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Hi Dr. Bakker,
I have found your discussions on this board informative.
I was wondering what your thoughts are on enemas as part of a anti-candida treatment. Have they been effective in your experience? Have they done more harm than good.
I have just recently started experimenting with a few different kinds: plain water, nystatin and one coffee enema. All of these I've done in conjunction with Psyllium/Bentonite/Capryloil shakes in hopes that I might flush some candida alongside whatever other benefits each individual enema might offer. My hope is that by flushing some out I might move faster through the die-off stage, which for me has now been since January and relentlessly heavy. So far I have not seen the strings that other people seem to find only small white or white-orange flakes. With the nystatin enemas, I have definitely found heavier die-off. With the coffee one, I found I experienced both a die-off dump but also a lightening of brain fog, followed several hours later by what felt like a moderate caffeine crash (perhaps I did absorb the caffeine).
Have you found enemas to be an effective means of removing a mass of candida?
Does it justify the possibility of flushing away also the good bacteria?
Might the benefits to my liver with a coffee enema outweigh an occasional burden on my adrenals?
Sasha.
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- Re: Enemas ericbakker
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This is a reply to # 2,063,909to be perfectly honest, I'm personally not a great believer in enemas or colonics to "flush" candida and think this is somewhat of a myth. In my book I've outlined a 7-day simple bowel purge which preceeds the candida diet approach, and you can do this purge even once per week on an on-going basis. The purge helps to clear the way for easier eliminations, and also assists in helping to remove a good intestinal yeast load. The problem being with enemas even more so than colonics is that they are only effective in teh colon, and if not performed correctly then their action is very much limited to the sigmoid colon (more common than you think).
Yes, some folks can pass spectacular amounts of bloom from their bowels, but again, this is a minority when compared to the many who never do. So, just because you don't pass copius amounts of white stuff, it doesn't mean your protocol is any less effective.
While enemas and colonics work for some, and are regularly used by quite a few on this forum, 90% of folks will not go for this kind of therapy, and I've discovered this after treating many thousands of patients with yeast infections over the years. It is brilliant recommending something, but if the uptake on your recommendation is only about ten percent at best, then it may be time to think of offering folks other solutions (yet still make the recommendation to do enemas for those who so desire).
Similarly, some folks swear by a vegan diet approach, but I can assure you, only a minority do and many (like me) feel absolutely lousy on it. I am all for "whatever works for you then great", but do not make the general recommendation anymore that enemas are "the way to go" for everybody with candida issues, and anyone who tells you that you cannot be "cured" of a yeast infection without them is simply incorrect in their assumption.
I prefer to recommend a simple bowel purge, but performed for 7 days, and you can easily achieve this with either a top quality Vitamin C powder or magnesium sulphate, or a product like Colozone.
A good bowel cleanse (when using a product as above along with bentonite clay, psyllium slippery elm, etc) will help cleanse the small and large intestine more effectively than an enema will by itself.
BTW, I've not found a coffee enema to have any negative effect on adrenal function.
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- Re: Enemas dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 2,064,026Dr,
I respectfully disagree with some of your points in your answer.
High enemas to treat an intestinal fungal overgrowth isn't a myth. In fact, according to the testimonies left in many patient forums, it has been the only possible way to come back to normal of many severe candidiasis cases.
First, Nystatin retention enemas are well documented in the literature written by pioneers MD about this syndrome. I guess you have read some of them or all. I have read all the literature available about CRC.
If you dig Curezone archive, you will find incredible stories of recovering after doing enemas to treat this syndrome.
I will give you the reasons why they are important and you can debate them with me if you like.
First, the small bowel is almost sterile by nature. It isn't the preferred place for microbial growth when body fluids and intestinal transit work well. As you know, HCL, bile, pancreatic enzymes, and sodium bicarbonate released by the pancreas keep it almost sterile. Candida species aren't an exception. They find an hostile environment in the small bowel. I dont mean it can not be affected by a fungus growth, but if we get it in the SB, we need to think about twice the amount in the lower intestinal part. However, the colon is a preferred place for microbial growth because it is there where putrefaction, decomposition, and fermentation take place. It is documented in the books written by Dr. Truss, Dr. Crook, etc that candida overgrowth occur mostly in the colon and the lower part of the small bowel.
Let think about the limitations of the current treatment.
Most, if not all, natural or Rx antifungals are absorbed by the intestines and go to the bloodstream. Those substances haven't impact on the fungal colonies living inside the intestinal lumen since there isn't blood irrigation reaching the lumen. Antifungal substance don't have any delivery mechanism to those areas. Another point is the length of the intestines. All substances taken orally will mix with decomposed food, dead flora, and fluid forming a fecal bowl in the way of intestinal transit. It is almost impossible to take an oral antifungal, in enough concentration, that has contact with the colon walls where the fungal colonies live and be still effective. Most of these yeast colonies live on the mucous layer that protect the intestinal walls.
