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so are you suggesting that your lips are healed and cured now? how do you know if you havent stopped the treatment yet that ec will return after a few days? can you just give us one big post of everything you have done and also give us some nice big pictures of your lips during ec and also how they look now etc etc. i think off memory you said your ec started at the top triangular part so this would be great for people like me and vunk whose ec started the same way! thanks heaps!!! lookforward to it!
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This is a reply to # 1,997,928What I am suggesting is inflammation in intestines may be triggering fibroblasts to lips. If the inflammation is eliminated (gluten-free diet or whatever can eliminate the cause of inflammation in intestines= a GI doctor may know). In the future, an alternative to gluten-free diet for celiac disease may be to decrease fibroblasts. I suppose that would be done with a pill, which one may need to take on an ongoing basis- I am not sure. It seems that once the inflammation is eliminated from intestines, then the intestines will no longer trigger fibroblasts to lips. The pill could probably work for any condition causing inflammation in the intestines.
I also think pressing down on lips may trigger increased fibroblasts in lips. This treatment might permanently heal the lips if one stops pressing lips together or biting lips. Right now, I do not know if the cause of increased fibroblasts in my case is due to pressing lips together or inflammation in intestines from celiac disease.
I believe allergies may also trigger increased fibroblasts.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,953hey longterm im not really in the know of this fibroblast theory. so what your saying is inflammation is causing lots of fibroblast to the lip aera which is causing all our crusting/hard skin? is that what your saying? and youv put these strips on your lips which stop the amount of fibroblast to the lips? whihc casues them to heal normally? i agree with you also about your post earlier i think once we know whats causing ec and how to fix it the treatment will return the lips back to normal fast.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,964I think inflammation in intestines signals the lips to produce fibroblasts that cause EC. I think increased fibroblasts signaled from lip pressing or biting causes EC. I believe the strips decrease fibroblasts (actually it is a fact that silicone gel strips decrease fibroblasts). Once the fibroblasts are decreased, I believe the lips heal normally. I believe increased fibroblasts interfere with normal collagen production.
Oh, you need to use the Iodine Potassium drops with the strips because I do not think the strips can get as deep in tissue as the drops. But once the lips heal, the drops do not reach as deep into the tissue since the skin closed/healed up and it cannot reach as deep.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,971so you think its most likely the scar strips that have casued your lips to go back to normal. is that correct? once you stop useing the strips though will the fibroblast increase again and casue lips to go back to ec?
also when you put the strip on at the start did the skin peel off when y ou removed it.
i would be interested in trying the stips at night and just applying a good moisturizer during the day.
but what are the Iodine drops for can you explain that or do you think its mainly the strip that have worked. also did you peel your lips and then place the strips.
can you upload some nice big pictures of your lips during ec and also how they are now.
your ec started by just the trainagular part peeling and coming white in contact wiht water thats the same way mine and vunks started.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,972JSL,
I don't think he can explain Iodine drops any more than their name. They're Iodine drops haha. And like he said just a post ago, he thinks the Iodine drops were crucial because they penetrated deeper into the skin.
Anyways I think this theory is great, I've been doing some research on Fibroblasts.
JSL,
If your just using aloe Vera right now you should try this treatment.
I'm calling my derm tomorrow to discuss it and plan on doing it if this Bionect doesn't work or perhaps before that, depending on what my derm days.- Re: longterm! jsl123
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This is a reply to # 1,997,975yeah im very interested in getting the strips. it sounds promising. and i meat what is the purpose of the drops as in scientifically what do they do? are they used for skin regeneration or wound healing or strengthen skin etc etc...
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This is a reply to # 1,997,978also do you reckon we could just use the gel rather then the strips i would pressume so?- Re: longterm! Healing2021
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This is a reply to # 1,997,979No I'm not doubting the gel. I'm only a week and a half in, but I wanted to call my derm to talk about it, so I figured I would discuss this Fibroblast theory.- Re: longterm! longterm
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This is a reply to # 1,997,984By the way, do not get silicone gel that is like an ointment because it is easier to apply. Studies have shown it not be as effective as the silicone gel strips.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,972I posted a photo of my EC hardened lips in another post The photo was small since I created a screenshot of the lips on face. I did not document the healing process with photos, but it is not a long process if you want to try it. Your lower lip might look funny for the first week because you get brown Iodine stain marks where you have buildup. But once the buildup smooths out or is eliminated with treatment, the Iodine no longer leave stain lines on lower lip.
The Iodine Potassium drops are just as important as the silicone scar strips since the drops are able to penetrate deeper into tissue to shrink fordyce spots than the silicone scar strips. Both work together to heal the lips. I suggest to apply the drops with a Q-tip so your fingers do not get stained. After the lips are healed, it is possible that only the silicone scar strips are needed to maintain results if inflammation in intestines or allergies are the cause.
The Iodine Potassium drops also decrease fibroblasts, in addition to killing nay infection within seconds. It certainly can get rid of any infection in fordyce spots or clean exposed fordyce spots before they shrink.
