So, you want to avoid in many cases taking any probiotics that have D-lactate-forming species like Lactobacillus acidophilus, which is, of course, one of the most common probiotics that people take. There’s a D-lactate-free product sold by Custom Probiotics that’s helpful. ".
http://chriskresser.com/treating-sibo-cold-thermogenisis-and-when-to-take-pro...
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This is a reply to # 2,084,857
Hi tay,
Alpha Haemolytic Streptococcus ? >> Could you tell what kind of test did you do? I found that in my throat 3 years ago did not go with antibiotics then. it is said that can go to gut and....
The problem I have with probiotics is that for some reason they generally make me feel much worse. >> I would try the "start low and go slow approach". just to differentiate between dye-off or feed them
I've read several articles which mention certain species of Lactobacillus can feed bad bacteria ( in particular Streptococcus ) >> could you share the source? i also found that on several forums but not being able to source the info...i believe it has a point
I've thought about buying the expensive VSL probiotics numerous times but always decide against it not knowing if they would help me. >> i think its to early for VSL
The doctor who interpreted my stool results suggested my best course of action would be to eat a zero carb diet >> you know I'm not a big fan of zero carbs / i also had many problems because of that.
There’s a D-lactate-free product sold by Custom Probiotics that’s helpful. >> i guess i've write before. try also kirkman labs acidophilus hipoallergenic 3 bil per caps (affordable) or natren dairy free (expensive) . although i have also SIBO i was able to tolerate them with no side effects except dye-off.
I would try a natural antibiotics approach and same time with low and slow probiotics. did you think about introducing enzymes? maybe they can help...
arent cloves recommended for strep? or coconut oil? you might wanna search that? or even mashed garlic with meals
and yes...after so many antibiotics there a re a lot of chance of developing also yeast. antibitiotics distroyed my gut flora and made the protozoan infection go balistic.
- Re: +3 Streptococcus and no growth o... tay19
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Hi Dave , thanks for the reply as always !. Sorry for not getting back quickly, until i see my doctor I'm trying my best to avoid web searching for answers since it usually makes me feel somewhat hopeless and angry.
I had a digestive stool analysist performed by Genova Diagnostics. In regards to the source for probiotics sometimes feeding bad bacteria I can't seem to find anything specific anywhere but know like yourself I've read it a few times on various websties. Thanks for the link on the probiotics.
I was having a good think about what could possibly be causing my health problems last ngiht. It's a strange one that's for sure, I seem to have all the symptoms of H.pylori but the cause of SIBO and I'm now negative for H.pylori.
I'm wondering if it's possible that a bacteria such as streptococcus as found on my stool sample could be in the small bowel due to a lack of lactobacillus ( which is there in part to keep such bacteria from overgrowing ) after taking so many antibiotics and this in turn has caused inflammation , malabsoprtion and the various other symptoms I'm suffering from ?.
If this was the case surely lowering the population of Strep and the other bad bacteria present either with regular or natural antibiotics and they repopulating with beneficial bacteria should help ?. I am also deficient in vitamin D which could points towards absorption problems in the small bowel.I've tried high dose Allicin , matula herbal formula , mastic gum , zinc , manuka honey , various probiotics and many other products and supplements. This is what makes me tempted to try antibiotics , I feel like all these natural products just aren't cutting it.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,085,338For anyone who may be reading this topic now or sometime in the future this link may prove an interesting read. The member Cheshire77 seems to have been suffering from the same problem as me and a lot of what he talks about really rings true to me.
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1715862&s=1#i1
- Re: +3 Streptococcus and no growth o... dave505
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http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/040511p46.shtml
Hi tay,
Sorry for late feedback - here are my thoughts:
"I'm wondering if it's possible that a bacteria such as streptococcus as found on my stool sample could be in the small bowel due to a lack of lactobacillus ( which is there in part to keep such bacteria from overgrowing ) after taking so many antibiotics and this in turn has caused inflammation , malabsoprtion and the various other symptoms I'm suffering from ?"
-- i believe its possible . many times in SIBO translocation in other parts of GI is possible. Hpilory can (by reflux) be found even in the sinuses. one of CZ users reported E.coli in the nose (was tested)...I was tested and found Enterobacter in the throat...so its possible
"If this was the case surely lowering the population of Strep and the other bad bacteria present either with regular or natural antibiotics and they repopulating with beneficial bacteria should help ?. I am also deficient in vitamin D which could points towards absorption problems in the small bowel. -
yeah . the "protocol" should include antibiotic (i would choose natural one) but also D3 and B12 plus enhance digestion. I remember asking you about if you get help with enzymes "correcting nutrient deficiencies (particularly B12 and fat-soluble vitamins), and maximizing adequate digestion to avoid overfeeding the microbes are prime concerns for RDs working with clients with SIBO"
"I've tried high dose Allicin , matula herbal formula , mastic gum , zinc , manuka honey , various probiotics and many other products and supplements. This is what makes me tempted to try antibiotics , I feel like all these natural products just aren't cutting it."
IMO - "ive read somewhere :))))" mastic gum NOK for SIBO , manyka honey the same if your bacteria feed on carbs and you should look the label of the probiotics. Try the ones i have recommended and see if any difference. Kirkman labs is around 20 dollars. If you think a medium wage here is ~ 4-500 $ .....I had to buy them anyway...
I am more prone to that "methane-producing microbes are commonly associated with constipation." but was not able yet to find the other culprit exept Hpilory and Giardia and Candida. I feel there is another bacteria overgrowth there. But I cant have BM on my own...
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