As you see, oral therapies have many limitations in order to be effective against an infection living in the colon lumen.
It doesn't matter if the sufferer use a purge drink, bentonite clay, or any other form of cleanse, the most effective way to target fungus living in the colon is using the shorter route, specially doing retention enemas with an antifungal substance.
I am a candida sufferer (severe case) who have had the chance of testing almost all the known avenues to treat this syndrome. My response to high enemas plus Nystatin retention enemas have been the same documented in Curezone by other sufferers with severe cases.
Technically, it is impossible to remove dead tissues, fungal colonies (?) biofilms (?)or part of the infected mucous without using the water flow and retention enemas.
The most relevant reference is the speed of recovering people experience after doing this procedure. In fact, I see no way to recover if the colon isn't treated effectively.
Both way must be used to treat a severe intestinal candidiasis. High enemas can not reach the lower small bowel, then the infection should be treated using the oral and rectal way.
The fastest release and speed toward to recover is seen after doing retention enemas.
Jorge.- Re: Enemas ericbakker
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This is a reply to # 2,064,999Hi Jorge,
I enjoy your posts. You have many sage points that you make, and technically you are correct. There are many advantages using the route by way of the colon, but respectfully, whilst it is technically possibly the best route - clinically it will NOT be taken up by the large majority of those who need it the most. After having seen tens of thousands of patients in a clinical setting since I became a naturopath, I can tell you Jorge - most folks on average will simply NOT engage in this form of therapy. And, if they don't take up a therapy, regardless of its efficacy, it will be ... useless.
What works on paper or in the lab, will not necessarily work in the consulting room. And, although oral therapies may have their limitations, if the majority accept this therapy over retention enemas, I have to work with the oral route or lose my patient. I'd rather use oral therapies than no therapies. I have tried retention enemas myself many years ago and found them uncomfortable, laborious and not forthcoming of the results I had with Nystatin when taken orally. I know some patients who are seriously into auto-urine therapy, and seriously fantastic therapy, but even more a minority therapy than retention enemas. There are even auto-blood-doping therapies used now in some countries to boost immunity, and would involve daily blood extraction and injection, a therapy most probably taken up even less than urine therapy.
Take for example saunas, another treatment recommended by some as a "must do" for candida. I like them, but many folks I know just hate them, they dislike the excessive perspiration and the whole regime. Others are embarrassed. Again, poor uptake = poor clinical results.
Any effective yeast infection treatment that is suggested to a patient needs to be willingly taken up and regularly utilized by that patient. He or she has to be 100 percent willing and able to do it, and do it, and do it for as long as it takes - and then some. But even more so than treatment, he or she has to (more importantly) address the exciting and causative factors of their yeast infection.
Whenever a person develops an infection (regardless of its nature), I am particularly interested in knowing WHY they can't seem to shake it if it remains chronic, or is relapsing/remitting. What are the reasons? Is it a "lack of correct treatment" or is it a lack of sufficiently activated "vital force" on the part of the organism? Are the mechanisms which govern the organisms auto-recovery impaired, and if so - why? Unless there is a "hidden obstacle" which prevents full recovery, I'm starting to look more at the HPA axis, and the hypothalamus in particular. Isn't it funny when you come to think of it that 90 percent or more visits to the doctor are in fact stress related? Perhaps more attention needs to be focused on the organisms impaired recovery mechanisms (poor immune response) rather than the eradication of intestinal microbes. I've often said that you never win wars by fighting.
Killing is clearly not the answer in CRC, it's about harmony. Harmony comes from a true holistic and integrated approach, an approach I write about in great deal in my book. In my humble and personal opinion, it holds the KEY to recovery. And not just candida yeast infection recovery, but can help stave off most all diseases of modern civilization like diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Why? Because most all diseases and infections all share a common pathway - stress and imbalance, and faulty ways of living. After many years of treating patients, I can see why Ayurveda, traditional Chinese and Japanese medicine and most all Eastern healing arts have traditionally focused so much on "harmony" and HPA balancing, it is the intelligent approach and quite possibly the only one that has stood the very test of time, in case of Ayurveda, tens of thousands of years. Western medicine will no doubt fall in time soon, it is based on this "killing" approach, is shallow and focused on profits and greed. Like religion, it spreads fear and domination. Unfortunately, many folks on Cure Zone forums are falling for an allopathic approach to their yeast infection - "let's eradicate and kill this infection"
My apologies for this long-winded reply Jorge. It would be nice to chat with you one day, I am pleased you take the time to post your excellent replies on this forum. There are many folks who unlike you, prefer to read rather than write, and that's OK too.