I started using the strips after I peeled my lips.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,981if your a women or underage please dont read this posts!
so let me get this straight!
you peeled your lips one night then applied the strips covering the lips at night while you sleep.
then in the morning you eat your breakfast brush your teeth have a shower then apply 2 drops of iodone on both your top and bottom lip. and thats it. and you did this for 1 week.
and then you stopped useing the drops and just apply the strips at night now.
do you apply a moisturizer during the day now??? or is it like you have 100% normal lips. can you shower with your lips not turing white? drink a glass of water? smile with no weird pain or feeling? you have no peeling at all?
etc etc its still early days so we dont really know if your lips will start peeling but i got my fingers crossed for you bro.
This might sound suss but in regards to you and healing and vunks theory of lips getting ec becasue of rubbing and al that kind of stuff. dont you think heaps of girls would get ec from giving guys head? ha i mean when they do there lips gets so much friction from the moving and all that kind of stuff. i mean if a chick gives her bf head 3 times a week thats alot of rubbing and friction for the lips to take especially if they do it for long period like 30 minutes or something. im not trying to be gross or anything at all im dead set serious!
i say this becasue you guys reckon licking and rubbing the lips together and all that friction and stuff casues trauma to the lips. well i know chicks that absoulely casue huge friction to their lips while giving head.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,991As far as the sex question, I am thinking some people are more sensitive to this- like African Americans (who have more melanocyte stimulating hormone) or people with allergies (who have more immunoglobins in blood) are more prone to getting keloids (similar to this lip condition with role of fibroblasts). I do not know if we need to be more careful with our lips so we do not use as much pressure. Just so you know, most girls prefer gentle kissing instead of rough kissing. Maybe some females do not have allergies and can do more rough kissing. I really do not know.
I apply enough drops on Q-tip to spread over my upper and lower lip after I eat breakfast and after dinner.
No, my lips no longer get white when in contact with water. During the first week, there is faint white but it is not gooey as usual. This is the old skin that needs to exfoliate little by little each day before the lip is smooth or normal again.
I do not need to wear moisturizer because my lips feel smooth during the day. My lips were a little dry the first week when exfoliating old buildup or forming flakes on raw skin on upper lip, but they got smooth after they were healed. At first I thought the Iodine drops were aggravating my lips, but it is just part of the healing process. Now, it feels like the Iodine drops have no effect on my lip or do not make them dry. I am still applying the drops since Healing wants me to.
I have no white, no pain, no numb, and no peeling. You just need to remember your lips will gently exfoliate the old buildup during the first week.- Re: longterm! jsl123
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This is a reply to # 1,997,997so your still doing the treatment fully. as in applying the drops in the morning and also applying the silocone strips. how long have you been doing this and how long did it take for your lips to go back to normal as in you can walk out and go out in public etc etc and how long do you plan on doing the treatment before you stop?
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This is a reply to # 1,997,999and can you explain what the Iodine drops actually do as in what are they for? do they heal skin or something????
anyways im off for the day got to go do my shopping have a good day guys and lets hope one day the cure comes!- Re: longterm! Healing2021
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This is a reply to # 1,998,001JSL,
Come on man, you keep asking the same questions.
He just said that the Iodine drops also help decrease Fibroblasts as well as works as an anti-septic.
I dont wanna sound like an a**ho**, but your kinda just asking the same questions over and over. I understand you wanna get everything straight, but if you just read his posts he explains everything pretty clearly. - Re: longterm! longterm
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This is a reply to # 1,998,001There is a difference between Iodine and Iodine potassium. Remember, it is the Iodine potassium drops, not the plain iodine drops. Studies have shown iodine potassium to decrease fibroblasts.
It seemed like the iodine potassium drops penetrated deep enough into raw skin or fordyce spots to shrink them. After my lips healed, it seemed like the silicone from strips gets more into surface tissue since it presses down (lightly of course) on lips.
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This is a reply to # 1,997,999If anyone tries this treatment, it is best to let the old buildup naturally exfoliate without rubbing it off. It will exfoliate in little flakes during the first week until it is gone, then no more buildup will come back- at least if you have the problem of increased fibroblasts. I hope it works for others. Good luck with whatever you try.
I will continue the treatment until my blood tests show no inflammation in intestines from celiac disease even though lip pressing could also be my cause. After lips are smooth, the Iodine color blends in with lip color so it is unnoticeable.- Re: my last advice Healing2021
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This is a reply to # 1,998,107Longterm,
Just let us know if anything changes. Or if you decide to stop the treatment. - Re: CHANGE TO TREATMENT longterm
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This is a reply to # 1,998,107Update: The Iodine potassium drops should only be used on a short-term basis since using it for months can cause hypo or hyper thyroidism. I only felt like I needed to use the Iodine potassium drops during the first week to shrink the fordyce spots so it is no problem for me to stop now. I guess the Iodine potassium drops are known for treating inflammatory conditions. I will report back later when I receive more information.
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