Kefir or sauerkraut? 
Bugsy193
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I've tried both and am trying to decide on which is better for keeping the gut healthy. Both are homemade, the kefir is from good kefir grains that reproduce like crazy, and the sauerkraut was homemade. Anybody else have any experience or opinions on both?- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? UserX
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,839,259For years I've seen people talk about kefir. I always dismiss it, it seems like a non food that would be similar to watery yogurt. Am I wrong? Is it good? Are probiotics so much more assembleable in kefir vs. other food and supplements? I don't trust myself to make any fermented food. I am a little paranoid about food being fresh...I know I have issues there...
- Calling on GrzBear High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,839,264I know that both are excellent foods for probiotics and if memory serves me well, GrzBear makes both of these foods.
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Re: Calling on GrzBear UserX
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,839,274He sells them? It would be good to know what is right before an attempt I guess. But, unless there's something extraordinary I'd rather eat something I like...I used Standard Process before, probably will again. I was in my 30's when I last had a problem, I just have adrenal problems now. I'm 54 seems like most of us are in our 50's.
WTF happened to us? Anyway...its all good (Dylan says)
- Re: Calling on GrzBear Bugsy193
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This is a reply to # 1,839,282Doc, if you're interested in making your own kefir here are two good links:
The Kefir Lady sells top quality live kefir grains to get you started.
http://www.kefirlady.com/
And Dom's kefir site will tell you EVERYTHING you could ever want to know about kefir.
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
- Re: Calling on GrzBear UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,839,284It doesn't sound very good. I think I'd rather have raw milk or something. I can see how it is really good for people though. just not for me. I constantly throw out perfectly good food in everyone's opinion, I am better off picking stuff from a garden, I couldn't kill an animal if my life depended on it, though I've considered it, a fish maybe...
- Re: Calling on GrzBear UserX
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- Re: Calling on GrzBear Bugsy193
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? Bugsy193
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This is a reply to # 1,839,264Homemade kefir is just like watery yogurt with a tang to it. It seems very stable and tough, haven't had any wild yeast contamination problems or anything. As long as you keep it's jar clean and feed them fresh milk they are happy. The only problem I might have with kefir is the small amount of lactose that doesn't get fermented by the kefir grains, seems like when I drink kefir I can feel the lactose (whatever's left) getting fermented inside me. So maybe it's time to try making sauerkraut again.
Don't be afraid to make kefir or saurkraut, just follow good instructions and keep things clean. It's a million times better than the crap they sell in stores.
- Calling on GrzBear High on Water
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,839,259Try both, one at a time... and then both daily... decide... and then stick with the one *your* body prefers.
I have a friend who prefers sauerkraut... I tend to lean towards kefir.
BTW - to allay any fears... if you use a high quality raw milk,and a trusted source for kefir grains, you should never have any issue with it.
I have drank raw goat milk kefir made with two week old, raw milk, sat at room temperature for over three days (I forgot about that batch), and then stored for over two months with no ill effects.
People knew what they were doing before refrigeration... they had to in order to survive.
YMMV - I am pretty tough when it comes to stuff like that after years of this.
grz-
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? Bugsy193
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This is a reply to # 1,839,326I've been making kefir for awhile now and made sauerkraut once, I think it's time again to find some cabbage and make another batch. If I can find any organic cabbage I'll be lucky, doesn't seem to be a big seller around here.
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,839,364Just keep in mind you can use some yogurt (Acidophilus) starters to conrol flavor of Sauerkraut and Pickles for that matter.
http://www.artatwork.ca/fermentingvessels/first-recipe.htm
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One more thing, don't skip the good salt part. Most critters need REEs to replicate and Salt is about the only way to get that today...or maybe a piece of Seaweed would work as well...
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT Newport
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,839,326Hmm, if you put Kefir into raw milk do you get just Kefir or a combo of Yogurt and Kefir?
Raw milk left alone will turn into yogurt it only needs a starter if you want to direct the flavor of the yogurt.
Does Kefir in raw milk do just that?
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Certainly would explain why Kefir tests so badly if made with pasteurized milk. See Breaking the Vicious Cycle for its failure: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,839,368I have no preference either way what people choose - I choose many things at various times including Kim Chi, and even home cultured sourdoughs on occasion - though I tend to limit grains in my diet... people should eat *something* along these lines on a daily basis that is home cultured\fermented.
Even water kefir, kombucha, homemade vinegars, wines and beers - unpasteurized and unfiltered of course... whatever they prefer.
Sourdoughs greatly reduce gluten content... gluten content in grains is increased greatly due to the use of nitrogen fertilizers so there is a hint for you... on what good bacteria can do for you - and how *nitrogen* use in food production has caused disease..
Kim Chi, Sauerkraut, kefir, homemade sourdough breads... taking into account their ancestral origins would likely be a good idea as that food, would likely be their best bet.
