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NH.is.Scientific
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Hi everyone. Here I am at the end of Day 9 and I'm afraid that it's another boring report. Just kidding because I'm damn glad that I'm not seriously suffering. When necessary, we know it's for the best but if I can reach my goal without discovering a lot of left over baggage then why not?
First I'll get the vitals out of the way:
Weight: 117 lbs -1 from Day 8 (or 4 lbs over 2 days)
BP,bpm: It depends on which side I take it on. So the right arm tells me 128/76, 44 whereas the left arm says 112/67, 47 so take your pick. Most days, both arms are fairly close!
Water intake: 2 litres +/-
Tongue: still partially covered
BMs: Nothing since day 1
My wife is also suffering from the sinus congestion that I reported yesterday so I figure that is environmental instead of a detox symptom.
This turned out to be another busy day but I did get a 2 hour sleep in the am and 1 hours rest in the early evening.
I've notice a string of swollen lymph glands (IMO) running from just inside the left hip bone to the pubic area and then down and into the left thigh. The right side of the body is just smooth. When I lift anything with some weight, I feel distinct discomfort on the left side which has plagued me in the past but I had forgotten about it.
What I have been surprised by is the incredibly supportive attitude of my family and friends after the initial upsets. I think they've been worried about me for more than a year due to my thinness and, even though sceptical about the fasting idea, they accept that I have to do something to get back to a healthy size.
Best regards to you all,
NH...
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit thinker2012
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This is a reply to # 1,921,786117 sounds like a good weight.
How tall are you?
Jasmuheen is the only other faster who i ever heard of who does not have bms.
Jasmuheen says she sometimes has small bms.
I would presume because she has dry and water fasted 10 or more years and has nothing to eliminte except average pollution from environment.
or if nh theory is right, Water Fasting stops all catabolic action then all is just at a stasis.
whatever the mechanics, it is interesting, thanks for posting your progress.
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- Re: md with lymph bumps at tennis thinker2012
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
in my case while fasting ..the lymph bumps were excess protien deposits that went away as the excess protein left my system.some people are so overclogged with protien the lymph is full of rubbery hard or soft protien deposits. if these excess protien folks eat protien the lymph dumps the excess protien on skin as a pimple or growths, that's what lymphomas-bumps on/under skin are-this md at tennis is covered with lymphomas-protein lumps on his arms and legs- he said he's a big meat eater-turkey-and a breyers ice cream addict-he microwaves a big bowl of breyers ice cream daily- i believed him as it-the turkey and ice cream -were evident and made 100 lymphoma 1 inch lumps all over his arms and legs-many mds are stupid. skin tags, tumours, pimples etc on skin are excess protein carried out, pushed out skin by lymph.
most asians are slender
most americans are congested
i do not believe usa optimal weight charts are correct at all
to tell what is going on inside with people, thier diet for the last 7 years is what is going on inside them- Re: md with lymph bumps at tennis NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,921,818Well said, thinker2012.
I can't imagine microwaving ice cream in the first place but thinking about how that would congeal all the fat in the mixture is pretty disgusting. Apparently being a doctor doesn't require having an advanced survival instinct!
NH...
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,921,811thinker2012,
What do you mean, IF NH is right? Of course, it's right! Well, I'm convinced. :-)
BMs require peristalsis and that is activated by the continual secession of meals. Once you stop eating, any other activity will be down to the body's need to immediately eliminate something from the bowels so yes, being fairly non-toxic probably makes a big difference.
In my reading from many of the long-experienced fasting supervisors/hygienic doctors, BMs do tend to cease altogether and start again within 3 days after the first meal.
I'm 5'10" but although rakishly thin, I've got a ways to go before reaching skeletal.
Thanks for following my progress,
NH...Advertisement
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
- Re: Day 9 completed edit #109563
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This is a reply to # 1,921,915bpm around 44-47?
when I fasted my bpm was crazy, maybe over 80 to 90 for sure.- Re: Day 9 completed edit - high bpm ... NH.is.Scientific
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Yes, you had a really tough time of it during your water fast. It's not surprising that your bpm was high with it. How have you got on since then? Have you looked into how to improve your diet in such a way that slow detox can take effect and help you prepare for a Water Fast down the road?