- Re: Enemas jameskep37
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Seems like the hardest part to reach is the lowest region of the small intestine....right before the colon. I've done the enemas but realized that the enemas will not be very effective unless the lower small intestine is addressed as well. Reason being is that as soon as you flush out the colon the candida in the lower small bowel is ready at any given time to recolonize the colon. So in order for the enemas to be more effective the lower small bowel has to be addressed at the same time(provided that someone has a good amount of candida in the lower small bowel). Jorge is right most anti-fungals might not reach the lower small intestines/colon. So the quest can be to find anti-fungals that can go further into the intestines to reach the lower bowels. Maybe more seed powders, leafs etc.... So it seems the best approach might be to try to reach all areas of the bowel at the same time, but not always easy to do and may be different for each individual.
Agree. Colonics probably apply to only 10% or less. Colonics apply to those that are severly constipated with severe fungal canidda that is producing mass amounts of mucus. Colonics are much more effective than enemas for flushing mucus out of the colon. People often confuse candida colonies with mucus. They think all that white stuff is candida when actually a lot of it is really mucus. Fungal candida can produce a lot of mucus because of their destructive enzymes they produce that irritates the intestinal lining. Not to mention a lot of harsh anti-fungals can produce mucus.
"Killing" candida seems to only work for those that have minor candida conditions. They might be able to handle the minor die-off. But for people that have more serious conditions the die-off can become very toxic and overwhelming. Its just mind blowing how toxic someone can feel due to cell membrane leakage from candida. Whereas, if the beneficial flora die-off you might just get some bloating. Diflucan made me feel like a anxious walking zombie with my head blown up like a watermelon.
- Re: Enemas dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 2,065,196Dr,
I shared information with two Naturopath Drs who were members of the Candida Yahoo Group I used to post in the past. Honestly, I have many debates with them about topics linked to candida, but I find you more prepared and documented than both of them.
Yes, I agree Chronic Candidisis have immunologic roots. The good new is most of the time this immunologic fail is acquired.
This makes possible to correct the problem in order to recover .
In my view, in "normal" people the immunologic fail is linked to an acquired immune tolerance to the presence of candida antigen for long time, heavy metal toxicity, specially mercury, and adrenal extenuation caused by a improper life style that include diet, chronic stress, excessive work, lack of rest, etc. One time the infection is established, the battle becomes harder since the organism have many resources to increase the already depressed immune system.
The situation can also be a combination of these factors where triggers such as antibiotics, antiacids, etc make possible to develop this syndrome.
Jorge.- Re: Enemas ericbakker
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This is a reply to # 2,065,308Good point Jorge, btw, my name is Eric.
I've had some good success in seemingly "impossible" candida cases by helping the patient to significantly improve their HPA axis. I believe that chronic candida patient (like AF patients and thyroid patients) get this way through their mode of living to a large degree, and it is only by them having an insight into their aetiology (lifestyle primarily) along with the necessary changes that a permanent resolution can come about. You are all too aware of quantum physics and mind/body therapies. Any yeast infection treatment protocols excluding this area, and chiefly having a focus on "the gut" and ways to eradicate unfriendlies is futile as I mentioned previously.
Experiments conducted by Hans Selye in the 1930's yielded a remarkeable insight into "stress" and the organisms recovery mechanism. The patients who I see to be the ones who lack a powerful recovery mechanism as I have previously mentioned, are the fastidious, perfectionist and extremist patients.
I agree Jorge, candidiasis is a syndrome which has multifactorial origins, and only an intelligent approach aimed at addressing these root causes (drugs, lifestyle, stresses, emotional causes, toxins/h.metals, etc), which can be totally individual on a case-per-case basis, will allow the clinician to get the results.- Re: Enemas approximatelyme
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This is a reply to # 2,065,334Thanks for your feedback doctor. My apologies for my tardy reply.
So, just to be clear, you tend not to recommend the enema route more because patients tend not to take them up than their efficacy?
Also, when I do a round of enemas (usually three to get things cleaned out), I usually experience some pretty bad die-off symptoms afterwards. Am I correct in assuming that this is more an effect of moving toxins around in my colon than actually causing huge amounts of candida death?
What are your thoughts on the effect regular enemas might have on the beneficial bacteria in the colon?
Thanks again.- Re: Enemas ericbakker
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This is a reply to # 2,065,872I don't think enemas are necessarily a "bad" idea anymore than saunas, it is my experience they offer temporary benefit. When used as part of a holistic treatment program, they certainly offer some symptomatic benefits. Enemas only effect a very small part of a person's GI tract and are often touted as "life changing" by the folks who do this kind of therapy. I tend to hear this term a lot more from those who go on fasting or juicing regimes, which tend to positively affect the entire digestive system and are much more easily taken up by a large majority of folks.
You are correct, an enema will certainly have an effect on the beneficials, but I don't believe this to be as bad as some make out, the bowel quickly recovers in these situations. Enemas are good for those who believe they get benefit from them, and that's then most important thing for me. They will give even more benefit when the person starts to fully relax more and address the true causes of their yeast infection, instead of looking at one part of their anatomy which needs attention. If that makes any sense!