Most cultures that did not have much, or any dairy used cabbages of some sort... those that were grain based the sourdoughs... most all of them had beer or wines of some sort... also loaded with beneficial bacteria and nutrients - that is... before bleaching, distillation, filtering, pasteurization, irradiation, etc. took hold in the industries.
>>"Hmm, if you put Kefir into raw milk do you get just Kefir or a combo of Yogurt and Kefir?"<<
You can get a thick yogurt like constancy or soft cheese if you let it go and separate the whey out of it - which you can drink for its benefits too.
NOTE: this homemade stuff is NOT going to be like the junk you buy in the grocery store, with the coloring, gelling and thickener crap they include in the ingredients, so do not expect it to turn out that way.
grz-
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,839,368y'all are making me hungry, still not for kefir, but pickles. I have Claussen, are they bad for you??
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,839,430You have to watch those grocery-store pickles' labels. A lot of them have high-fructose corn syrup. bad bad bad
However, I think Claussen has less of it than other brands. (Yeah, I love claussen, too - but have been searching for a healthier brand)....
We should search the 'net - eh?
WE WANT A HEALTHY CRISP RAW PICKLE!!!
(I like "bread & butter" pickles!)- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,839,437Since they are refrigerated they must be better, yumm, probably not though. I can see me buying cucumbers and salt maybe, lol. Wonder how that would work...fermentation happens a lot in my fridge, lol just unsupervised...
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,839,439"fermentation happens a lot in my fridge, lol just unsupervised..."
LOL! I hear ya, there! lololol That's funny.
It's funny you mentioned the cukes. I just bought two of those myself, just today! (Along with a bag of apples). I thin-sliced the cukes and put them into the juice from the emptied bread and butter pickle jar from which my family finished off. Yum - I eat them by themselves.
I do like kombucha tea, and still have some in my downstairs fridge - (some of them exploded in there, as they continued to ferment)...but it's good...I like it. I cheated, though. I didn't make it; I bought it. hee hee
Here lately, however, I've just taken up with eating raw again - I keep trying. I'm actually on day three, and managed to stay 100% successful (sans the very little amount of pickle juice I had today). Tomorrow I start the three-day Edgar Cayce apple diet. You can "eat as many as you want" per day, but at least 5 or 6 a day, and plenty of water and rest. Then, on the third day, you have 2 or 3 tsp of cold-pressed olive oil at bedtime.
Cayce said it's good for one to do a few times a year, or several times a year - I imagine it's Cayce's version of cleansing the gallbladder and liver.
That will mean 6 days in of 100% raw so I hope to continue. Time will prove that out. The longer one can go with a good thing, the longer one can stay committed. My gut needs it.
The cool part is that if I need a "change", my kombucha tea is also raw...AND fermented. It's all good.
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,839,486Sounds like you are doing great!! I need to do a raw diet for a while. I kid around but my diet is pretty clean.
For when I juice 100% I bought an excalibur dehydrator. I LOVE IT! I make raw protein bars using the rest of the carrots, apples, celery and cucumber from juicing. You can't do that if you are resting your digestive tract, but I am not. I mix it with nut butters and protein powder, Then dehydrate it a while, Good stuff!
You are inspiring me, I need to fast!- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,839,493Yeah, my last fast was two years ago...I think...(maybe 3 now).
I literally lasted 12 hours short of 40 days. I kid you not. I went into the dry heaves, though - and so, I took in some OJ...lol.
I remember reading from two different authors that one only needs to do a fast that long ONCE in their life...so, YAY!
I'm DONE! lololol
I could do with a shorter one, but I'd rather have a buddy to do it with. Ya know?
Oh, in keeping with the thread, I love kefir.
Sauerkraut? Not so much - lol. (But it's sure great in the help your "eliminations" department!)- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,839,499I always forget to sign in unless I'm posting, I just pm'd you back. Sauerkraut is one of those things I've never tried. I like other fermented foods though. I would be considered "done" by that author's standards too, lol, but I think he's wrong, unfortunately. I know I'd probably benefit from more fasting. And more sleeping, which I should get around to soon here (:
- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - Bugsy193
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This is a reply to # 1,839,499That's one thing I almost forgot about with sauerkraut, a little goes a long way. One time I ate a big bowl of Bubbie's sauerkraut and I was in the bathroom within thirty minutes. From now on only small servings, just enough to fit in a Martini glass.
Speaking of Martini glasses I've been on The Drinking Man's Diet (minus the alcohol) for around ten days now. Not sure if it was a great idea to go low-carb AND stop drinking alcohol at the same time. I had a nice case of low-carb flu and alcohol detox at the same time. But I'm feeling better now.
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - High on Water
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT High on Water
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- Re: Kefir or sauerkraut? - EDIT grzbear
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