NH...- Re: Day 9 completed edit - high bpm ... #109563
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This is a reply to # 1,922,061Hi, NH!
I am thinking of doing another water fast. Right now I do juices, salads, bee pollen, however, last week got off track. Planning to do another Water Fast next month. Next week will start juice fast again with a lot of superfood to prepare.- Re: Day 9 completed edit - high bpm ... NH.is.Scientific
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Great news! I look forward to seeing your progress and hope that it proves much easier for you than last time.
What superfoods are you planning to include?
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit - high bpm ... NH.is.Scientific
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Fair enough. I agree with the adage that I heard somewhere "If it has a list of ingredients, then it isn't food" However, too many people swear by supplements for me to continuously argue against them so I will say to each their own.
This post from Waiting4theDay //www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1456101
emphasizes my point that supplements disturb the body but being optimists, we tend to think that it's because it's doing us good.
What I will say is that I'm fairly sure that taking supplements is less harmful to us than eating animal products and any improvement in your diet lifestyle will bring benefits.
Yours truly,
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit - high bpm ... #109563
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This is a reply to # 1,922,910Hi, HN!
I should have clarified, that Dr Schulze is not a regular MD, he is an herbalist, with its own Incurable program to treat incurable diseases. His Superfood formula consists only of powdered herbs, like spirulina, chlorella, lemon and orange peels, rose hips, alfa alfa, etc, with yeast base. I wouldn't take anything else which is not plant based.
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit thinker2012
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117, 5'10 is slender, depending on your bone structure, long fine bones, large heavy bones, small boned etc. I am 117, 5'6 with long thin fine bones that do not like to carry excess weight at all. I do not think about weight 'norms', i look at how i feel, my energy levels, my physical comfort levels in my own body, no aches or pains, good skin color tone texture, good hair and nail growth, clear eyes.
I read a longevity interview with a 107 year old healthy chinese man who gave his advice on longevity. The 107 year old man was very slender, he ate very light, 2 staple foods, his advice on long healthy life was:
' Keep a quiet heart, sit like a tortoise, walk sprightly like a pigeon and sleep like a dog. '
I am still trying to figure out how sit like a tortoise :)The interviewer had interviewed many healthy 100 to 120 plus year olds and noted they all had this in common:
Belief in God, spirit, personal relationship with God
Belief in immortality
They all wore rose colored glasses, had good optimistic perspectives.
I have to mentally prepare myself for water fasting. It is interesting to read your posts on water fasting. Thank you.- Re: ' Keep a quiet heart, sit like a... chirontherainbowbridge
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Edit--too funny. The subject line gets cut off, and pigeon looks like pig. Well, they do trot and tiptoe in a lighthearted way, if given the chance. :-(
:-) very sage. enjoyed that. esp. the mental image of the sprightly walking. I see a red-legged bird, (knobby knees, like a person with loose tights) with a bit of a high step up front> but NOT military.
By contrast--too many people think (or even aspire) to sleep like a log!!! Dogs are relaxed, they have to take it as it comes, yet always micro-twitching, ready to wake--and since they have historically been kept to keep guard, that's good food for thought...
About the tortoise. If you get a chance to see them up close (sadly, I've seen them in a zoo, the ancient ones that look like sacred stones)you will note that they appear to live to "be not moved". I'm pretty sure this dictum refers to meditation, such that the wafting scent of a nearby food would have no effect; one is that released from the senses. For lots of us, the attempt to meditate is met with sleep--this is a sign that we are deeply deprived of true rest, and sorely in need of it. (And that includes rest from the enormous burdens that food puts on the system; largely because we are so ignorant about what and how much we really truly need.
You know, "man does not live by bread alone..." and all that.
One of the biggest "secrets" 'out there' imv, is this:
All the good, and happiness in the world comes from giving to others--all the unhappiness - and sickness, etc. etc.- comes from giving to oneself. )
Keep a quiet heart: that's priceless. Unperturbed by wanting anything one does not have, and NOT wanting something one does have. I think you have covered it.