- Some tangential questions approximatelyme
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This is a reply to # 2,066,185Absolutely. Thanks again for your response. It's interesting that you mention juice fasting as this is something I just started a few days ago, hoping to reduce the load on my digestive system.
I have, however, noticed a fairly dramatic increase in die-off and also a thickening of my oral thrush (which had been covering about half my tongue without much movement for several weeks). I'm trying to determine the cause of this.
Could this be from juicing (greens, jalepenos, green peppers, celery, onions etc. Nothing that's not on any anti-candida diet)? My suspicion would be that the candida is being starved out and more susceptible to my antifungals, and therefore more are dying. However, the thrush thickened so much in a day. By juicing, and therefore consuming much more of these vegetables than I normally, am I increasing the sugar that candida has access to?
Another thought is that by no longer eating a daily plateful of brussels or rutabaga, because I'm juicing, I've removed the thing that was keeping my oral thrush in check.
A couple other possibilities, I had a couple test bites of my first batch of sauerkraut the other day (it had only been sitting about 4 days and so couldn't have been ready). I experienced some-die off from this, which isn't entirely unexpected. However, the next morning is when I woke up with the increase in thrush and heavier die-off with my antifungals. This could be a coincidence. I'm not sure.
In your experience have you ever seen sauerkraut worsen someone's symptoms? If so, what might the reason for this be? Is it the yeast in it? Or might it be something else? The only thinking I have is that there might also be a SIBO problem. However, but for the fact that I experience die-off as antifungals travel through my small intestine, I don't believe I have much in the way of SIBO symptoms.
Lastly, though the increase in die-off/thrush has only been the last couple days, I have been smoking some for maybe the past two weeks (some cigarettes, some pipe tobacco). The pipe is mostly not inhaled. The weather had finally turned in Manitoba and it was nice to have a smoke on a sunbaked balcony! But perhaps this was my big mistake--that this increased my pancreas's insulin output (or something like that... as far as I understand how that works).
Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I don't want to repeat any mistakes, but neither do I want to assume that I've made a mistake when perhaps I haven't (except for the smoking... I really should not have taken that up again).
Cheers!
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This is a reply to # 2,066,205One further possibility I thought of, is that the die-off is perceptual, that because there is less fibre moving through my system there is less to carry toxins away, so in fact there might not be as much more candida death as it seems. Further, that this excess of toxins creates an environment for thrush to expand. Just a thought.
- Re: Some tangential questions ericbakker
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This is a reply to # 2,066,212You will find that the sauerkraut will certainly help stimulate a greater sense of die-off if it is not quite "ripe", with experience you will be able to ascertain the ripeness by the smell. Try some pancreatic enzymes, I think they are what you are looking for. There is a good one made by Douglas Labs called Pan-Ox 5. Take a few with your bigger meals, watch what happens.
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- Re: Enemas dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,066,185Really good insights dr.Bakker!
I like very much your "logical / causal" approach ... And also the "getting back body harmony" rather than just destroying bad guys...
Re- enemas and psyllium shakes - I'm one who cant get results from psyllium shakes - I feel it produces some mucus and more and totally block me even drinking a lot of water. the same with slippery elm - more harm than good. Same with DE and bentonite and flaxseed...Guess its depending on the other bad guys I have inside...
I've tried like 3 colon cleanse products based on magnesium but i hardly was able to stand them even half the dose. I became blunt, blank mind, very low blood pressure feel like drain cant breath awfull feeling and... no results...
Would vitC powder do the trick in my case? Are there any case when you are not adive to use it that much?
Im also interested in your opinion about probiotics enema. would they help?
I would use colonics just to cleanse the colon - but no such things as really good practititoners here - East Europe even the equipment is ok the technique is not.
Thank you
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- Re: Enemas mimij67
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This is a reply to # 2,065,196I really appreciate this. Classically trained Chinese Medicine doctors that specialize in GI related disorders have a tremendous track record of restoring balance in the body so that the body is strong enough to manage the yeast and other microbes! My Chinese Medicine doctor treats very difficult GI cases of SIBO and other that did not respond to antibiotic therapy, and severe candida and parasites that did not respond to conventional therapy. The body is smart and sometimes the slash and burn is not the best approach!
- Re: Enemas mimij67
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This is a reply to # 2,173,955I should be more specific and say that I appreciated Dr. Bakker's point about there being a "vital force" issue here. Chinese medicine strengthens all the organ systems so that digestion is restored on all levels, tissues are healed, and the body can successfully cotrol the microbial enviroment. They also look closely at the emotiional state of the patient throughout tx as it is so linked to gut health and to the chinese organ systems. Chinese Medicine has completely changed my life!
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