Best, Chiron- Keep a quiet heart sit like a tortoi... thinker2012
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I like this blogger, peter the pranarian. Whenever I fast, I find his blog insightful helpful and interesting to read
his latest blog entry is about his return to europe after a trip to india
his observations and insights on fasting are refreshing and funny
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- Re: Day 9 completed edit NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,922,228thinker2012,
Thanks for that very interesting post. Perhaps sitting like a turtle is just a way of saying "Don't sit!" :-)
A maxim of Natural Hygiene is that simple meals are best. As long as what you eat meets the body's nutrition requirements without adding toxins, the skies the limit.
NH...
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Hi NH,
Congrats on your progress thus far... pretty smooth overall it seems :).
Regarding the swollen Lymph glands have you been doing anything to keep the lymphs moving? I always make a point of (and would recommend to anybody) doing a couple minutes of gentle trampolining 2 or more times throughout the day (as gentle as necessary, even if it means keeping your toes from leaving the canvass).
I too believe that fasting will ultimately help you to gain weight by enhancing your body's ability to assimilate nutrients. Funny thing fasting. It can help us to accomplish whatever we want including the ultimate gain or loss of weight.
All the best to you. Did i once read that you are intending to stop at 10 days? Seems you are drinking only to thirst and this thirst has been demanding about 2 liters per day on average? Hard to even imagine going dry for any period of time when this is the case but out of curiousity do you have any interest in the possibility of engaging in any dry segments? When i first became interested in this, i started out doing about 15-20 hours per day and then drinking to thirst (about 1.5 litre usually) in the remaining window. Overall i must say i believe it was a positive development : ).
- Re: Day 9 completed thinker2012
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Hi Sun Tzu
From what I have seen, only the pranarians dry fast. I study many of them that are public. Once you get to that level, it is a metaphysical practice, an inner spiritual subjective knowing, imo, it is no longer a group support issue, you either know what you are doing and you do it, or you don't know what your doing and you don't do it.
I dry fasted by accident many times, became so preoccupied with life I forgot to eat or drink, with zero ill effects, so i know it can be done.
To do it consciously, for me, involves more understanding.
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Hi Mighty.Sun.Tzu.
Thanks for the reply. Other than being very active with chores and such, I've not engaged in anything other than walking. I'm sticking with Shelton, et al on this one and trying to do the minimum exertion possible. I also don't have a trampoline to hand. I could jog up and down the garden to get a similar effect but for my first fast of this length, I think I'll see where going without gets me.
My aim was to reach at least 10 days and hopefully go the distance to 21. If it were possible, I'd hang in until return of hunger but my window of opportunity won't allow that.
And as for dry fasting, once again I'm sticking with the more orthodox Water Fasting as has been proven over more than a century. I hear people like yourself praising the benefits but I also hear people praising the consumption of herbs, supplements and urine, much of which has been proven to be detrimental to health. When I see the Science that underpins dry-fasting, I might be swayed towards it. I often go searching to find what's available but have yet to find anything.
Despite my answers, I truly appreciate all of your advice and hope that you will always feel free to offer it.
Best regards,
NH...- Re: Day 9 completed chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,922,498NH..., I don't have a trampoline either--and back when I tried the rebounder, I didn't like the feel of it. Sort of rigid, even though it was supposedly a very good one.
What I do like however, and it's low-tech and virtually available to all! is dry skin brushing. It's a superb way to move lymph... and all that good stuff. I got quite enough exercise otherwise, just doing the daily chores, and making food for my comapanion, on my two longish water fasts.
(29 and 21 days)
It's always a case of checking in with the 'doctor within',
though, isn't it--in the end.
best,
Chiron
- Re: Day 9 completed NH.is.Scientific
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Chiron,
Skin brushing I've yet to try although it's quite popular in alternative circles. It's another practice that leaves me wondering where it originated. Perhaps when we were hairier primitives, the social grooming sessions or other forms of socialising naturally included the hair brushing effect but otherwise, is it something that we actually need for normal health?
Another item on my list to be researched. :-)
Regards,
NH...
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